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Hindmarsh expects axe from NSW selectors

mrpwnd

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I'd LOVE to see Sterlo as the tactics coach for the blues and parra, him and Gus imo are probably the most consistent and specific analysts of the game i've ever seen and you can't doubt Sterlo's interpretation of the halves roles. But probably won't happen, either way i'd honestly be happy with any FOG blues as coach - Steve Mortimer anyone?
 

Brenno75

Juniors
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Why is everyone dropping white for weyman? It's probably one of the First games ive seen whiteplay well in. He wasn't dominated like weyman was all
night. Surely anohther prop has to be on the bench. Imagine if petro was playing!
 

TheParraboy

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Hope Hindmarsh gets the sack, Hayne too

Why?

Cause I will be about the only canary in the crowd at mt smart stadium rd 17. I need all the help I can get :D
 

TheEelDeal

Juniors
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Stuart is the go. Sterlo probably has the brains for it but he's not going to give up his media career for origin, it wouldn't be worth it.

I'd go for a side like this

1. Hayne
2. Morris
3. Morris
4. Jennings
5. Tahu
6. Campese
7. Pearce
8. Galloway
9. Ennis
10. Weyman
11. Hindmarsh
12. Gallen
13. Watmough

14. Farah
15. Lewis
16. Snowden
17. Mannah
x2
I like this side, only changes i would make would be Douglas instead of Galloway, and Champion over Jennings.
 

Eels Dude

Coach
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how about soward at no. 6 ? i know his crap in defence but he makes up for it in attack

I think the Dragons players showed last night they can play well in their own structured NRL side, but can't perform individually without the coaching brilliance of Wayne Bennett. Every Dragons player looked lost out there last night.
 

Schiltzenberger

Juniors
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over the last few years daley et al have regulary crapped on about how to stop inglis, falau, thurston, etc.... thing is that team has points in them. they are going to score no matter what so the best strategy is to slow down the points they score by maintaining possession and scoring points yourself. basically they need to pick a side that can be used for the future that also has the ability to score points.

i also think it's time for the selectors to p!ss off (ditto for the coach).

I'm getting sick reading this sort of crap.

We need to win straight away, bugger looking at a few years down the track. Pick the best team available no matter what age. Future planning is for clubs, rep teams should always be about picking the best. You don't pick guys in rep teams 'for the future'.

If you pick the best players, there will be a natural turnover rate of players. Something like what Queensland have done for years and years now.

Look at last night, they had some young props in there. For years they've picked their best, Price and Petro, they weren't available so they pick the next best, stuff of pure genius.:roll:

If it was NSW and these 'plan for the future' idiots in charge of Qld, they would've stopped picking Price and Petro about 5 years ago, "we need to blood young guys for the future" they'd say. Lockyer would've been given the arse a long time ago, Thurston would've been dropped after making 1 mistake years ago etc. etc. Qld would never have won 5 series in row.

They didn't bring Inglis, Slater etc. in to plan for the future, they got in because they were the best option at the time, it's just a coincidence that a few popped up at the same time. Qld then stuck with them, even though they made some mistakes here or there.
 
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Eels Dude

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I'm getting sick reading this sort of crap.

We need to win straight away, bugger looking at a few years down the track. Pick the best team available no matter what age. Future planning is for clubs, rep teams should always be about picking the best. You don't pick guys in rep teams 'for the future'.

If you pick the best players, there will be a natural turnover rate of players. Something like what Queensland have done for years and years now.

Look at last night, they had some young props in there. For years they've picked their best, Price and Petro, they weren't available so they pick the next best, stuff of pure genius.:roll:

If it was NSW and these 'plan for the future' idiots in charge of Qld, they would've stopped picking Price and Petro about 5 years ago, "we need to blood young guys for the future" they'd say. Lockyer would've been given the arse a long time ago, Thurston would've been dropped after making 1 mistake years ago etc. etc. Qld would never have won 5 series in row.

They didn't bring Inglis, Slater etc. in to plan for the future, they got in because they were the best option at the time, it's just a coincidence that a few popped up at the same time. Qld then stuck with them, even though they made some mistakes here or there.

Wow... fool. QLD did plan for the future... that's why they've created the legacy they have now. They piecked old heads like Lockyer, Petero, Price and surrounded them with young blokes like Slater, Inglis, Smith, Thurston etc among many others. You're living in a dreamworld if you think otherwise.
 

bartman

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They have to pick a side that has the best guys for their position, as well as an eye to the future in those positions that no one is staking an obvious claim.

The obvious ones:

1. Hayne
2. B.Morris
3. Lyon
4. Tahu
5. ...anyone but Idris
6. ?
7. I guess Mitchell Pearce... halves really are NSW's weakness
8. ?
9. Ennis/Farah
10. ?
11. Hindmarsh
12. Gallen
13. Watmough

14. Farah/Ennis
15. Waterhouse
16. ?
17. ?

Jennings is unlucky he's not a winger, otherwise he'd get the start. The other Morris if he's fit?

I wouldn't bother playing Barrett again, he doesn't bring much to the table. Pearce is overrated, but I reckon we're stuck with him in there now. May as well play Gidley at 6 this game, for what should be his rep swansong...

Mannah certainly has to get a look in for the starting side or the bench. Our props have been getting steamrolled. Pick two old stagers and two young pups and mix 'em up, next year the young pups have origin experience.
 

spiderdan

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I'm getting sick reading this sort of crap.

We need to win straight away, bugger looking at a few years down the track. Pick the best team available no matter what age. Future planning is for clubs, rep teams should always be about picking the best. You don't pick guys in rep teams 'for the future'.

If you pick the best players, there will be a natural turnover rate of players. Something like what Queensland have done for years and years now.

Look at last night, they had some young props in there. For years they've picked their best, Price and Petro, they weren't available so they pick the next best, stuff of pure genius.:roll:

If it was NSW and these 'plan for the future' idiots in charge of Qld, they would've stopped picking Price and Petro about 5 years ago, "we need to blood young guys for the future" they'd say. Lockyer would've been given the arse a long time ago, Thurston would've been dropped after making 1 mistake years ago etc. etc. Qld would never have won 5 series in row.

They didn't bring Inglis, Slater etc. in to plan for the future, they got in because they were the best option at the time, it's just a coincidence that a few popped up at the same time. Qld then stuck with them, even though they made some mistakes here or there.
yep. that's right. inglis, slater, smith, falau, etc.... were all established origin superstars with loads of experience before they pulled on a qld jersey. way to contradict yourself, braniac.

almost everyone of their players made their debut at a young age, established themself and became successful. if you win games there is no reason to make changes. that's why they stuck with them. and because they were young players that would form the base of a strong origin side in the future.

the next game is a dead rubber. qld went through this same thing when the blues won three series in a row. they threw in a bunch of young players (which you mentioned above) who gained exposure to origin, played together and are now one of the strongest rep teams ever.

but hey, who cares about winning the next series? as long as we do our best to win a dead rubber.
 

Schiltzenberger

Juniors
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Wow... fool. QLD did plan for the future... that's why they've created the legacy they have now. They piecked old heads like Lockyer, Petero, Price and surrounded them with young blokes like Slater, Inglis, Smith, Thurston etc among many others. You're living in a dreamworld if you think otherwise.
Queensland have never 'planned for the future'. Every year they pick their best 17 regardless of age. That's why they have such a mix of young and old, it's natural progression. A bloke holds his spot until someone better comes along.
NSW, will drop players for one mistake or lost game and then try to 'plan for the future', which fails. Then they drop half the team and start again, every bloody year.

yep. that's right. inglis, slater, smith, falau, etc.... were all established origin superstars with loads of experience before they pulled on a qld jersey. way to contradict yourself, braniac.
Where did I say that moron?
I said that when they were the best players available they got picked, regardless of age and experience, they are great players though so they come in at a younger age than most others. Even at a young age they were better players than others in their position, they deserved their spot, they weren't blooded for the future. It was just a coincidence that they had a good crop come in around the same time. If they were doing the NSW 'future plan' thing then they would've been blooding young props and leaving Lockyer out as well.
Like it looks like they blooded some young props this year, and people like you will claim in a few years that it was a deliberate 'future plan'. Fact is that if Price and Petro were available they would have been #8 and #10.

almost everyone of their players made their debut at a young age, established themself and became successful. if you win games there is no reason to make changes. that's why they stuck with them. and because they were young players that would form the base of a strong origin side in the future.

the next game is a dead rubber. qld went through this same thing when the blues won three series in a row. they threw in a bunch of young players (which you mentioned above) who gained exposure to origin, played together and are now one of the strongest rep teams ever.

but hey, who cares about winning the next series? as long as we do our best to win a dead rubber.

So did Inglis, Slater, Smith, Falau and co all make their debuts in game 3 dead rubbers? :lol:

Next series? if we throw a bunch of youngsters in to 'plan for the future' we won't be winning the next series, we won't win for another 2-3 years, if at all.
NSW have been doing the 'future plan' for several years now and it's not working. We need to pick the best 17 for every game, when a young bloke comes along that is good enough he'll earn spot. We shouldn't just hand them undeserved jerseys because they might be able to win in the future.

We've lost 5 in a row, we need to stop the rot. Win the next game, then win the series next year as well. After 5 losses in a row we shouldn't be planning for years down the track, that's stupid. We need to win the next series, and we won't win any series if we are constantly gutting the team for the future.

Let's let them win about 7 or 8 in a row, then our youngsters that we've thrown in might be able to win.:roll:
 

Schiltzenberger

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Wow... fool. QLD did plan for the future... that's why they've created the legacy they have now. They piecked old heads like Lockyer, Petero, Price and surrounded them with young blokes like Slater, Inglis, Smith, Thurston etc among many others. You're living in a dreamworld if you think otherwise.
Queensland have never 'planned for the future'. Every year they pick their best 17 regardless of age. That's why they have such a mix of young and old, it's natural progression. A bloke holds his spot until someone better comes along.
NSW, will drop players for one mistake or lost game and then try to 'plan for the future', which fails. Then they drop half the team and start again, every bloody year.

yep. that's right. inglis, slater, smith, falau, etc.... were all established origin superstars with loads of experience before they pulled on a qld jersey. way to contradict yourself, braniac.
Where did I say that moron?
I said that when they were the best players available they got picked, regardless of age and experience, they are great players though so they come in at a younger age than most others. Even at a young age they were better players than others in their position, they deserved their spot, they weren't blooded for the future. It was just a coincidence that they had a good crop come in around the same time. If they were doing the NSW 'future plan' thing then they would've been blooding young props and leaving Lockyer out as well.
Like it looks like they blooded some young props this year, and people like you will claim in a few years that it was a deliberate 'future plan'. Fact is that if Price and Petro were available they would have been #8 and #10.

almost everyone of their players made their debut at a young age, established themself and became successful. if you win games there is no reason to make changes. that's why they stuck with them. and because they were young players that would form the base of a strong origin side in the future.

the next game is a dead rubber. qld went through this same thing when the blues won three series in a row. they threw in a bunch of young players (which you mentioned above) who gained exposure to origin, played together and are now one of the strongest rep teams ever.

but hey, who cares about winning the next series? as long as we do our best to win a dead rubber.

So did Inglis, Slater, Smith, Falau and co all make their debuts in game 3 dead rubbers? :lol:

Next series? if we throw a bunch of youngsters in to 'plan for the future' we won't be winning the next series, we won't win for another 2-3 years, if at all.
NSW have been doing the 'future plan' for several years now and it's not working. We need to pick the best 17 for every game, when a young bloke comes along that is good enough he'll earn spot. We shouldn't just hand them undeserved jerseys because they might be able to win in the future.

We've lost 5 in a row, we need to stop the rot. Win the next game, then win the series next year as well. After 5 losses in a row we shouldn't be planning for years down the track, that's stupid. We need to win the next series, and we won't win any series if we are constantly gutting the team for the future.

Let's let them win about 7 or 8 in a row, then our youngsters that we've thrown in might be able to win.:roll:
 

ElectricEel

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what i would do ..

Coach for this i would put Stuart if he does not want it Brett Kenny he can coach and i the scheme of things he understands origin he was in it he has done it all and then we can build a real team around him ...

Sticky! Are you serious? He has to be the worst coach in history. He lost at Roosters after Gus left. He failed at Cronulla. He even lost coaching the Kangaroos! And the whingeing, the constant whingeing.
 

Haynzy

First Grade
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As much as I can't stand stand his carrying on....Des Hasler.

Terry Lamb?
Benny Elias?
Steve Menzies?
Steve Mortimer?
Brett Kenny could be worth a shot
Junior Pearce?
Fittler?
Brad Mackay?
Greg Alexander?
Cement Gillespie?
Glen Lazarus?
Jim Dymock?

Surely there has to be guy amongst that lot that could pick a side and fire them up enough.
 

caylo

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1. Hayne
2. B.Morris
3. Lyon
4. Tahu
5. Jennings/J.Morris
6. Campese
7. Pearce (give the halves time)
8. Poore
9. Farrah (needs to learn how to take a back seat in attack a little thou)
10. White
11. Lewis (right edge)
12. Watmough (left edge)
13. Hindmarsh (middle)

14. Ennis
15. Waterhouse
16. Mannnah
17. Snowden

That is my team, it have experianced players like Hindmarsh in the pack with younger guys aswell. I would look at Farrah to get ot of dumby half quickly and get a role on from there but he need to learn to play with a halfback.

The Props are to slow atm, I would play guys who are quick off the mark and can get a quick play the ball (Poore, White, Mannah and Snodwen are the best option IMO). Weyman is just to slow for SOO, he gets dominated much to easily.

I think lewis is the best backrower in the comp ATM, I would look to start him. J.Morris and Jennings are our centre pairing for the future so id look to get them in asap aswell
 

The Colonel

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Still not sure how White warrants a gig if you consider Weyman to slow and that he gets dominated.

1. Hayne
2. Josh Morris
3. Chris Lawrence
4. Mick Jennings
5. Michael Gordon
6. Campese
7. Pearce
8. Snowden
9. Ennis
10. Poore
11. Hindmarsh (c)
12. Watmough
13. Lewis

14. Farah
15. Learoyd Lahrs
16. Mannah
17. Tolman

Do we win next year? Probably not but they need to be serious about the building for the future but stick with the team unless forced by injury or outright form. The Qld dominance will still continue - 1. Slater 7. Thurston 9. Smith seems to be around for a long time yet.
 

Eelementary

Post Whore
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Tommy Raudonikis for coach. If he doesn't fire them up, nobody will.

Bellamy is an over-rated hack.
 

Eels Dude

Coach
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Lol @ those who suggest selecting a coach who can fire NSW up the most. Sure, it'd be great if the coach had that quality, but there's more to coaching than that and we need a coach who's a smart footy brain and knows about stuff like um... tactics... for a start. If the players need firing up then get some of the old Blues players in just in a consultancy role, a motivational speech, most players would do it for free. It shouldn't be the coach's role to fire the team up.
 
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