Cronulla_Mania
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"wasting your life here on the net" - I dont see it that way. Posting on a board such as this is an educational experience (well sometimes lol).
Religion, for me anyway, gives me a group of beliefs and ethics that i try to live by. Some people would not have a reason to live, if not forlivingto carry out 'God's will'. Call it what you will, it obviously will sound like religious wankery to you, but a lot of people think that way.
"Oh yeah, ever heard of Joan of Arc, the Spanish inquisition, the heugeonauts, Salem witch trials? Sure turned those poor buggers around into something different though I can't agree with "a lot better"
Define Better mate?? They died for their beliefs, we are looking at it from a different viewpoint. The ultimate sacrafice i would say.
"History,archealogy, astronomy, DNAandsciencebut if that's not enoughMoff then I'll settle forsimple plausabilty"
They all disprove religion do they??? Are you saying these things couldn't exist under religion. Why do u think religious beliefs are to the exclusion of all these things?? Yeh, people were killed for believing in evolution. But that was a wacky interpretation of the religion IMO. The bible is open to interpretation, that is for sure. The beliefs change, mainly due to people taking different interpretations of what the Bible is trying to say. Most of the bible chapters (the new ones anyway) were written well after the death of Jesus. To this extent, thet were taking 2nd hand information and were 'interpreting' them.
Mate, i was raised in a catholic way as well. But we were also taught about Muslims, Buddhism, Islam, Jewism etc etc. We wern't closed off to other beliefs. I know plenty of people who don't believe in anything, and it doesn't sway me. I know 1-2 people who worship Marylin Manson...i mean, good luck to them, who is to say they are wrong??
"whowas it that decided Jesus was the son ofGod and part of the holy trinity?Explain how that wonderous conclusion was formed in312 ADby a bunch of whacky political bishops toexclude 13 books of the new testament which no longersuited them.
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As i said before, just a different interpretation again. Its like reading a book twice, does your interpretation of the message the author is trying to portray ever change? Of course it does, and this is what makes different interpretations acceptable.
Im saying, well its my interpretation anyway that evolution exists under religion. I think God planned for the human race, as well as nature to evolve into(supposedly) bigger and better things. Its a religious ideal, if you don't believe in it, you obviously aren't going to agree with me. Its one way or the other
Religion doesn't as such 're-invent' itself. The fundamental principles remain (ie: love your neighbour, don't kill, respect others etc etc). The 10 commandments haven't changed. The interpretation is all that changes. I think you can slant your argument either way though, in saying that its re-invented.
Moffo
Religion, for me anyway, gives me a group of beliefs and ethics that i try to live by. Some people would not have a reason to live, if not forlivingto carry out 'God's will'. Call it what you will, it obviously will sound like religious wankery to you, but a lot of people think that way.
"Oh yeah, ever heard of Joan of Arc, the Spanish inquisition, the heugeonauts, Salem witch trials? Sure turned those poor buggers around into something different though I can't agree with "a lot better"
Define Better mate?? They died for their beliefs, we are looking at it from a different viewpoint. The ultimate sacrafice i would say.
"History,archealogy, astronomy, DNAandsciencebut if that's not enoughMoff then I'll settle forsimple plausabilty"
They all disprove religion do they??? Are you saying these things couldn't exist under religion. Why do u think religious beliefs are to the exclusion of all these things?? Yeh, people were killed for believing in evolution. But that was a wacky interpretation of the religion IMO. The bible is open to interpretation, that is for sure. The beliefs change, mainly due to people taking different interpretations of what the Bible is trying to say. Most of the bible chapters (the new ones anyway) were written well after the death of Jesus. To this extent, thet were taking 2nd hand information and were 'interpreting' them.
Mate, i was raised in a catholic way as well. But we were also taught about Muslims, Buddhism, Islam, Jewism etc etc. We wern't closed off to other beliefs. I know plenty of people who don't believe in anything, and it doesn't sway me. I know 1-2 people who worship Marylin Manson...i mean, good luck to them, who is to say they are wrong??
"whowas it that decided Jesus was the son ofGod and part of the holy trinity?Explain how that wonderous conclusion was formed in312 ADby a bunch of whacky political bishops toexclude 13 books of the new testament which no longersuited them.
As i said before, just a different interpretation again. Its like reading a book twice, does your interpretation of the message the author is trying to portray ever change? Of course it does, and this is what makes different interpretations acceptable.
Im saying, well its my interpretation anyway that evolution exists under religion. I think God planned for the human race, as well as nature to evolve into(supposedly) bigger and better things. Its a religious ideal, if you don't believe in it, you obviously aren't going to agree with me. Its one way or the other
Religion doesn't as such 're-invent' itself. The fundamental principles remain (ie: love your neighbour, don't kill, respect others etc etc). The 10 commandments haven't changed. The interpretation is all that changes. I think you can slant your argument either way though, in saying that its re-invented.
Moffo
