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How do The Wallabies try and stop Ritchie?

Thomas

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douglasallen91 said:
so how many weeks should mccaw get then, since hes at fault. :sarcasm:

the tackler has all the onus to make sure the tackle is not illegal.

It was an accident.

Had McCaw not twisted in the tackle he would have landed on his back in a good tackle.

Unfortunately he didn't....not to say He's to blame...but its a contact sport..they aren't playing tiddlywinks*


*Didn't Umaga say that after he and Mealamu smashed BoD when he was nowhere near the ball?
 

lockyno1

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Well he is only suspended for 1 game for crying out loud. He is VERY LUCKY! It was dangerous and lucky that Macaw did not get severely injured. Wobblies will struggle to win minus their league star in South Africa!
 

Thomas

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If the Wallabies had played like they did on the weekend against any team other than NZ...they would have racked up 50 points.

I reckon SA is lying in wait, ready to ambush NZ and Australia.

They are a different team at home and I reckon they'll win all their home matches....
 

Iafeta

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Their second half was dismal Thomas.

I still maintain the All Blacks are playing well below their best. If the All Blacks were in their 2005 form, they'd have put 30 on the Wallabies in the second half alone.
 

Mr Angry

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So when are the warriors signing this fella?

Looks like an outstanding player who could come accross and be a instant success.

Wasted playing Kickby.

Always happy for the All Blacks to win.

How old will he be after the next Union WC?
 

Iafeta

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Jason Eaton?

I don't think he'd be suited to league. He's tough and rugged at ruck time...
 

Te Kaha

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Mr Angry said:
No...No....,
McCaw

Let him have his WC then get over to the Warriors.

Why would he want to? he will earn bucketloads playing in the UK at the end of his Rugby life in NZ... the Warriors will never be able to afford him.
 
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Thomas said:
.they aren't playing tiddlywinks*


*Didn't Umaga say that after he and Mealamu smashed BoD when he was nowhere near the ball?

no that was 2 or 3 years earlier not long after he saved colin charvis life!

tuquiri is only going to miss one test and a warm up test for the uk tour.

tipoki got 16 weeks for what waugh did? how many did waugh get?
 

Mr Angry

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Te Kaha said:
Why would he want to? he will earn bucketloads playing in the UK at the end of his Rugby life in NZ... the Warriors will never be able to afford him.
Something tells me money is not this fellas driving force.
A challenge very few could do.

Being the first Kiwi to Captian the NZ Union and League sides.
Being the first to notch wins in both codes against the Aussies.

Maybe it is about the money - who knows?
 

SpaceMonkey

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Iafeta said:
Their second half was dismal Thomas.

I still maintain the All Blacks are playing well below their best. If the All Blacks were in their 2005 form, they'd have put 30 on the Wallabies in the second half alone.

I agree. I remember at the start odf the season Henry and co hinting that we may have to expect a few losses this year as their priority was long-term planning for the WC and some experimentation was likely to occur. That is exactly what has happened, except we've been good enough to still win all our games so far. But we're far from peaking at this point. Wait until Smith is back in our centres and has a few games under his belt with Mauger, Sivi is back on the wing and our lineout is settled (it only started to look good on saturday) and then we'll see what the ABs are truly capable of. Only the front row has really hit peak form so far.
 
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Kiwishark said:
We would've beaten them with O'Driscoll anyway. The Lions have only won one series here, in 1971 or something like that (don't quote me on it). They didn't even score a try in that match!!!!! He wouldn't have made a single difference.

We beat Ireland this year with O'Driscoll..... He's a good player but he doesn't make a team.

Your're theory is flawed

We can stop him if we want to, or if we don't want to, that's how good we are.

That's arrogance for ya.

ur 2 beers short of a 6 pack fool

beating ireland/lions with or without o'driscoll isnt the f**king subject matter its the fact youse dislocated the mofo's shoulder thru thuggery then claim the same to us - whats my theory fool? - i stated out that NZ thugged o'driscoll f**king his shoulder up, did i say NZ would lose if they didnt? quote me where i said that? what do the lions of 71 have to do with umaga taking out o'driscoll? stfu

Aus = 2 world cups
NZ = 1 world cup - hahaha youse cant even win the f**king tournament youse were designed to win ffs

iafeta - i dont share the same opinion as skeepe - dont kno him/her dont so dont pass me off as the same - we are sh*t union, no excuses, not good enuff thats it, weak forwards, no good backs, no play maker, matt rogers sits on the bench all the time, its not the argument at hand either, its the 'thuggery' issue that youse have been guilty of too so dont go saying we're evil thugs and sh*t
 

Twizzle

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Lote happy with lucky escape

By Peter Jenkins
August 21, 2006

AUSTRALIA wing Lote Tuqiri was slapped last night with a five-match ban for an ugly spear tackle on New Zealand captain Richie McCaw on Saturday - and the Wallabies camp were delighted.


A three-man tribunal in Auckland rubbed Tuqiri out for almost 11 weeks, until November 2, over the 44th-minute controversy in a clash won 34-27 by New Zealand.
But the suspension covers just one Test, against South Africa in Johannesburg on September 9, and brings again into focus the flaws and credibility of the judiciary system.
The other matches an independent panel took into account in handing down its verdict were three New South Wales games in next month's Australian Provincial Championship and the Wallabies' tour opener in Europe against Welsh side Ospreys on November 1.
The judicial committee of chairman Peter Ingwersen of South Africa and New Zealanders Chris Morris and Ash Edwards perhaps failed to realise that Tuqiri had no chance of playing in any of those four encounters.
He was certain to be rested from the Waratahs APC squad in the countdown to the end-of-season tour and, as a member of the Test side, would not have played against the Ospreys with the game falling just three days before the Wallabies face Wales in Cardiff.
But after a hearing that lasted more than three hours, Tuqiri emerged to say: "I'm obviously disappointed. I think it's a bit harsh but I've just got to cop it."
An appeal will not be lodged.
Originally set down for a 10am start, proceedings were delayed for six hours so Tuqiri's legal counsel, Rugby Union Players Association boss Tony Dempsey, could be flown from Sydney.
He entered a not guilty plea on Tuqiri's behalf and argued with slow motion footage that McCaw contributed to the frightening mishap.
"Richie lost possession of the ball at the point of impact and sought to retrieve it," Dempsey said.
"In doing so, he twisted around and transferred his weight away from the tackle ... finding himself in a position that was dangerous."
Tuqiri revealed he wrote a letter to McCaw after the match and sent it to the All Blacks hotel.
"It was unfortunate he landed awkwardly," said Tuqiri.
"I've written to him. I hope he's alright. There was certainly no malice in it. I was going in to wrap up the ball and I thought it was a legal tackle.
"I did pick him up but the aim was to put him on his back.
"By the time I looked up and saw a couple of the replays on the big screen, it didn't look that good.
"I thought I may have been in trouble. I was a bit edgy after the game and crossing my fingers all the way back on the bus. Then I got the news (of the citing) back at the hotel."
The judiciary found Tuqiri guilty of "a dangerous tackle" and, with the option of classifying it as low, mid or high range offence, went for the middle ground.
In their official finding, the panel described the suspension as "effectively a five match ban taking into account his forthcoming playing schedule".
Given the tribunal's concerns, and the fact he was never likely to make an APC appearance, Tuqiri will be relieved he is still eligible for the four Tests in November.
Wallabies coach John Connolly meanwhile returned fire after the All Blacks camp suggested his side was over-vigorous in its targeting of McCaw throughout the Test.
"Highlighting things like that just make no sense," he argued.
"It only drags something out of a great game that's not there.
"It was a physical contest at the breakdown. Nothing more.
"Have a look at our openside flanker Phil Waugh's face. He's got 12 stitches across one eyebrow."

from Foxsports
 

Iafeta

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KrypnotiK said:
ur 2 beers short of a 6 pack fool

beating ireland/lions with or without o'driscoll isnt the f**king subject matter its the fact youse dislocated the mofo's shoulder thru thuggery then claim the same to us - whats my theory fool? - i stated out that NZ thugged o'driscoll f**king his shoulder up, did i say NZ would lose if they didnt? quote me where i said that? what do the lions of 71 have to do with umaga taking out o'driscoll? stfu

Aus = 2 world cups
NZ = 1 world cup - hahaha youse cant even win the f**king tournament youse were designed to win ffs

iafeta - i dont share the same opinion as skeepe - dont kno him/her dont so dont pass me off as the same - we are sh*t union, no excuses, not good enuff thats it, weak forwards, no good backs, no play maker, matt rogers sits on the bench all the time, its not the argument at hand either, its the 'thuggery' issue that youse have been guilty of too so dont go saying we're evil thugs and sh*t

I don't really have to say a lot.

The SANZAR Judiciary did.

November 2 for Lote's return.

And deservedly so.

Space, yes I agree. Conrad Smith's return will add a lot to the ABs attack. We're playing 65% to our potential now. Still good enough of course, but I'd like to see us nearing our best by the end of the year.
 

Iafeta

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Twizzle said:
Lote happy with lucky escape

By Peter Jenkins
August 21, 2006

AUSTRALIA wing Lote Tuqiri was slapped last night with a five-match ban for an ugly spear tackle on New Zealand captain Richie McCaw on Saturday - and the Wallabies camp were delighted.


A three-man tribunal in Auckland rubbed Tuqiri out for almost 11 weeks, until November 2, over the 44th-minute controversy in a clash won 34-27 by New Zealand.
But the suspension covers just one Test, against South Africa in Johannesburg on September 9, and brings again into focus the flaws and credibility of the judiciary system.
The other matches an independent panel took into account in handing down its verdict were three New South Wales games in next month's Australian Provincial Championship and the Wallabies' tour opener in Europe against Welsh side Ospreys on November 1.
The judicial committee of chairman Peter Ingwersen of South Africa and New Zealanders Chris Morris and Ash Edwards perhaps failed to realise that Tuqiri had no chance of playing in any of those four encounters.
He was certain to be rested from the Waratahs APC squad in the countdown to the end-of-season tour and, as a member of the Test side, would not have played against the Ospreys with the game falling just three days before the Wallabies face Wales in Cardiff.
But after a hearing that lasted more than three hours, Tuqiri emerged to say: "I'm obviously disappointed. I think it's a bit harsh but I've just got to cop it."
An appeal will not be lodged.
Originally set down for a 10am start, proceedings were delayed for six hours so Tuqiri's legal counsel, Rugby Union Players Association boss Tony Dempsey, could be flown from Sydney.
He entered a not guilty plea on Tuqiri's behalf and argued with slow motion footage that McCaw contributed to the frightening mishap.
"Richie lost possession of the ball at the point of impact and sought to retrieve it," Dempsey said.
"In doing so, he twisted around and transferred his weight away from the tackle ... finding himself in a position that was dangerous."
Tuqiri revealed he wrote a letter to McCaw after the match and sent it to the All Blacks hotel.
"It was unfortunate he landed awkwardly," said Tuqiri.
"I've written to him. I hope he's alright. There was certainly no malice in it. I was going in to wrap up the ball and I thought it was a legal tackle.
"I did pick him up but the aim was to put him on his back.
"By the time I looked up and saw a couple of the replays on the big screen, it didn't look that good.
"I thought I may have been in trouble. I was a bit edgy after the game and crossing my fingers all the way back on the bus. Then I got the news (of the citing) back at the hotel."
The judiciary found Tuqiri guilty of "a dangerous tackle" and, with the option of classifying it as low, mid or high range offence, went for the middle ground.
In their official finding, the panel described the suspension as "effectively a five match ban taking into account his forthcoming playing schedule".
Given the tribunal's concerns, and the fact he was never likely to make an APC appearance, Tuqiri will be relieved he is still eligible for the four Tests in November.
Wallabies coach John Connolly meanwhile returned fire after the All Blacks camp suggested his side was over-vigorous in its targeting of McCaw throughout the Test.
"Highlighting things like that just make no sense," he argued.
"It only drags something out of a great game that's not there.
"It was a physical contest at the breakdown. Nothing more.
"Have a look at our openside flanker Phil Waugh's face. He's got 12 stitches across one eyebrow."

from Foxsports

Hmmmm - funnily enough, he didn't seem too keen to check on Richie once it happened. Even when the replay was being shown.

And it's in another article somewhere where he freely admitted that he brushed past him and didn't try to talk to him immediately post test - its in one of his quotes somewhere. It's like a Joey Johns U-turn, touchie should apologise to me, ...oops, maybe not.

Connolly's a great guy. He'd do wonderful stand up comedy. While its fine to say look at Phil Waugh's face, lets take a look at that ripping camera angle that shows the clanger he threw to McCaw's head when there was no need for it.

Krypt, I won't dispute the All Blacks play a very physical game. Or that the likes of Richard Loe etc were complete and utter thugs. No point disappointing that, they were certainly thuggish acts from him in particular - but undoubtedly, he woudln't be alone in that period. I don't think the Australians are normally a thuggish team, there's only three incidents worth any real debate - that spear from Lote, the head high for no reason from Phil Waugh, and of course George Smith's howler on Justin Marshall at the 2003 WC. Generally, both teams play a physical game but in the right spirits. The likes of skeepe brush over the time that the likes of Jerry Collins and Tana Umaga have stayed up field to make sure an injured player from a big tackle is ok.. or the likes of Justin Marshall checking on players as they're carried off. Or Richie McCaw decking the bloke who tried to take out that referee. Or Kees Meuws deliberately taking the pressure off at scrum time when one of the Wallabies necks popped. Likewise, I'm sure those instances occur from the Australians too. The game is a physical one with a lot of raw contact. And generally between the two countries played hard, played to the letter of the law, but generally quite fair. Last weekend's game though, there's fair cause to debate that McCaw had an X on his back, which the Australians don't need to do. If they could get their halves play right, and their scrummaging, they're a fair outfit.
 

Twizzle

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I thought the kiwi coach handled the matter brilliantly in the post match media conference.

Very astute man, even if he is a kiwi.
 
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Phil Waugh proved that he is so overated it is not funny...McCaw is too bloody good for him and he knew it !!.

Tuqiri is a fool and should go back to League..
 

blackfriday

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phil waugh did what was required of him - he targeted mccaw enough for it to unnerve henry after the game. still, i dont think george smith should have been dropped for it. if george smith is not one of australia's best loose forwards in the past 5-10 years then i'll eat my hat.

lote got off easy, and the wallabies management are probably celebrating. lote is our best attacking weapon by a long sh*t. why would the panel consider the apc games that he wouldnt have any chance of playing?
 

gunnamatta bay

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Iafeta said:
At least your signature is right about you.

Its a cronulla forum joke you of the fluffy type sig. Do you get a tear in your eye everytime you read that mush?

You and few others demonstrate your complete lack of objectiviity. The o'driscoll spear tackle was far worse but none of you, the nzru or the nz press said anything. You can deny it all you like. Oh and dougie it was the SANZAR citing commitee headed up by a sth african. There were a few kiwis in there too, what else could you expect? If it hadn't been umunga in that tackle the culprits would have been sorted out. AB captains are protected species.
 

Te Kaha

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gunnamatta bay said:
Its a cronulla forum joke you of the fluffy type sig. Do you get a tear in your eye everytime you read that mush?

You and few others demonstrate your complete lack of objectiviity. The o'driscoll spear tackle was far worse but none of you, the nzru or the nz press said anything. You can deny it all you like. Oh and dougie it was the SANZAR citing commitee headed up by a sth african. There were a few kiwis in there too, what else could you expect? If it hadn't been umunga in that tackle the culprits would have been sorted out. AB captains are protected species.

Once again moron you truly do show what an idiot you are....

O'D was not the victim of a spear tackle... he was the vicitm of clean out gone wrong... The same South African was in charge of citings for both games HE AND ONLY HE could cite players... when he went over the coverage of the Lions test there was no angle that showed enough to cite either player... ONLY when the am cam footage was shown was there enough evidence to cite both players... by then it was too late BY AGREEMENT WITH THE LIONS BEFORE THE SERIES...

So if you are going to be a troll at least get your facts straight.
 

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