HIA Rule

[nick87]

I told it as I saw it. Most people watching seemed to miss it judging by this thread as too did the officials at the ground it would seem.

Have a look at it before you question it. It was a small stumble and one he corrected quickly - like he lost a bit of balance then held it together.

Have you watched the vision yet or are you too busy pushing your agenda?

I've seen it, yes. Doesnt change a thing of what i said.
A small stumble, that he corrected, and then made a tackle (high one) 30 seconds later, and only when the Raiders are streaking down the field does the trainer believe the game needs to be stopped so this guy can be escorted off the field for a HIA when he's 30 metres off the football.

1. Why did HIA only come after the attacking team has made a break and not in the 30-40 seconds previous?
2. And more importantly, why are we stopping a game of footy so a man 30 metres behind the play can be "escorted" off with a HIA?
And finally,

3. How does stopping the game at such circumstances help the player and help the game as a consumer product?

And ill answer:

1. Because it suited them to stop the game right then at that moment and not before.
2. Because the code is jumping at shadows about player safety
3. It doesnt make the player any less safe, and it actively detracts from the game we're watching.

It's a bad policy, that is actively being exploited by coaches and needs to be looked at in the off season.

 

[Spot On]

That suits your agenda.

But if it was missed by officials, as it was by commentary and most people in this thread, then it was no surprise it took some time before it became apparent to the trainer and was dealt with.

Not all head knocks and subsequent HIA assessments are the same. Some innocuous, some more apparent.

Sure the NRL can tighten it up. But there is a lot of rubbish thst goes on ie stripping the ball out every tackle and when it can't be stripped out, having to wait for defenders to remove their arms and hands from behind the ball/ball carriers arms etc that is slowing the play down for the entire game.

At the moment that is play on too.

Tough luck really.

 

[firechild]

Annesly confirmed through the footage that the doctor had requested play be stopped 2 plays earlier and the touch judge called for a stoppage at the first opportunity. The tap was taken so quickly that there was no opportunity. This was clearly not a ploy to stop play and allow Manly to regroup after the break.

Turns out it's just another Raiders fan having a whinge. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

 

[Frailty]

I've seen it, yes. Doesnt change a thing of what i said.
A small stumble, that he corrected, and then made a tackle (high one) 30 seconds later, and only when the Raiders are streaking down the field does the trainer believe the game needs to be stopped so this guy can be escorted off the field for a HIA when he's 30 metres off the football.

1. Why did HIA only come after the attacking team has made a break and not in the 30-40 seconds previous?
2. And more importantly, why are we stopping a game of footy so a man 30 metres behind the play can be "escorted" off with a HIA?
And finally,

3. How does stopping the game at such circumstances help the player and help the game as a consumer product?

And ill answer:

1. Because it suited them to stop the game right then at that moment and not before.
2. Because the code is jumping at shadows about player safety
3. It doesnt make the player any less safe, and it actively detracts from the game we're watching.

It's a bad policy, that is actively being exploited by coaches and needs to be looked at in the off season.

Isn't it possible that the high tackle was a result of a player who was disorientated from a head injury? We know footballers will try to continue to play even after suffering a head injury, so play is stopped to prevent the player from shrugging off a trainer to get back into play. This is why play gets stopped even if a medicart is not required.

It usually isn't an issue, but in this one instance it has been. The fact is player welfare is more important than a teams potential momentum of a game. We are comparing a person's life to the outcome of one set in an 80 minute game.

I think the NRL needs to be tougher on HIA being abused for a free substitution, and this has been an ongoing issue rather than one or two instances. I think the NRL needs to be more aggressive in not allowing players to return to the game, as we have seen multiple cases of players suffering post-concussion symptoms after being allowed back into the game after an HIA.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Annesly confirmed through the footage that the doctor had requested play be stopped 2 plays earlier and the touch judge called for a stoppage at the first opportunity.

Not the only thing Annesley confirmed from that game....

 

[firechild]

Not the only thing Annesley confirmed from that game....

Right. Go start a thread about it and everyone can post every tackle where a defender is marginally offside. That should be a fun read.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Right. Go start a thread about it and everyone can post every tackle where a defender is marginally offside. That should be a fun read.

Ah ok, what Annesley said only counts when it supports your argument. Got it.

 

[firechild]

Ah ok, what Annesley said only counts when it supports your argument. Got it.

Not at all. It shouldn't have been a try, I'm not debating that. Nice deflection from the original point though. Well done.

Fwiw, Plodson passed the ball forward from dummy half for the last try. But let's not get caught up in the small things that usually get let go right?

 

[Timbo]

I think the obvious solution to this is that play is only stopped for a HIA if a player is in the area where the play is occuring.

There is nothing stopping the trainer taking that player off by the fastest possible means, a replacement coming on from the interchange bench and the whole process continuing as normal whilst play continues. This is about player welfare, and there is absolutely no risk to the player if he is taken off by the shortest possible distance to the sideline.

If an intercept or turnover occurs and the area that the player is in suddenly becomes 'live' again, then the refs blow time off.

We've got sixty five officials at every game now. There is no reason why this couldn't be implemented safely - having said that, two refs, two touchies and three guys in the bunker somehow all missed that Gosiewski was offside so who the f**k knows?

 

[mave]

I eagerly look foward to the bunker checking every defender on the potential try scoring play, every single time the refs send it upstairs.

Riveting stuff.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

I eagerly look foward to the bunker checking every defender on the potential try scoring play, every single time the refs send it upstairs.

Riveting stuff.

On the rare occasion that it results in the defending team scoring, why not?

But I'd much rather the touchie do his job.

 

[t-ba]

Ah ok, what Annesley said only counts when it supports your argument. Got it.

Meh, for Manly it's just a square up from the decisions in the Saints and the Rabbitohs games.

Of course, it shouldn't be the Raiders suffering for those mistakes but here we are.

If you could get your square up against the Chooks or the Storm in an elimination game that would be nice.

 

[ram raid]

It's only going to get worse. The NRL are panicking about players suing down the line like in NFL.

 

[nick87]

this situation was explained by Annesley, and i am happy to concede that i was wrong and this situation wasnt actually on Manly at all

So yes, in that respect my initials concerns, were indeed just an unjustified whinge.
Full mea culpa on that front.

Starts at about the 8 minute mark for those interested in watching.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/08/26/graham-annesley-weekly-football-briefing---round-23/

But when i watched that explanation, the one area of my complaint which is justified is how it took so long to stop the game, and that explanation was stunning to me, and i found myself wondering how the f**k we're doing this in 2019?

So basically this kid took a knock, stumbled out of the tackle and it took a minute and a half to stop the game and remove this guy from the field. Now i understand the doctor reviewed it as it was missed at the time. So that process will take some time.

But as the footage there shows, the touch judge is informed of the HIA, and they let play continue past the next tackle, and then Boyle makes the high tackle, and a penalty is awarded, and another logical stoppage point is available and again, the game is not stopped. The touch judge should have stopped the game at tackle 1 when he was informed... and certainly the Raiders should not have been allowed to take a quick tap and for the game to continue. At the point the penalty is blown, the referee should have denied the Raiders a quick tap for the HIA.

This guy was allowed to continue to play footy for 90 seconds where further damage could be done, and for what?
So 4 people involved can play Chinese whispers! The call for a HIA goes from a doctor to a trainer, a trainer to a touchie, a touchie to a head official just to get the game stopped for a HIA.

It's 2019, why cant the doctors get direct access to the head official via their headset, so that as soon as the determination has been made that a HIA is needed, had that occurred, this game is stopped miles before penalty and break.

 

[Spot On]

Be sure to actually watch the game before you prematurely ejaculate with your next whinge Simple Jack fans.

 

[This Year?]

Not the first time it's happened and sadly won't be the last until the process gets fixed up. It's scary seeing concussed players running around with an increased risk even if it's only for a minute or 2.

 

[Spot On]

Not the first time it's happened and sadly won't be the last until the process gets fixed up. It's scary seeing concussed players running around with an increased risk even if it's only for a minute or 2.

... Josh Hodgson on the w/e.

No Canberra fans blowing up.

 

[skeepe]

... Josh Hodgson on the w/e.

No Canberra fans blowing up.

The doctor didn’t think he was concussed. Good enough for me.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

... Josh Hodgson on the w/e.

No Canberra fans blowing up.

Why would we be blowing up?

 

[Danish]

How many HIA checks were Canberra doing before taking drop outs on the weekend? Seemed like a lot