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lingard

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No he didn't!! We made the finals 3 times in the 4 years after he left. We also had good depth in the following years - Think we won a few NSW cup GF plus we also made an under 20's GF. This is all because Smith and his brains trust had a "whole" club approach.

So was Hagan / Anderson responsible for building our squad / depth in 2007-2009 ? Or was it some forward planning?

Then Hagan took over and didn't really look after the juniors pathway followed by another 2 years of Anderson. Then everyone was amazed that in 2011 Kearney (yeah he made mistakes but it wasn't all his fault) couldn't get a shit squad to the finals!!

The biggest f**k up (in my opinion) was not appointing Taylor instead on Hagan.

Interestingly Hagan / Anderson (moved on from both of his post NRL coaching jobs) has never had another NRL coaching gig after leaving us. Taylor is onto his second NRL coaching job, while Smith also had 2 other jobs (both with the task of rebuilding), he also made another GF.

The Knights made the finals after Smith left the club. And the year after smith left the Roosters they won the GF (and minor premiers a few times too). So it appears Smith does leave clubs in a pretty good shape (I agree he does choke in big games but).

I reckon Smith left the first grade squad a demoralised and unmotivated rabble. I think it is a testament to Hagan that he could get them to play at all. But that's just my opinion and doesn't really matter. I also think that if we had appointed Jason Taylor, he would have been sacked after a couple of years like all the others if he didn't magically turn the club's fortunes around in a short space of time. Like I said, I think there were multiple factors at play, and to try to blame a couple of players or coaches is silly. Whilst I never liked Brian Smith, I don't blame him soley for our downfall; he was just one of a number of factors that perpetuated each other.
 

Gary Gutful

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True Ivor. Smith was one of many factors.

The reality is that no coach could have done well post Smith with the board and administration as dysfunctional as it was. We needed to reach the depths of last year before we could properly rebuild.
 

Incorrect

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I reckon Smith left the first grade squad a demoralised and unmotivated rabble. I think it is a testament to Hagan that he could get them to play at all. But that's just my opinion and doesn't really matter. I also think that if we had appointed Jason Taylor, he would have been sacked after a couple of years like all the others if he didn't magically turn the club's fortunes around in a short space of time. Like I said, I think there were multiple factors at play, and to try to blame a couple of players or coaches is silly. Whilst I never liked Brian Smith, I don't blame him soley for our downfall; he was just one of a number of factors that perpetuated each other.

In the case of Brian Smith I think after the demoralising defeat V the Cowboys in the 05 Prelim, the players, probably sub-consciously, stopped buying what he was trying to sell them. Some of them by that stage had played under him for a while and had lost the 01 GF when they were hot faves. 4 years later and the Tigers knocked off the Dragons in a Prelim on the Saturday night and eveyone was saying, "Well this is Parra's premiership to lose now once they deal with the Cowboys".... we didn't even make it past the Cowboys hurdle.

2006 was a clusterf**k. Fitzy had already announced in the wake of the 05 Prelim disaster that Smith would not be retained as coach beyond 2006, a few early season losses set the tone and the group looked unhappy as a whole... Remember the look Hindmarsh gave Riddell that night at Parra Stadium V the Raiders??? Looked like he wanted to rip his head off. By then Smith might as well have been coaching the Philadelphia 76'ers in the NBA, he would have had the same impact...

The 05 Prelim defeat broke the camel's back.... Who knows? If we had beaten the Cows that year and gone on to beat the Tigers in the GF, Smith might still have been there to this day a la Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger....
 

Snoochies

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Speaking of Uncle Wayne

BRONCOS coach Wayne Bennett has launched a passionate defence of Jarryd Hayne, urging critics of the besieged Titans fullback to get off his back.

On the eve of the Cowboys-Broncos derby at Suncorp Stadium tomorrow night, Bennett hit out at media coverage of Hayne’s off-field issues and critics of the superstar’s attitude to training.

Hayne is under pressure to deliver against the Knights this Saturday following revelations he was kicked out of the Titans’ leadership group after arguing with senior teammates over disciplinary-related fines.

But Hayne today found an unlikely ally in Bennett, who claims the two-time Dally M Medallist should be judged solely by his on-field performances.

“Jarryd Hayne is one hell of a football player, that’s what he should be judged on,” Bennett said.

“At the end of the day, I’ve trained some of the best trainers in the world and they can’t play.

“I’ve trained other guys who hated training and were great players.

“Jarryd needs to be judged on what he’s done on the field. That’s what he’s there for, not (what he does) behind closed doors, whether he trains good or bad.

“That’s up to him and his coach (Neil Henry) to work out. It shouldn’t be national headlines.


“He has a unique talent and the unique ones are always more difficult to train, (but) they bring something that I could never coach and that Neil Henry can’t coach and other players can’t deliver.”

The veteran Broncos coach added he has coached generations of great players who may have been poor trainers, but always delivered in the heat of battle.

A classic example is Brisbane’s greatest centre Steve Renouf, a self-confessed poor trainer who still managed to score a club record 142 tries from 183 games and represent Queensland and Australia.

“I can name 50 of them (lazy trainer) for you, but you guys (the media) have gone to another level,” Bennett said.

“One of the issues is the intrusiveness of the media right now. Every club has issues with different players who don’t train great, OK?

“Most of them are your best players.

“You have got to a stage now with the media where I can’t believe what you guys are writing and what you go digging for.

“At the end of the day, what Jarryd Hayne does on the football field is the most important thing, what he does off the field with regards to his training that’s for the club to handle and it should be left there.

“It’s terribly unfair on the players, what he does on the football field is what you should be reporting on, not what he does off the field. That’s for the club to manage and for them to keep in-house.”

Bennett disputed suggestions today’s NRL stars are well-paid professionals compared to top-liners 30 years ago who juggled jobs with football.

“The levels of professionalism haven’t changed,” he said.

“I’ve coached them all back to the 1990s and early 2000s, the great guys weren’t all great trainers and some present players aren’t great trainers.

“In the past, the media never went down those paths. Our greatest players were not great trainers, they never made a headline because of that, they made a headline because of the way they played football.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/ti...e/news-story/368d6aa6a9c2167e77e02b13fbfa905e
 

Gary Gutful

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Wayne is ignoring all of the rumours about Hayne clashing with other players. If Renouf was a merkin who didn't get along with his team mates Wayne would have arseholed him...after that he probably would have sacked him.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Bull $hit
Smith was always planning for the future. He went thru eras at parra wherre he built a team then had to have a bad season and rebuild.
Hagan reaped the benefits in his first season. But started the rot.
2009 was worse thing that could happen. For half the season we stunk. After it we extended guys who where not first graders. Held onto moimoi to long, MK,smith,mortimer etc.....

SK walked into a disaster of a squad and a cap mess. And made it worse by trying to build a respectable team with has beens.
Hate or love him ricky made quick tough decision and recruited Norman.
And Peats
 

Poupou Escobar

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Nathan Peats thought he had a deal to stay at Parra too and he was forced out, that much we do know, so his playing contract in terms of contract length didn't really mean much.
Peats agreed to leave to help us get under the cap. He could've just refused to agree but he would've felt like he was letting his mates down.

Anyway he was off contract and didn't have an offer for 2017 so the writing was on the wall for him.
 
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