Hasler to coach in 2018

[Qdf]

The correct answer is "not many"
This old chestnut keeps getting trotted out every so often and is as false today as it was when first raised.

Players that went to the Knights -
B.Scott,N.Costigan,Smith,McKinnon, Boyd,Cuthbertson.
They're the players I remember.

 

[BennyV]

@BennyV is pretty good at busting this myth.

Lol thanks BTN!

*casually cracks knuckles*

Not may ???
Beau Scott
Neville Costigan
Darius Boyd - w'ell fogive that one as its his shadow
Alex Mackinnon
Adam Cuthbertson
Jeremy Smith - (im pretty sure)

I think that's a few and the forwards were pretty much all of our mongrel at the time.

LOL!
Beau Scott - told by Dragons that he wouldn't be offered a contract near what he's worth and was welcomed to look elsewhere. Only then did Bennett offer him a contract.
Neville Costigan - signed for Newcastle for 2011, the year before Bennett went there.
Darius Boyd - as you said, was never going to stay longer than Bennet.
Alex Mackinnon - LOL, was only ever a fringe first grader here, and wanted to go home to the Hunter.
Adam Cutherberson - LOL, would be lucky to be considered a fringe first grade here.
Jeremy Smith - left us to go to Cronulla after 2010, THEN went to Newcastle in 2013.

So Bennett 'ripping our team apart' if taking a couple of reserve graders and Boyd (who was never going to stay anyway? Bitch please!!!
Bennett didnt tear us apart, our own management did with their inability to see past the end of their nose, unless there's a paycheque there!

 

[ALSGI]

Lol thanks BTN!

*casually cracks knuckles*


LOL!
Beau Scott - told by Dragons that he wouldn't be offered a contract near what he's worth and was welcomed to look elsewhere. Only then did Bennett offer him a contract.
Neville Costigan - signed for Newcastle for 2011, the year before Bennett went there.
Darius Boyd - as you said, was never going to stay longer than Bennet.
Alex Mackinnon - LOL, was only ever a fringe first grader here, and wanted to go home to the Hunter.
Adam Cutherberson - LOL, would be lucky to be considered a fringe first grade here.
Jeremy Smith - left us to go to Cronulla after 2010, THEN went to Newcastle in 2013.

So Bennett 'ripping our team apart' if taking a couple of reserve graders and Boyd (who was never going to stay anyway? Bitch please!!!
Bennett didnt tear us apart, our own management did with their inability to see past the end of their nose, unless there's a paycheque there!

BennyV
Heard the bitch slaps from here !!! Lol
I'll never forgive Bennett for endorsing Price because Price is the reason our genius Board justified Mary.
So for me Bennett was short term gain for long term pain.

 

[Old Timer]

Thanks Benny saved me the trouble.

 

[possm]

BennyV
Heard the bitch slaps from here !!! Lol
I'll never forgive Bennett for endorsing Price because Price is the reason our genius Board justified Mary.
So for me Bennett was short term gain for long term pain.

Bennet was asked to take on Price and Mary as assistants. Mary was a no go and Price was Bennett's challenge. Bennett asked for a 5 year term however, Doust insisted on a 3 year term, so I imagine this was a task to great for Bennett.

To win the Dragons a premiership in 3 years and at the same time train a dill like Price to be an NRL coach was just impossible. So it appears Bennet won the Dragons a Grand Final but could not come close to turning Price the dill into an NRL coach.

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

Bennett certainly had his pants pulled down.

 

[ALSGI]

Bennet was asked to take on Price and Mary as assistants. Mary was a no go and Price was Bennett's challenge. Bennett asked for a 5 year term however, Doust insisted on a 3 year term, so I imagine this was a task to great for Bennett.

To win the Dragons a premiership in 3 years and at the same time train a dill like Price to be an NRL coach was just impossible. So it appears Bennet won the Dragons a Grand Final but could not come close to turning Price the dill into an NRL coach.

Possm
...and the rest is long suffering, living history..

 

[BennyV]

I think we need to get a better understanding re coaches
Far too often names are put up and then the process of praising some and rumours of them coming to us start and meanwhile others are picked apart and people questioned / harangued for even considering some of them.
First and foremost it is obvious the recruitment of coaches from within has been poor and had disastrous outcomes.
Second there appears to be a propensity for that to be continued which is no doubt un-pallatable to the fans and probably some of the players.
So all of that needs to be avoided.
There are only so many coaches in then NRL ranks and many of those are totally reliant on a great squad to get any sort of result.
Others have good / great squads and can do little with them which is probably player attitude not aptitude related so that puts a cloud above those coaches.
The available pool therefore is really quite small and keenly contested and too be honest not many of the great coaches are willing to take too many risks at a club without a great management culture and playing roster.
St GI is lacking in both those areas so we have little to attract anyone of great note.
Bennett in many ways came to fulfil his own ego, to see if he could do it outside of his Bronco's ever reliable system.
So it is more than likely that we will have to take on a coach who has limited 1st grade NRL exposure but it is totally essential that that coach is steeped in knowledge from working within and for clubs with great systems.
It would also be beneficial if that coach had great player relationships and discipline.
Kevin Walters IMO fits those requirement, so should not be discounted.
Many here believe we will hook a big fish coach and there are plenty of rumours suggesting that, all of which I am sceptical about.
For mine Smith too old, Sheens too old, ESL coaches maybe ok but if they were really that good wouldn't they already be here?
IMO KW would be a great upgrade on what we have and would certainly break the link between players for our club ascending to coaching without proper apprenticeships.
We should therefore analyse the coaches who don't have current contracts short list them and stop waiting for maybe's from the existing NRL coaching ranks.

So your criteria is working in great systems and steeped in knowledge, with a bonus being if they have 'great player relationships' and discipline?

Nothing about the ability to actually coach rugby league? To analyse a group of men, identify their strengths and weaknesses, and come up with a game plan to utilise the former and strengthen the latter? To adapt strategy in order to counter what the opposition throws at you? To drill these structures and strategies into players through best-practice training methods?

Yes, there's limited options, but they are out there. Hell, Walters might be a viable option, but there's no actual proof that he would be (and being better than Mary isn't exactly a benchmark - I am sitting on a chair, at a computer, next to a coffee mug, and all 3 inanimate objects would be better options than Mary!).

If it were up to me, I'd be looking hard at Tony Smith or Shaun Wane; both have adapted their styles over the years as ESL and worked very well with the squads they have. Smith in particular lifted all teams he took over and has won a number of titles with them.

If it had to be someone inexperienced, it would be Demetriou out Garth Brennan. Brennan has worked wonders over the years with Penrith's juniors and has assisted plenty of coaches. And the way Demetriou continued to adapt and work with the skills of the teams he is given is proof enough that he is as near to being ready to coach NRL as anyone.

This is all assuming Cleary and Hasler are out of the picture. I wouldnt' give a second thought to B.Smith or Sheens, both have been out of the game and Sheens seemed to be losing touch and ability to adapt late in his NRL career too.

Anyone else who's been mentioned would be far too much of a risk.

 

[St Georgio]

So your criteria is working in great systems and steeped in knowledge, with a bonus being if they have 'great player relationships' and discipline?

Nothing about the ability to actually coach rugby league? To analyse a group of men, identify their strengths and weaknesses, and come up with a game plan to utilise the former and strengthen the latter? To adapt strategy in order to counter what the opposition throws at you? To drill these structures and strategies into players through best-practice training methods?

Yes, there's limited options, but they are out there. Hell, Walters might be a viable option, but there's no actual proof that he would be (and being better than Mary isn't exactly a benchmark - I am sitting on a chair, at a computer, next to a coffee mug, and all 3 inanimate objects would be better options than Mary!).

If it were up to me, I'd be looking hard at Tony Smith or Shaun Wane; both have adapted their styles over the years as ESL and worked very well with the squads they have. Smith in particular lifted all teams he took over and has won a number of titles with them.

If it had to be someone inexperienced, it would be Demetriou out Garth Brennan. Brennan has worked wonders over the years with Penrith's juniors and has assisted plenty of coaches. And the way Demetriou continued to adapt and work with the skills of the teams he is given is proof enough that he is as near to being ready to coach NRL as anyone.

This is all assuming Cleary and Hasler are out of the picture. I wouldnt' give a second thought to B.Smith or Sheens, both have been out of the game and Sheens seemed to be losing touch and ability to adapt late in his NRL career too.

Anyone else who's been mentioned would be far too much of a risk.

I have seen 5 years of crap, I could handle another 2 years under Brian Smith anyday of week!

 

[possm]

I have seen 5 years of crap, I could handle another 2 years under Brian Smith anyday of week!

I'm confident he would knock the squad into shape leading the Dragons to be very competitive for many years to come.

 

[ALSGI]

If McDipshit is 'not required' at some point Hornby and Young will be chomping at the bit. Dad heading the 'old boy' department will be salivating.
Imagine Son at Coach, Dad at CEO, happy days NOT !!!!

 

[Coffs dragon]

I have seen 5 years of crap, I could handle another 2 years under Brian Smith anyday of week!

Will never happen...too much bad blood between Brian Smith & Craig Young. Smith replaced Albert and shifted him right out of the club, much like Bennett did with Mary McDipshit when he took over. Those blokes saw the damage in advance and acted.
Seeing Albert & Doust are buddies, I could never ever see a return of Brian Smith as this would probably affect Dean Youngs aspirations to be Head coach. The old boys club rule and will remain that way until a revolution occurs.

 

[St Georgio]

Will never happen...too much bad blood between Brian Smith & Craig Young. Smith replaced Albert and shifted him right out of the club, much like Bennett did with Mary McDipshit when he took over. Those blokes saw the damage in advance and acted.
Seeing Albert & Doust are buddies, I could never ever see a return of Brian Smith as this would probably affect Dean Youngs aspirations to be Head coach. The old boys club rule and will remain that way until a revolution occurs.

Albert, Doust and Deano should head off to St Helens and return after Smithy has done his busines 2022!

 

[Coffs dragon]

Albert, Doust and Deano should head off to St Helens and return after Smithy has done his busines 2022!

St Georgia...now your talking!!!!

 

[Old Timer]

Benny you need to slow down a bit
As my post pointed out there are very limited options
If we try to deal with the facts as best we know them
1 Hasler says he is trying to finalise a deal at the Dogs
2 Cleary reportedly already knocked us back
3 JD went to Brisbane as we saw no benefit it getting him to honour his existing contract
4 T Smith has already stated not interested
5 B Smith & Sheens have been out of the NRL system for some years and are ageing men if a bygone era
If these are in any way true who do you have left to choose from?
On that basis I suggested Walters should not therefore be discounted
Part of the reason we get Price, Mc Gregor, Hornby, Young & Co is because we've got our head stuck in the sand and want people who are not readily available and poo haa any reasonable suggestion in respect of the next tier down
So on the basis of what I have said having some relevancy why get so agitated about Walters
He has some upside compared to what we are doing right now and are you suggesting he had had no input re coaching in what he had done to date?
The guy in the Panthers system would be on a hiding to nothing coming to us as he could easily be set up to fail so the status could be returned
Why would he leave a great structure to join what has been a cesspool of nepotism
At least with Walters who has a high profile there would be a chance to get some positive change
He exhibits all the signs of being knowledgeable and tough and if any outsider coaching at StGI doesn't gave that in spades he is doomed before he starts
I unlike you am not willing to discount Walters and for all we know he may not be interested either.

 

[Qdf]

Benny you need to slow down a bit
As my post pointed out there are very limited options
If we try to deal with the facts as best we know them
1 Hasler says he is trying to finalise a deal at the Dogs
2 Cleary reportedly already knocked us back
3 JD went to Brisbane as we saw no benefit it getting him to honour his existing contract
4 T Smith has already stated not interested
5 B Smith & Sheens have been out of the NRL system for some years and are ageing men if a bygone era
If these are in any way true who do you have left to choose from?
On that basis I suggested Walters should not therefore be discounted
Part of the reason we get Price, Mc Gregor, Hornby, Young & Co is because we've got our head stuck in the sand and want people who are not readily available and poo haa any reasonable suggestion in respect of the next tier down
So on the basis of what I have said having some relevancy why get so agitated about Walters
He has some upside compared to what we are doing right now and are you suggesting he had had no input re coaching in what he had done to date?
The guy in the Panthers system would be on a hiding to nothing coming to us as he could easily be set up to fail so the status could be returned
Why would he leave a great structure to join what has been a cesspool of nepotism
At least with Walters who has a high profile there would be a chance to get some positive change
He exhibits all the signs of being knowledgeable and tough and if any outsider coaching at StGI doesn't gave that in spades he is doomed before he starts
I unlike you am not willing to discount Walters and for all we know he may not be interested either.

It maybe Walters or Hasler, but either one will need to dictate their own staff.
This is a must, they will need to be in control of the footy team.
Sweeping away all remnants of McGregor, Hornby, & both C&D Young.

 

[deansykes]

Kevin Walters coached Catalan Dragons for two years in 2009-2010... achieving a win rate of 37%. He went on to coach Queensland - a team of superstars who i reckon even McNugget could coach to success.

Barely a strong candidate.

I bet he gets the job.

 

[St Georgio]

Kevin Walters coached Catalan Dragons for two years in 2009-2010... achieving a win rate of 37%. He went on to coach Queensland - a team of superstars who i reckon even McNugget could coach to success.

Barely a strong candidate.

I bet he gets the job.

You know I truly feel uncomfortable with him, Brian Smith doesn't run onto the field, his job is to be a master tactician from the sidelines, the notion of being to old is absolutely ridiculous, he is my 1st choice by far, if cant get Hasler or Cleary!

 

[Old Timer]

Kevin Walters coached Catalan Dragons for two years in 2009-2010... achieving a win rate of 37%. He went on to coach Queensland - a team of superstars who i reckon even McNugget could coach to success.

Barely a strong candidate.

I bet he gets the job.

Catalan Dragons a misfit club in France playing ESL with a bunch of no hopers, bad boys & pensioners many ex NRL hardly a strong club.
At least Walters went there very early on and experienced life away from the NRL and the Broncos..
How many great coaches has Catalans had and what success did they achieve as a comparison?
Who do you think should be the coaches to be looked at on the basis of what was posted earlier is substantially correct?
All well and good for people to say no but what is the real and viable alternative?

 

[ALSGI]

Benny you need to slow down a bit
As my post pointed out there are very limited options
If we try to deal with the facts as best we know them
1 Hasler says he is trying to finalise a deal at the Dogs
2 Cleary reportedly already knocked us back
3 JD went to Brisbane as we saw no benefit it getting him to honour his existing contract
4 T Smith has already stated not interested
5 B Smith & Sheens have been out of the NRL system for some years and are ageing men if a bygone era
If these are in any way true who do you have left to choose from?
On that basis I suggested Walters should not therefore be discounted
Part of the reason we get Price, Mc Gregor, Hornby, Young & Co is because we've got our head stuck in the sand and want people who are not readily available and poo haa any reasonable suggestion in respect of the next tier down
So on the basis of what I have said having some relevancy why get so agitated about Walters
He has some upside compared to what we are doing right now and are you suggesting he had had no input re coaching in what he had done to date?
The guy in the Panthers system would be on a hiding to nothing coming to us as he could easily be set up to fail so the status could be returned
Why would he leave a great structure to join what has been a cesspool of nepotism
At least with Walters who has a high profile there would be a chance to get some positive change
He exhibits all the signs of being knowledgeable and tough and if any outsider coaching at StGI doesn't gave that in spades he is doomed before he starts
I unlike you am not willing to discount Walters and for all we know he may not be interested either.

All good points by everyone. Can we stop talking about Hasler, Walters and anyone else until there is some solid leads. We all agree McIdiot should not be here.