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[Cronulla_Mania]

cheers

ill read and absorb later on, must be off to prepare for some A grade squash gaming

Moffo

 

[imported_Rasputin]

to the christians (which is the main religious denomination in Australia) it is viewed as a myth. Thats why its always been taught that way (not saying i necessarily agree with that). Its more a traditional believe id assume.
Yes, because the christiansof the 1st century, with thier thennew knowledge of the sun just being a planet revolving around the earththought greeks who believed insungods were naive ignorant foolswho needededucatingin the new sciencess

Im sure the Greeks dont view their religion as Mythology!
Sincethe 3rd centuryGreekshave been predominately orthodox christiansacceptingZeus asnothing more thanthe mythology of fools

 

[Willow]

Moffo, I dont think you're a thick person, quite the opposite. SoI can only assume that you are avoiding the question...
The Greek Orthadox Church isnt whatI was talking about...they too think that the ancient Greeks Gods are mythology.
My point is why are these old religions are considered to be the stuff of fairy tales now. Why is that? They were the ants pants in their day....

IMHO, Christianity and Islam, just like many belief systems before, will become part of mythology one day. It inevitable.

 

[El Duque]

So religion also evolves and it's probably due to science?

 

[imported_Rasputin]

<span>Good point El. Would seem the whole religious argument in the creationist v evolutionist debate is based on it's ownability toevolve in order to survive. Religion was first createdthenevolved in order to accommodate changes in science, politics and public needs. Magic stuff that lasts forever, guess they learned from the martyrs there’s no point in dying for a <span></span>principle when you can live forever by just evolving to suit current needs. </span>

 

[imported_eels fan...]

Religion must be the most boring subject when evryone is being so PC about it so in my infinite wisdom I will shoot this debate in the butt...

http://free.freespeech.org/shockingtruth/equation.html

 

[imported_Roopy4246]

Since we are talking science fiction and athieism (is that even close), we should here from the most famous of all science fiction writers/athieists, the Jewish Issac Asimov

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/asimov.htm

I tried to read his history of the bible about half a lifetime ago, but it was too much for me then.

 

[imported_Rasputin]

eels fan, ROFLMAO,that's one of the best pieces of sarcasm on the subject I have seen. I've bookmarked that one

Since we are talking science fiction and athieism (is that even close),
LOL, yes Roopy, close to insulting, science fiction and athieismare not related in my book mate,and I haven't been in any discussion on science fiction, but I think I know what you mean, at least I hope I do.

Forget fiction and idealogues,try reading Stephan Hawkins,Einstein's successor. I think you'll find him interesting, as a person and a scientist, he doesn't comment on religion butjust presents the science in an understandable way that even dummies like me can comprehend.

 

[Willow]

eelsfan...thats the funniest thing I've read today... Thanks

The formula was devised by Britain's leading mathematicians at the University of Wolverhampton. Harry Butler, one of the academics who worked on the project, could not suppress his excitement when questioned about the equation: "I can't believe we have actually answered one of philosophy's perennial questions. We have proved the existence of God!"

Isnt Harry Butler that bloke who used to go bush and make doccos about it? Sort of like the Leyland Bros..

And btw, I think the pic of that class one wanker, Morrisey was a nice touch.

There are some very funny people in the world.

 

[imported_Roopy4246]

"Since we are talking science fiction and athieism (is that even close),
LOL, yes Roopy, close to insulting, science fiction and athieismare not related in my book mate,and I haven't been in any discussion on science fiction, but I think I know what you mean, at least I hope I do.

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Sorry if i've got the wrong idea of this thread. I have to confess that I'm not prepared to read it all and work out where the arguments are headed. Life is too short for me to spend time on religion.

Anyway, I think that the Asimov books 'the history of the bible parts 1 and 2' and 'In the begining' are the most serious attempts to actually analyse the historical roots and original meanings of the bible from a non-religious perspective I have come across in my life-time. I don't think you should dismiss the years of work he put into this out of hand. For me, it was a bit like this thread in that it was too much work for me to plow through (taking into account my total lack of interest in religion), but I think he added significantly to the genre.

 

[Willow]

Roopy: As a kid, I used to read a lot of Asimov. As a scientist, I recall his specialty was chemistry. All in all, one of the best Sci-Fi writers in history. So much so that many of his ideas have been adopted by modern technologies.

 

[imported_Roopy4246]

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/dawkins1.htm#MCDONALD

A more serious scientist gives his views.

 

[imported_Roopy4246]

Willow,
I escaped from Science Fiction just in time. I have two brothers who read Science Fiction constantly and can just about quote every author in the genre. They both have IQs of 140+ but are like the Science Fiction guy in the Simpsons, lost in space. When they are reading you could let off a bomb under their noses and they wouldn't turn a hair.

 

[Willow]

lol, roopy.. I have a brother like that. Much smarter than me but stuck in his own world.

I've got into 'lite' Sci-Fiof late. Keeps me in touch with the wonderous technology of talking computers and automatic sliding doors. Plus the Lycra of the future has a much slinkier look about it.

 

[Cronulla_Mania]

lol, all this sci-fi talk, i should introduce a mate or two of mine into this sickening discussion board

To be honest willow, im flattered that you don't think im thick I must say, there are many more intelligent people than me in the world. I did misread the question, and misread what you meant. Why?? Geez, they ran out of followers? I couldn't be real sure mate. Im no scholar on the history of Greek Gods, so im going to offer some wild suggestions:

- They were in part the creation of a Greek dynasty/rule/government that was later found to be a fraud?
- There beliefs were merged in with another religious idea??
-The greeks were paid a visit by Alf one day and all was revealed?

I only wish i was as widely read as some other people in here. All in time i guess lol

Moffo

 

[imported_Rasputin]

Oh crikey,what a thread this has turned out to be, now we have apair ofsci-fi freaks at iteh

Well maybe you had some interesting chats with those visitors you had last nightWillow but for anyone thathas not had the opportunity to meet ET's here are some good links to both "Big Bang" explanations and proof that"black hole" singularities do exist from the physics dept at Berkley University
http://cosmology.berkeley.edu/Education/IUP/Big_Bang_Primer.html
http://cosmology.berkeley.edu/Education/BHfaq.html#q7

 

[Willow]

"Why?? Geez, they ran out of followers? "

Excellent bunch of reasons there Moffo. I like the latter one most of all:
"The greeks were paid a visit by Alf one day and all was revealed?"


So I'm beginning to think that you agree with me that religious ideals are a temporary thing. Some of the civilisations that we have mentioned here were in existence for a much greater period than the current civilisation.

Be it worshippers of Apollo,Zeusor the Aztec sun god...they all soon fade away. Paganism is hanging on because they worship the Earth... but Christians and Muslims support the ideal of a God... just like their predecessors.

IMO, they share the same thin thread that the previous mythologies once held onto in a precarious manner... and the same ideal that will(in time)run out of followers.

 

[Cronulla_Mania]

lol, not really mate. Religious ideals (at least the Christian ones) have always revolved around fundamental principles. I can see the 'issues' and 'problems' with religion but it isn't enough to give up my faith in it.

Moffo.

 

[Willow]

'Faith' is the ideal. And its an important thing. I have faith too but it just has nothing to do with Jesus.
I'm glad you have faith, Moffo... it shows a courage of conviction. But if I may say, the broader'leap of faith' is an ideal which is far more complicated.

 

[imported_Rasputin]

They both have IQs of 140+
So what happened to you then, adopted eh?