Has Sheen's lost the team ?

[innsaneink]

This is one of the best examples of illogical thinking that I have ever seen. It is simply factually inaccurate.

You can believe it if you want to but it is horse-shit.

East to say.
Try and back it up with some 'facts'

Another troll post from the king of trolls

 

[Tiger05]

East to say.
Try and back it up with some 'facts'

Another troll post from the king of trolls

Facts:-

1. Folkes was never the head coach.
2. Folkes was the strength and conditioning coach.
3. Folkes has gone to St George as the strength and conditioning coach. They have gone backwards.
4. Folkes replaced Cherry Mescia who went to the Roosters. The Roosters beat us that year to make the finals. Subjectively you could state they were the fitter team.

Anyone can make up complete stories to state how great Folkes was as a conditioning coach however those facts are far from clear cut. Anyway stating that he coached us is simply telling stories which will never be able to be backed up with facts.

I think the Folkes story is one of the biggest trolls I have ever heard.

Another one is Steven Seagel stating that he taught some top level fighters special techniques.

In both cases I think that the Folkes supporters and Seagel actually believe their bullshit but anyone with half a brain can see and smell the stinking horse-shit that is dribbling out of their mouths.

Now I would have no problems if Folkes got the Wests Tigers coaching job but we don't need new fantasy novels to be written to explain how good he is. If he was that good he would be coaching first grade right now and would have been for a number of years.

 

[macnaz]

Not sure which way to go on this debate except to say id like Sheens gone and preferably a replacement who has not been tanted in anyway by the Sheenius .
I mentioned Matt Parish earlier as he is the closest link to Des Hassler available because currently he is Geoff Toovey's assistant coach who is a clone of Des and its showing on the field with Manly in a good position to defend their Title.

 

[Matchball]

Sheens might not have lost his team but he has lost the fans.
Change is needed.

 

[macnaz]

Sheens might not have lost his team but he has lost the fans.
Change is needed.

Come on matchball ..we arent fans .. we are SO CALLED fans , there is a difference :roll:

 

[Ron's_Mate]

East to say.
Try and back it up with some 'facts'

Another troll post from the king of trolls

Tiger05 is the Bunniesman of the Tigers forum.

 

[Front-Rower]

The dragons have the third best defence in the comp with only 280 put past them. A good defending team is a sign of how good their physical and mental fitness is IMO. A lack in scoring points is a sign of poor options from the on field leaders or poor game plans.

 

[macnaz]

East to say.
Try and back it up with some 'facts'

Another troll post from the king of trolls

In fairness Ink i think he trys to contribute with his mixed oppinions rather than just troll. Regardless of whether we agree with them or not.

 

[Tiger05]

Facts:-

1. Folkes was never the head coach.
2. Folkes was the strength and conditioning coach.
3. Folkes has gone to St George as the strength and conditioning coach. They have gone backwards.
4. Folkes replaced Cherry Mescia who went to the Roosters. The Roosters beat us that year to make the finals. Subjectively you could state they were the fitter team.

Anyone can make up complete stories to state how great Folkes was as a conditioning coach however those facts are far from clear cut. Anyway stating that he coached us is simply telling stories which will never be able to be backed up with facts.

I think the Folkes story is one of the biggest trolls I have ever heard.

Another one is Steven Seagel stating that he taught some top level fighters special techniques.

In both cases I think that the Folkes supporters and Seagel actually believe their bullshit but anyone with half a brain can see and smell the stinking horse-shit that is dribbling out of their mouths.

Now I would have no problems if Folkes got the Wests Tigers coaching job but we don't need new fantasy novels to be written to explain how good he is. If he was that good he would be coaching first grade right now and would have been for a number of years.

Its hard to notice that there are no factual comments to refute my POV.

Trolls.

 

[madunit]

okie dokie.
1. He doesn't need to be head coach to make a difference.
2. Correct. Strength and conditioning are vital to effective defences.
3. Dragons defence is still rock solid. He's doing a similar role at Dragons as he did at Tigers, which would mean that he does have a positive impact. Durther more, Sheens has always coached attack oriented football. Bennett and Price are opposites.
4. The result of one game doesn't prove 2 seasons of improvement under Folkes incorrect.

 

[Dogs Of War]

As a Dogs supporter, Folkes was a pretty good coach. Just got that forward pack moving forward, and kept it simple in the backs. I think Benji would work well with that sort of setup. You only have to look at Folkes record, in the 11years he coached, he made the finals 7 times. 2 grand finals appearances with the one win (1998 and 2004). Given the right assistant to complement him (ie someone to work with the backs), and him getting a good fitness coach in to ensure the guys are able to put in for 80mins, I don't think you could go too wrong.

 

[madunit]

Do you think Folkes' position at the Tigers in 2010 & 2011 played a role in why the Tigers made the finals both times (for the first time since the GF in 2005) and why we are now languishing?

 

[Tiger05]

Do you think Folkes' position at the Tigers in 2010 & 2011 played a role in why the Tigers made the finals both times (for the first time since the GF in 2005) and why we are now languishing?

No. The facts are obviously against this POV.

A strength and conditioning coach will not have anywhere near the impact on a team that the head coach will. That is a factual statement. Folkes would agree with this as well and if offered a head coaching would jump on it. If he was given that opportunity at the Tigers then we could judge his performance. At the moment though all we have is unsubstantiated ignorant illogical BS regarding Folkes contribution to those years.

You can try and spin this every which way you want however you are wrong.

 

[innsaneink]

Youre a f**kn muppet 05
Folkes was basically looked upon as a 3rd coach at his time with us, Sheens himself saying so.....we have a bloke with 11 years NRL coaching experience- a premiership in that time- made the finals 7 times. 2 grand finals appearances with the one win (1998 and 2004). That sort of experience is invaluable

“Steve is the man I wanted,” Sheens said.
“There is plenty of great talent and skilful players at Wests Tigers and with Steve now here, it will take our High Performance Program to a new level.”

 

[innsaneink]

Facts:-

1. Folkes was never the head coach.

Thanks capt obvious....no ones debating that. :roll:

2. Folkes was the strength and conditioning coach.

As above

3. Folkes has gone to St George as the strength and conditioning coach. They have gone backwards.

They also have a new head coach after losing a coach with the experience on a par with Sheens, when he came to WTs the coaching position had been stable for the past seven years.

4. Folkes replaced Cherry Mescia who went to the Roosters. The Roosters beat us that year to make the finals. Subjectively you could state they were the fitter team.

Dont stretch that bow too long. :roll:
An intercept in GP in one semi, and losing a GF qualifier by a field goal....yep, right, they were clearly fitter than us as they went one week further in '10

Anyone can make up complete stories to state how great Folkes was as a conditioning coach however those facts are far from clear cut.

Yep, you said it - and continue to say it....however some stating it could be more than just a mere coincidence we performed better while he was here than at any other time could hardly be accused of stretching a long bow.

Anyway stating that he coached us is simply telling stories which will never be able to be backed up with facts.

I think the Folkes story is one of the biggest trolls I have ever heard.

Another one is Steven Seagel stating that he taught some top level fighters special techniques.

In both cases I think that the Folkes supporters and Seagel actually believe their bullshit but anyone with half a brain can see and smell the stinking horse-shit that is dribbling out of their mouths.

Now I would have no problems if Folkes got the Wests Tigers coaching job but we don't need new fantasy novels to be written to explain how good he is. If he was that good he would be coaching first grade right now and would have been for a number of years.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :sleeper:

 

[leoc]

I agree 100%, Folkes was the difference.
He should be made head coach tomorrow and let him make the changes that he wants in order to build a premiership winning team.
We've grossly under achieved since the 05 premiership.
Can't believe we've only played in two finals series since and very doubtful that we will this year either

 

[R2Coupe]

The fact Folkes was at WTs reflects Sheens' ability to recognise the strengths in individuals (no pun intended).

If Folkes' contribution was so great as suggested by some of the groupies on this forum, would it not be unreasonable to believe he should now be coaching another NRL team? For example, why not at the Bulldogs instead of Hasler?

 

[Front-Rower]

The fact Folkes was at WTs reflects Sheens' ability to recognise the strengths in individuals (no pun intended).

If Folkes' contribution was so great as suggested by some of the groupies on this forum, would it not be unreasonable to believe he should now be coaching another NRL team? For example, why not at the Bulldogs instead of Hasler?

Why would Canterbury take him back? He did all could for that club in his time there and like any manager/coach/CEO became stale in the environment and got moved on.

His time at WTs showed us that our first outside influence since Sheen's himself rejunivated the playing roster and installed some belief into them along with having them as fit as they had ever been.

Folkes bought the forwards up to a level where they were respected by the opposition. The improvement in Galloway, Gibbs and development of Dwyer and Woods was incredible in 2010 and 2011. Now we can't tackle a good feed up the middle. It's no co incidence it had to do with Folkes. Look at St. George, they have the third best defence in the comp. even though they are so far down the ladder.