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Hook’s Days Numbered?

HenryTatana

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In this afternoons SMH:

Revealed: The sum Dragons will have to pay to get rid of Griffin​

Michael Chammas

By Michael Chammas

April 10, 2022 — 4.45pm
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St George Illawarra will have to pay out coach Anthony Griffin around $475,000 if they decide to terminate his contract in the coming months.
Sources with knowledge of Griffin’s contract told The Herald that the Dragons would not have to pay out the coach’s full salary for the next season-and-a-half if they were to punt him mid-season.

The South Sydney Rabbitohs take on the St. George Dragons in Round 5 of the 2022 NRL Premiership.

The Dragons’ decision to take up an option in the coach’s contract before the season is now under scrutiny following a disappointing start to the year with one win from their first five games.
At the time, the club wanted to remove any distractions and speculation around the coach’s future, triggering the option armed with the knowledge that it wouldn’t cost them an exorbitant amount to terminate him.

WIN Corporation, the part owner of the Dragons, has deep pockets. The $475,000 payout for a coach who is one of the lowest paid in the NRL will look like small change if the Dragons continue to underperform.
Of greatest concern is the fact the Dragons have won just one of their past 13 games under Griffin. To put that into context, the under-siege Wests Tigers have won three games during the same period, while last year’s wooden-spooners, Canterbury, have won two.
The Dragons’ off-season recruitment drive left many at the club convinced they would at least challenge for a top-eight spot in Griffin’s second season in charge, but they now find themselves languishing at the bottom of the ladder with games against Newcastle and the Roosters to come.
Griffin was not the Dragons’ first choice to replace Paul McGregor. They wanted Craig Fitzgibbon, but the former Red V star, who was an assistant coach at the Roosters at the time, had already vowed he wouldn’t leave the Tricolours before the end of the 2022 season.
Former Cronulla premiership-winner Shane Flanagan was also suspended by the NRL at the time and ineligible to be a head coach, while Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo indicated that he wasn’t ready to leave the Panthers at the time.
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The criticism of Griffin during his tenure at the Penrith Panthers was a perceived lack of attention to detail in his coaching, which is why former general manager Phil Gould often involved himself in training sessions. Griffin’s training methods were described as outdated.
“He coached the footy out of them,” a Panthers official once said. Those remarks would be of concern for a club with some of the most naturally gifted young players in the competition on its roster.

Five-eighth Talatau Amone played with confidence and flair when he was moved into the No.6 role for the final three games of the 2021 season. He ran for a combined 262 metres in those games.
In the first three games of this season, before he was relegated to the bench, he touched the ball more times but only ran for a combined 121 metres. He looked a shadow of the player from the year before.

Tyrell Sloan is another young gun in limbo. There’s no doubt he still has plenty of room to improve, but the manner in which Griffin dealt with the situation has rattled the 19-year-old, according to those close to him.

There are other concerns growing at the club. The mocking of Griffin by centre Zac Lomax and prop Blake Lawrie during an interview with Brian Fletcher and Nathan Hindmarsh on Fox Sports recently pointed to a lack of respect for the coach.
That was also on show with the complete disregard for the coach when the players gathered at Paul Vaughan’s house for the infamous BBQ-gate scandal.
The club has given Griffin complete autonomy over the roster. One of his first signings was securing veteran rake Andrew McCullough on a three-year deal.

McCullough is a fantastic servant to the game, but he ran once for three metres against South Sydney on Saturday. The fact he still has another year remaining on his deal is a worry to many at the club.
Josh McGuire is another of Griffin’s purchases, but he won’t be getting a new deal at the end of the season.
The Dragons bought themselves a month of clear air by taking up the option. It now means nothing to disgruntled Dragons fans, especially with Griffin slumping to the worst coaching record in the history of the joint venture with a 31 per cent win rate.
 

Dragonslayer

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Seriously though, the options for caretaker or even to take over are more of a 'be careful what you wish for' than trying to find the messiah.
Paying out Hook would not allow for a big name with probably only Flanno who would be willing to resurrect his coaching career at a reduced rate. We have 2 internal candidates of course, one being Matt Head, who has been groomed for this role for some time, and Gentle, who's record isn't flash either.

Dreams of hiring a supercoach are just that, dreams.
 

Dragon David

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Well it is all there in black and white. All the reasons why he has to go. We signed a dummy for effing sake and most of us knew this but were happy to give him a bit more time. We just continue to go backwards when we should be well and truly going forward.

Bleak times ahead if we keep this 31 percent win rate plonker so it is back to the sack the coach thread again guys. Something that we made many posts on when we had Mary - we are getting used to it - just copy and paste - no need to think what to write.
 

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Seriously though, the options for caretaker or even to take over are more of a 'be careful what you wish for' than trying to find the messiah.
Paying out Hook would not allow for a big name with probably only Flanno who would be willing to resurrect his coaching career at a reduced rate. We have 2 internal candidates of course, one being Matt Head, who has been groomed for this role for some time, and Gentle, who's record isn't flash either.

Dreams of hiring a supercoach are just that, dreams.
No to Matt Head. he is not the answer groomed or not
 

JohnnoMcJohnno

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If I recall correctly, last time the coaching job was advertised we only had 3 applicants, Hook, Deano and David Furner. Hook was the pick of them. If we advertise again, we won't get anyone better. We might even get McGregor or Price back. No one of quality wants to come to our club. The responsibility for this rests with the Board. They need to work out how to turn perceptions around and to operate the club as a professional organization. Otherwise it will be many more years of crud.
 

St_Bondi

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Haha the end is nigh for Hook. However it also should signal the end of those morons who extended his contract for a year. He cannot coach and should not have been signed in the first place, but this joint of desperados have nfi about running a “professional” sporting outfit. No wonder no one of any substance wants anything to do with the place.
 

Dragon David

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whatever the club needs to do , go all in for bellyache at seasons end
We can go all out for Bellamy and high flying players, but they will not come here under any circumstances. Offer Bellamy $5m a year he still won't come - only joking, but the reality is the club finally realised that keeping Mary was no good so they let him go but other than Griffin, no one of any significance wanted to be here (Dean Young wanted the job but he is still only learning) - we are just a hard basket case with big problems from the Management to the players - we just keep going around in circles and not able to get out of the deep rut we are in.
 

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We can go all out for Bellamy and high flying players, but they will not come here under any circumstances. Offer Bellamy $5m a year he still won't come - only joking, but the reality is the club finally realised that keeping Mary was no good so they let him go but other than Griffin, no one of any significance wanted to be here (Dean Young wanted the job but he is still only learning) - we are just a hard basket case with big problems from the Management to the players - we just keep going around in circles and not able to get out of the deep rut we are in.
i do agree with what you are saying, but we have to draw a line somewhere and realise that it starts with the coach and we need a damn good one that wont take any bs and can attract players, if that is not possible i would seriously consider cameron smith
 

Dragon David

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i do agree with what you are saying, but we have to draw a line somewhere and realise that it starts with the coach and we need a damn good one that wont take any bs and can attract players, if that is not possible i would seriously consider cameron smith
I mentioned Cameron Smith in another post. Got to see how he goes being an assistant for Slater for the Maroons SOO team. He lives up north with his family so I think they have settled and might be too hard to lure him down to us but anything is possible.
 

Coffs dragon

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No to Matt Head. he is not the answer groomed or not
I agree as both Head & Gentle are part of the problem and not the interim solution.
Our brain dead Board should widen their search to the UK and look at St Helen’s coach Kristian Woolf.
Aussie coach with a great record as Tonga coach and ESL
2 championships in 2020 & 2021.
Give him the keys for 2023 and tell him to bring some skilful & speedy Poms with him.
 
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