Hopoate to Parra 2014

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Thats right Eels dude but lets use another example.

Say Trent decided to stick with Manly another year at lower pay & won this years premiership, do you think his value would currently be more then what he accepted at the Bulldogs?

Will has done the right thing by himself\family, he has built up his value and then accepted the big dollars.

It can definately pay out if you back yourself and the club you play for to achieve success & increase your own value while doing so. Hey even if you dont win the comp you can stand out so much that you get a decent offer & all you would have wasted was a few seasons or less.

In Trent's case he never got the chance to play with Brett or an in-form Glenn Stewart\Kieran Foran which is a shame as those combinations are vital for the Eagles

 

[Eels Dude]

Thats right Eels dude but lets use another example.

Say Trent decided to stick with Manly another year at lower pay & won this years premiership, do you think his value would currently be more then what he accepted at the Bulldogs?

Will has done the right thing by himself\family, he has built up his value and then accepted the big dollars.

It can definately pay out if you back yourself and the club you play for to achieve success & increase your own value while doing so. Hey even if you dont win the comp you can stand out so much that you get a decent offer & all you would have wasted was a few seasons or less.

In Trent's case he never got the chance to play with Brett or an in-form Glenn Stewart\Kieran Foran which is a shame as those combinations are vital for the Eagles

You're spot on but that's a different scenario. The thing is you cannot predict whether your side is going to win a premiership or not and players make their decisions based on a combination of things. In the case of Will Hopoate of course winning a GF boosed his value. But for players like Sean Rudder or Shane Perry they disappeared off the scene as soon as they won comps. Money plays a part but it's not the only thing.

 

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Yep exactly & thats where a little risk taking or risk assessment as to what a year or two really means in the scheme of things, well in regards to taking the early offer or wait it out & back yourself. If your good enough to win a comp but never put it to good use id start looking for a new manager

 

[Eels Dude]

Yep exactly & thats where a little risk taking or risk assessment as to what a year or two really means in the scheme of things, well in regards to taking the early offer or wait it out & back yourself. If your good enough to win a comp but never put it to good use id start looking for a new manager

That's the thing with a team sport though. As good as you are you are reliant on the players around you to help get you there. For someone like Hindmarsh it's not that he hasn't been close. He's played in a couple of grand finals for the Eels, been part of 2 minor premiership winning sides and a stack of prelims but none could get over the line. In Will Hopoate's case he's won a premiership at 19 and he's already got that premiership ring forever.

 

[parra-matters]

Well these players may bring a premiership to the Eels in a couple of years time, that remains to be seen but if they do they are worth every cent. Unlike Manly Parra are desperate for a premiership it's been a very long time and will what ever they can to get one.

 

[woodyk2]

Will they have money for a full team?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

lol like i said before that's probably why he is happy finishing his career with just the one premiership ring But cant agree with Kearney as Hasler is easily the better coach & the relationship between Hasler & Will\the Hopoate clan has always been excellent.

Def the under 20's contract for Jamil & probably some more $$\perks would be the tipping point in Eels favour

If Hopoate really wanted to play under Hasler he would have joined the Bulldogs.

Are you saying Hindy is a ordinary player like Rudder? Rudder would never have got a fat contract as he was ordinary. Hindy is a player who could have gone to another team and tasted premiership success without making too much of a financial sacrifice. Although good on him for staying loyal to Parra, one of the good guys.

This explains why Hindy is indicative of our lack of success over the years. If opposition fans continue to wish Hindy all the best it shows they never feared him. Contrast this with Hayne who opposition fans loathe and you can see which player they'd rather not come up against.

Parra needed a hooker more desperately, they should of learnt not to spend so much money on a center, you only reserve the good money for your 1,6,7 and 9. Melbourne were a better team when Inglis left and Souths were worse.

Agreed, which is why I'm sure Hopoate will play fullback when he comes back, with Hayne moving to the halves.

so why do you go to the games? - is fui fuis ING interest bearing account is more important to you than winning a comp now?

That's because I don't make any money from rugby league. For the fans it's all about entertainment; for the players less so.

Thats right Eels dude but lets use another example.

Say Trent decided to stick with Manly another year at lower pay & won this years premiership, do you think his value would currently be more then what he accepted at the Bulldogs?

Will has done the right thing by himself\family, he has built up his value and then accepted the big dollars.

It can definately pay out if you back yourself and the club you play for to achieve success & increase your own value while doing so. Hey even if you dont win the comp you can stand out so much that you get a decent offer & all you would have wasted was a few seasons or less.

Clubs aren't fooled by labels like 'premiership winning' when it comes to valuing players. Was Sean Rudder really chased as a 'premiership winning five-eighth'?

No, because whether he won or not didn't change the fact he was just an average first grader.

Likewise Hodkinson - he proved last year he's a solid first grade halfback, and he's getting paid about as much as Cherry-Evans will after his upgrade, with the added bonus of an extra year on the big bucks.

This is discounting whether Manly would even have won the premiership with Hodkinson at 7, or whether Hodkinson would even have stayed in first grade.

 

[Loudstrat]

Yeah Paul Osbourne is likely to tell the media what they really paid for Hopoate.... If it wasn't for money why would Hopoate want to leave Manly? It is his home, he has a great coach that he is close to, great mates who he said are like brothers, has experienced success, and he has continually said he loves the place and doesn't want to leave.

That close mate/coach also moved clubs. He'd have gone back to Manly and copped God knows who.

Parramatta fans are clearly deluded if they believe they signed Sandow and Hopoate without paying out the arse. It is no coincidence that both Manly and Souths have said the offer was so big they were blown away. Both clubs tried hard to re-sign their players, so it's not like Parramatta slipped under the radar got in first.

We have been $600k under the cap. We can afford it. Besides, market forces. Have those signings made us worse? No.

You paid overs, got your man. That's it.

You didnt. You lost your man. In fact, you lost your mEn. Manly's retention policy has taken a bit of a battering for premiers, hasn't it!

 

[boxhead]

Premiership? Wha...? I couldnt even tell since Hopoate and Dessie said goodbye.

 

[Nice Beaver]

You didnt. You lost your man. In fact, you lost your mEn. Manly's retention policy has taken a bit of a battering for premiers, hasn't it!

Meh, part of the cycle of a footy team. (Well a successful one anyway). Show me a premiership team that doesn't shed players after a few yars of success?? (besides the purple scum from the bowels of Australia)
Parramatta paid overs for them in all likeliehood, but when you haven't won a comp for 25 years you have to to attract the players. Thats just reality.
As for Hasler, well that came down to pure and simple club politics. He hates the new CFO and the Leagues Club boss. Some heads should roll for that one.
Good luck to Hoppa and Hasler. Christ I love the Eagles and if I played for them and someone offered me the coin Hoppa's been offered I'd be outta there quick smart too!
Dessie was an untried coach and has proved himself to be a great coach. Hopefully when Tooves gets the gig the influence of Dessie has rubbed off on him. They are very similar in character so thats a good start.
Bring on 2012!!! F*ck, cricket and soccer for 5 months. God help us all.......

 

[Habitual Linestepper]

Parra needed a hooker more desperately, they should of learnt not to spend so much money on a center, you only reserve the good money for your 1,6,7 and 9. Melbourne were a better team when Inglis left and Souths were worse.

Who's to say Hopoate won't play fullback when he comes? Hayne might've moved on or he might be playing 6. It's impossible to tell this far out.

But i think you're right. It's silly to spend so much money on a player that's not in the spine. Considering Kearney learnt from Bellamy i'm assuming he probably thinks the same way.

 

[Loudstrat]

Meh, part of the cycle of a footy team. (Well a successful one anyway). Show me a premiership team that doesn't shed players after a few yars of success?? (besides the purple scum from the bowels of Australia)

What players have you shed because of premiership success? Cuthbertson????

Parramatta paid overs for them in all likeliehood, but when you haven't won a comp for 25 years you have to to attract the players

:lol: Really? I thought all clubs recruited? For instance, Manly, one of 4 clubs to buy their premiership winning captain when they could have brought one up from their juniors?

As for Hasler, well that came down to pure and simple club politics. He hates the new CFO and the Leagues Club boss. Some heads should roll for that one.

Agreed. Opens up a real can of worms. Is Penn the decisive one?

Good luck to Hoppa and Hasler. Christ I love the Eagles and if I played for them and someone offered me the coin Hoppa's been offered I'd be outta there quick smart too!

It might break your heart to remind you that Hoppa left for ZERO dollars. Mormon sabbatical, remember?

 

[Noa]

You know whats so funny about this.

Hoppa only played for NSW because of Fultons influence who thought it would make him change his mind and not do the fishing expedition and line up for Manly next year.

 

[saint_marto88]

What players have you shed because of premiership success? Cuthbertson????

Would Menzies count?

 

[ElectricEelMan]

Show me a premiership team that doesn't shed players after a few yars of success?? (besides the purple scum from the bowels of Australia)

Ummmm ... the Storm shed quite a few players.

In fact ... before this week, I can't name a single player Manly have lost that they didn't want to keep. Just look at their 2008 premiership team and name one major player from that team that they wanted to keep but lost.

Steve Bell? No
Matt Orford? No
Josh Perry? Maybe
Glenn Hall? No
Heath L'Estrange? No
Steve Menzies? No

From that Storm team I could name a few players that they probably wanted to keep but had to get rid of AND still they were over the cap.

Jeremy Smith
Israel Folau
Dallas Johnson
Steve Turner? Maybe

So although I hate the Storm, don't go around spouting nonsense that they never had to lose players that wanted to keep and then CRY that you are losing players. You have so far lost one player you wanted to keep. Hopoate. And he wasn't even in your plans for the next two years.

 

[El Diablo]

maybe he's looking at doing a SBW before coming to Parra in 2014?

 

[Desert Qlder]

Mormons.

 

[natheel]

Can't see it happening. The journos will probably link every decent player to a link to Japanese union until the club rubbishes it so then they will turn Ito another player

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/now-hopoate-looks-to-japan-20121117-29iwn.html

Now Hopoate looks to Japan

Date
November 18, 2012

Daniel Lane

WILL HOPOATE is the latest big name NRL player eyeing off a stint in Japanese rugby.

His manager, Tyran Smith, has revealed he is preparing to present a proposal to Hopoate's Parramatta coach Ricky Stuart that would allow the former NSW State of Origin star a chance to get ''match fit'' by playing Japanese rugby before he returns to rugby league from his Mormon mission in 2014.

Hopoate stunned the NRL when he took a two-year sabbatical to follow his religious vocation and preach from The Book of Mormon in south-east Queensland. However, he has been restricted in his efforts to keep NRL-ready by numerous religious restraints, one of which doesn't allow him more than an hour a day to train.

Smith, a former New Zealand international who is managing a stable of young stars including Panthers boom rookie Blake Austin and Penrith's 16-year-old whiz kid Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, said he had planned to approach Stuart and Parramatta's chief executive, Ken Edwards, sometime this week to float the idea that they permit Hopoate to regain his groove in the lucrative Japanese rugby competition.

''I'm looking into it because I want to make contact with the Japanese brokers who do the deals over there,'' Smith said. ''Whether Parramatta is prepared to allow it may be another story, though.

''However, I think it would be a good idea for Will to play the last few months of the Japanese season - October, November and December - and be back at Parramatta with some footy under his belt in January.''

The eldest son of former Manly international John Hopoate decided to dedicate himself to religion despite becoming, at 18, the second-youngest player behind Brad Fittler to represent NSW in the State of Origin series, in 2011, and playing in the premiership winning Des Hasler-coached Sea Eagles outfit.

Hopoate was signed to a two-year deal with Parramatta worth $1.7 million when Stephen Kearney was at the helm because the New Zealand coach, who has since accepted an assistant's role with the Brisbane Broncos, liked the traits, including integrity, he brought to the club.

As Parramatta craved his presence and skills during their battle to ward off the dreaded wooden spoon this season, Smith would need to convincingly sell the reasons for Hopoate playing rugby in Japan while his teammates slogged it out at preseason training.

''It's simply about letting Will get the footy in his hand, making runs, reading the defence and making tackles,'' he said.

The NRL was poised to clamp down on any loophole that would allow players to follow the precedent set by All Black Sonny Bill Williams and inflate their incomes by travelling to Japan during the off-season.

Wests Tigers superstar Benji Marshall's manager, Martin Tauber, suggested the Kiwi international was another NRL player in line to ply his trade in Japan but, after his club and the NRL expressed their concerns, Marshall announced at a sports dinner in Sydney on Friday night that a stint in Japanese rugby was not on his radar.

 

[El Diablo]

the idea has merit