While looking for the original article in this post, i found this, quite a good read.
In the July 1991 Ring Magazine I had a letter published giving four reasons why I thought Muhammad Ali would have defeated Joe Louis had these two all time great heavyweights ever met in their respective primes. These four reasons sum up how most modern boxing fans think of a potential Ali-Louis battle: 1) Ali had greater speed, especially of foot. 2) Ali had the ability to adapt and change his fight plan while Louis tended to be more robotic. 3) Ali had the better chin and successfully absorbed the bombs of some of boxingâs most dangerous sluggers. 4) Ali was never beaten at his best; his first loss came at age 29.
Having grown up as a fan of Muhammad Ali it is sometimes difficult to be objective. I felt a need to prove this popular theory to myself. I began an intensive study of the two great heavyweights particular styles by thoroughly studying films of both fighters, as well as the opinions of other knowledgeable historians and trainers. Within a year I published an article in the May 1992 Boxing Scene âJoe Louis: The Best Heavyweight Ever!" In this article I argued that out of all the heavyweight champions it was Joe Louis who most closely resembled the perfect fighter. I concluded the Louis-Ali match-up as a toss up that could go either way. After more years of study I now firmly believe that Joe Louis could defeat Muhammad Ali. The following describes the how and why. Muhammad Ali has become such a legend that people think of him as invincible. One person wrote to me that Ali was a âdemi-godâ. I admit itâs pretty impossible to defeat a deity. However, Ali was not a god, but a human being and as such had human frailties. As Jack Dempsey once said âno man has everything.â Ali had a number of weaknesses as a fighter. He did not have an orthodox style and never learned the rudiments of classical boxing. Ali made many tactical errors in the ring. Ali did not know how to properly hold his hands, duck (he pulled back or sidestepped), parry or how to block a jab! Ken Nortonâs trainer Eddie Futch said (Anderson pg. 233) âThe jab was a big reason Muhammad Ali never figured out why he had so much trouble with Ken Norton in their three fights.â Norton consistently hit Ali with his jab because Ali didn't keep his right hand up to parry Nortonâs counter jab. Ali leaned away from punches. He dropped his hands low. These poor habits caused him trouble with quick handed boxers who had solid left hands. Joe Louis said of Ali in his autobiography, âAliâs a great fighter, (but) he made too many mistakes, his hands are down a lot, and he takes too many punches to the body. I know what Iâm talking aboutâ (Louis pg. 260). Technically, Ali wasn't a very good fighter; it was just that his physical gifts (speed, reflexes, and chin) were so astonishing that he was able to get away with things that would have gotten most fighters beaten up. Some may argue he did end beaten up when his career was over. George Foreman notes on his web-site (
www.georgeforeman.com) that after Aliâs speed diminished âit became apparent that he never really learned defense.â Even before his exile Ali was far from unbeatable. His chin was among the best in heavyweight history, but no manâs chin is impregnable. Ali was nearly kayoed by Henry Cooperâs left hook: âIt caught Clay on the side of the jaw and Cassius went over backwards through the ropes. He rolled back into the ring, then got dazedly to his feet. He was gazing off in the distanceâ¦starry-eyed. He wobbled forward gloves low. He started to fall but his handlers caught himâ (June 19, 1963 NY Times). Had that punch not come at the end of the round he would have been in serious jeopardy. Ali also struggled against Doug Jones. The lesson from that fight is not whether Ali deserved the decision, but that a small heavyweight of modest ability was able to be competitive with him. Fighters with quick hands and good left jabs always caused him great difficulty. Against Louis, Ali would be facing one of the fastest and most powerful jabbers in boxing history. Now, consider the statement by Murray Goodman that Joe Louis âcould knock you out with a left jab.â (Goodman, âRocky Marciano vs. Joe Louis. Who Would Have Won In Their Primes?â Boxing Scene, Spring 1995 pg. 83). âThere was kayo power in every one of Joe Louis punches, but the most important of all was the battering ram of a jab, which was equal in power to an ordinary heavyweights right crossâ (âThe 10 Greatest Punchers of All Timeâ, Mike Silver, Ring Almanac, pg. 122, 1998). Boxing historian and writer Ted Carroll summarized a potential Ali vs. Louis match-up: âLouis had one of the fastest right hands ever seen in a ring. It boomed out of his slow moving gait with the speed and suddenness of a rattler. Clayâs defensive technique relies greatly upon leaning backward out of range of his opponentâs blows. Against a right hand of Louis speed and power this would have been a highly dangerous maneuver and the current champion would have been flirting with disaster every time he tried it. It is possible to conceive Clay getting a decision over Louis in a bout that lasted the full 15 rounds. But it is not so easy to imagine his going the distance without getting tagged by Louis fast hands somewhere along the way. When that happened it could mean the end of everything right then and there for Muhammad Ali.â (âHow would Clay Have Done Against Stars of the Pastâ, Ring, July 1966). Carroll also noted that boxers with great footwork such as Conn and Pastor had given Louis trouble. But Ali was not as correct a boxer as Billy Conn or Bob Pastor. Ali had many faults in his style. Joe Frazier nearly knocked him out in the 11th round of their first fight as Ali exposed himself with in the corner with his hands down. A crunching left hook, the punch that Ali was vulnerable to throughout his career, had Ali wobbling around the ring in serious trouble. Louis was a faster and by far a more accurate and powerful puncher than Frazier was. He was the finest combination puncher in heavyweight history, and possibly the greatest finisher. If Louis had Ali hurt the way Frazier did in the 11th round there is no way Ali would have survived. Aliâs legs were doing the âdance that puppets do when the guy with the strings is drunk.â (Bob Waters, Newsday, Mar 1971). Had that been Joe Louis in there instead of Joe Frazier it would have been over! Louis was a deadly finisher and didn't let his man off the hook when hurt. The âBrown Bomberâ was the epitome of the hooded assassin. In fact the saying goes "Once Joe Louis had his man hurt...." Foreman had Ali out on his feet by Muhammadâs own admission (Ali pg. 406-409). George Foreman and Earnie Shavers were arguably heavier hitters than was Louis, but they were not nearly as explosive or quick with their hands. George and Earnie were limited fighters who ran out of gas in the later rounds. Foreman was the heavyweight destroyer non-pareil, who owned the first five rounds of any fight, but by the sixth he was done. Shavers tried to pace himself in his fight with Ali, and consequently failed to go after him after he had him hurt. Louis had 15 round stamina and kept his power into the late rounds. Louis was a constant knockout threat throughout a fight, while Ali only had to make it though the early rounds against Shavers and Foreman, who threw a lot of wild haymakers, wasting their limited energy. Louis didnât make that mistake, throwing short, jolting, economically sound punches. Louis would pick his shots and take apart any man who placed himself on the ropes. The ârope-a-dopeâ would not work against Louis, in much the same way it didnât work against Frazier in Manila. In that fight, he absorbed a terrible beating to the body. âAli slumped into his corner at the end of the 10th round exhausted and contemplated quittingâ(Sports Illustrated, Oct 13, 1975). Louis would pressure Ali, like Frazier and Norton. Ali didnât like pressure, as he preferred to box from the outside. Joe Louis once described how he would have fought Ali: âThe kid has speed and thereâs no one around to outbox him, and the opponent who tries is in his grave. Especially in the middle if the ring. Iâd see to it that Clay didnât stay in ring center. No. Heâd be hit into those ropes as near a corner as I could get him. If he stayed on the ropes he would get hurt. Sooner or later heâd try to bounce off, when he did he would get hurt more. Iâd press him, cut down his speed, and bang him around the ribs. Iâd punish the body. âKill the body and the head will dieâ, Chappie use to tell me. It figures. Sooner or later heâd forget about that face of his and he would start dropping that left hand like he did against Mildenberger and Chuvalo. Those fellows got their openings by accident, and fouled it up. I would work for it and wouldnât reckon to miss when it arrived. Cassius Clay is a nice boy and a smart fighter. But I am sure Joe Louis would have licked him.â (âHow I Would Have Clobbered Clayâ, The Ring, Feb. 1967). Joe Frazier fought this battle plan mapped out by Louis in 1967 almost to perfection in 1971. Frazier began working the body early. He punished Ali along the ropes, and when his opening finally came (in the 11th and again in the 15th) Frazier took advantage. Smokinâ Joe failed to score a knockout that day but his victory was decisive. The plan almost worked in the third fight as well, Ali absorbed such a beating he said it was âthe closest thing to deathâ that he had ever experienced. Kenny Norton used a very similar plan. Eddie Futch instructed Norton âyour not going to hit Ali by slipping, dropping underneath or parrying. You have to hit him while heâs punching. When he starts to jab you punch with him. Keep your right hand high. His jab will pop into the middle of your glove and then your jab will come right down the pipeâ¦That is what destroyed Aliâs rhythm.â (Anderson pg. 235). Futch further planned out the following, âIf you start from the center of the ring it will only take you three steps to get Ali on the ropes. Every time you jab, step in and jab again. Then do the same thing.â Then Eddie told him what to do when he got Ali to the ropes, âDonât do like all the other guys do. Donât throw your left hook to the head, heâll pull back against the ropes and pepper you with counter-punches, instead start banging his body with both hands.â (Anderson pg. 235). That is how Norton, whose jab, speed, and power was inferior to Joe Louis, gave Ali hell in three very close fights. Joe Louis trainer Jack Blackburn was a master boxer, an all-time great lightweight who fought heavyweights. He was a genius at boxing strategy and at least the equal of men like Ray Arcel and Eddie Futch. Blackburn would have devised a plan to defeat Ali using the same strategy that Joe spoke of in 1967. He would have seen the same weaknesses that Futch used to instruct Frazier and Norton to defeat Ali. Ali did not hold his right hand in place to block the counter-jab. Chappie Blackburn would tell Joe, âheâs a sucker for a left jab.â Louis had the perfect classic style to defeat Ali. It would not matter that Aliâs jab would âget there first.â Joe would block Aliâs jab with his right glove held high, his chin tucked under his shoulder and counter Ali in the middle of his face with his own jab just as Norton did. He would use the jab to maneuver Ali to the ropes. Louis was a âmaster at cutting off the ringâ (Goodman, Boxing Scene, Spring, 1995) Ali said he was forced to go to the ropes against Foreman, âAll during training I had planned to stay off the ropesâ¦but now Iâve got to change my plans. Sadler and Moore have drilled George too well. He does his job like a robot but he does it wellâ¦Iâm famous for being hard to hit in the first rounds, but no fighter can last (dance) fifteen if he has to take six steps to his opponents three.â (Ali pg. 405) Joe would put continuous physical and psychological pressure on Ali. Louis would cut off the ring and step Ali towards the ropes, where he would then pound the body. Muhammad would then begin to drop his hands. Blackburn would instruct him âwhen he throws the right uppercut, deliver the knockout drops with the left hook.â Ali threw a right uppercut from the outside, a strict no-no. This is what made him vulnerable to the left hook throughout his career. Joe Frazier exploited this flaw when he dropped Ali in the 15th round of their first fight. Eventually Louis would see an opening and strike. Goodman described a Joe Louis assault like this: âThere were no warnings with a Louis punch. He would lash out like a cobra, and it could be just as deadlyâ(Goodman, 64). Jimmy Braddock was once asked what it was like to get hit by âThe Brown Bomberâsâ punch, âIt ainât like a punch,â Braddock said. âItâs like somebody nailed you with a crowbar!â(75 Years of The Ring, Vol. 3, No. 1, 1997 Section: The Best Puncher). Louis would catch Ali along the ropes with one of his most powerful and deadly hooks. Unlike Frazier, Joe Louis could throw a triple left hook with speed and power as he did against Max Baer. Aliâs legs would turn to jelly. Louis combinations would fire with piston like precision and the power of a human jackhammer. The speed of Louis assault would be mesmerizing. Ali would be battered unmercilessly and unceasingly until the referee was forced to call an end to the execution. In comparison to my original somewhat superficial thoughts from my 1991 letter a more thorough examination of the facts shows the following to be true:
- While Ali is the fastest heavyweight ever, Louis was nearly as fast with his hands. Aliâs many tactical mistakes would leave him open to one of Louis lightning-like strikes. His foot-speed and jab would be negated by Louis properly placed right parrying hand. Louis would render ineffective Aliâs primary weapon, his left jab, and drive him to the ropes vis-a-vis Ken Norton.
- Ali was a master of strategy against slow handed bruisers like Liston, Terrell, Foreman, and Shavers. He had more trouble with men with hand speed who could punch with him like Doug Jones, Norton, and Jimmy Young. Louis was superior in hand speed to any of these men. With the previously outlined strategy, which Blackburn and Joe would be sure to implement, Louis would not be at a strategic disadvantage against Ali.
- Ali had a great chin, but he was not âsuperman.â Joe Frazier had Ali in serious trouble and he did not have Louis speed and combination punching ability, if he did he would have kayoed Ali in their first fight, perhaps in the third. Liston, Foreman and Shavers were big punchers but slow, and could not carry on a sustained assault for 15 rounds. Louis definitely would keep up the pressure and he was a more explosive and sharper puncher in the mold of a young Mike Tyson. Louis had real shock value in his punches. Aliâs chin would have its greatest test not against Frazier or Foreman but against Joe Louis.
- Ali was never beaten until a 3-year lay-off, but it was still close to his physical prime. Some would say he lost to Doug Jones, and he was nearly kayoed by Cooper so his unbeaten streak is not without tarnish. In comparing Ali when he retired at age 36 after beating Spinks his record was 56-3 with 37 kayos. Louis when he retired as champion at age 35 was 60-1 with 51 kayos. Louis also lost four of his best years due to WW2 just as Ali lost 3 ½ years in his forced exile. Overall Ali faced the better competition, but Schmeling (a first rate counter-puncher), M. Baer (one of the hardest hitters in division history), Godoy (never knocked off his feet in his first 70 pro fights), and Walcott (one of the slickest boxer-punchers of all time) are better than anyone that Ali faced during his prime years, with the exception of Sonny Liston. Both Ali and Louis were dominant champions.
Ali had a slight edge in size over Joe. Ali was 6â3â 212 pounds in his prime, and had a long 80-inch reach. Louis was 6â1 ½â, and about 207, his best weight in his rematches against Buddy Baer and Abe Simon. Louis had a 76â reach. Louis height and reach was about the same as Norton, or Evander Holyfield. Frazier was 205 in the first Ali-Frazier fight, so any physical advantage is void. Joe Louis had the hand speed, the jab, the power, the stamina, the ring smarts and the style to defeat Muhammad Ali. Joe Louis is the one man who would knock Muhammad Ali out!
