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How stadium allocation should look like in Sydney

Ojlovednicole

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Found it!

Joint Venture[edit]
Main article: Wests Tigers

In July the option of forming a joint venture with fellow foundation club, the Western Suburbs Magpies was put to the Football Club members. The members ultimately voted in favour of a joint venture. As it turned out Balmain was in the top 14 clubs under the criteria (ahead of current NRL teams Penrith and South Sydney) but would have continued to struggle to be financially competitive with bigger clubs. The decision to enter a joint venture saw a crowd of 15,240 turn out in atrocious conditions to watch the Tigers play their last home game in first grade at Leichhardt Oval as the Balmain Tigers.
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Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmain_Tigers#1980s-1990s
 

joshreading

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Its' easy to say "oh you should take games here there and everywhere to grow your brand" but everytime you do it you give the existing supporters the shits for the sake of potential supporters. The sharks have been to Gosford/Taupo/Adelaide/ Perth and it didn't really do that much at all other than disaffect the existing supporter base.

Unfortunately, the Sharks have had very little long term vision to cast to the fans outside of lets get this things built so we have money (which is fair enough on one level) but surviving and truly thriving in today's sporting landscape takes more than a local team being supported by local people. Each of these moves were made for a quick buck not a strategic long term plan/vision backed by the NRL, Sponsors and the additional locations government etc.

I do think that Sydney teams in general need to make reciprocal arrangement's with each other to give better access to 'local away games'.
 

Frailty

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Unfortunately, the Sharks have had very little long term vision to cast to the fans outside of lets get this things built so we have money (which is fair enough on one level) but surviving and truly thriving in today's sporting landscape takes more than a local team being supported by local people. Each of these moves were made for a quick buck not a strategic long term plan/vision backed by the NRL, Sponsors and the additional locations government etc.

I do think that Sydney teams in general need to make reciprocal arrangement's with each other to give better access to 'local away games'.

This is where I think the NRL really needs to step in. The benefits of membership should surpass just a regular seat and early access to finals tickets. There a number of ways I think the game could go:

- Set up an 'NRL Membership' - This could be simply a GA membership to a number of nominated teams or grounds to get discounted prices (i.e. $10 entry, etc.).
- Rivalry Rounds - When identified rivalry games, visiting members could receive free entry, or discounted reserve seating.
- Event - Games held at larger stadiums during events (i.e. ANZ during Easter Show, SFS during Vivid) could allow members of any club free entry.
- Visiting members discounts - Members of any club receive discounted tickets at other games.
 

seanoff

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yeah you only need to read back about 1 or 2 pages.

nevermind I'll just tell you.

They are talking about holding growers markets there trough the off season.
Not like anyone is playing footy there then.


jesus, absolutely no regard for the playing surface then. i'm sure the groundsman will be thrilled with such a proposal.

no off season maintenance of the field, + thousands of people walking on it, with structures.

it'll end up looking like Brookvale early this season.
 

Frailty

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jesus, absolutely no regard for the playing surface then. i'm sure the groundsman will be thrilled with such a proposal.

no off season maintenance of the field, + thousands of people walking on it, with structures.

it'll end up looking like Brookvale early this season.

Yeah true, because you know, ANZ can't handle concerts because of people... Let's not forget that the same with Skoda Stadium.

Plenty of grounds have events and structures on them. The difference between Remondis and Broovale? Proper drainage systems, and full-time staff dedicated to that one ground.
 

alien

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Found it!

Joint Venture[edit]
Main article: Wests Tigers

In July the option of forming a joint venture with fellow foundation club, the Western Suburbs Magpies was put to the Football Club members. The members ultimately voted in favour of a joint venture. As it turned out Balmain was in the top 14 clubs under the criteria (ahead of current NRL teams Penrith and South Sydney) but would have continued to struggle to be financially competitive with bigger clubs. The decision to enter a joint venture saw a crowd of 15,240 turn out in atrocious conditions to watch the Tigers play their last home game in first grade at Leichhardt Oval as the Balmain Tigers.
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Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmain_Tigers#1980s-1990s

lol, a wiki page and a balmange one at that! i remember articles that said out of 17 teams, wests, balmange and souths were the 3 who were going to miss out of being in the, then, 14 team comp.
 

Vic Mackey

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lol, a wiki page and a balmange one at that! i remember articles that said out of 17 teams, wests, balmange and souths were the 3 who were going to miss out of being in the then, 14 team comp.

You are wrong, as usual
 

Vic Mackey

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no it's not. it is what i read. are the refs still robbing wt??? :lol:

What are you talking about? Your ramblings make no sense you fat f**k.

Balmainmade the original cut and could have continued on as a stand alone club, fact.

They took the smart option and merged as no doubt they would have been broke within a year or two.
 

alien

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Your ramblings make no sense

Balmainmade the original cut and could have continued on as a stand alone club, fact.

They took the smart option and merged as no doubt they would have been broke within a year or two.

:lol:
 

alien

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If they played many more years is debatable.

it's not debatable at all. they knew they would have gone bankrupt, and it looks like they may still go bankrupt - what a shame. it's amusing how angry you are getting about it all though
 

alien

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Mergermania.

By Jeff Dunne.
3 July 1999
The Australian
© 1999 Nationwide News Proprietary Ltd

The rationalisation clock is ticking as clubs look to ensure their survival in the National Rugby League. Jeff Dunne studies their options as the deadline for joint ventures closes in ... THE term joint venture once had a surreal quality in rugby league; for most, it was a concept of thinking the unthinkable.

In 1995, it had St George fans preparing for battle as they rattled their sabres and marched to the beat of a `no merger' drum when the Dragons were courting Sydney City.

The echoes of that battle cry have now been laid to rest in a forgotten dead-ball zone as the St George Illawarra Dragons happily climb up the 1999 ladder with one of the most exciting teams in the NRL competition.

But the words joint venture could make another leap from the sublime to the very real within the next four weeks.

As part of the NRL timetable for rationalisation, clubs have until July 31 to commit to joint ventures. After that, they will be assessed against the criteria.

There are 17 clubs vying for 14 spots in the 2000 competition.

The real race comes down to a handful of Sydney clubs, dripping with tradition but short on the funds needed to remain solvent over the next five years in a 14-team competition.

Western Suburbs are considered to be at the tail end of the pack. The perception is that the Magpies are a length behind Balmain and South Sydney, while North Sydney, Manly, Penrith and The Sharks are travelling comparatively well at the head of this group.


A joint venture between any of these clubs will guarantee them a five-year licence and an additional $2 million in funding from the NRL to cover the set-up costs.

The stand-alone option means they have to finish in the top 14 after being assessed against the criteria which include crowd figures, competition results and financial viability.

The currency of talks between clubs at the moment is the most overt signal the reality of rationalisation is finally setting in.

Balmain are the most popular club on the block. Parramatta are holding talks with them while the Magpies have already put a proposal to the Tigers. They will make a decision on their direction after a meeting of club members on July 27.

"It's going right down to the wire but we need to approach it like that because the picture will only get clearer as we get closer to the deadline," Balmain chief executive Danny Munk said.

The advantage for both Balmain and Wests if they were to join forces would be an equal partnership, 50-50, although a combined Wests-Tigers squad suggests much of the money up for grabs in a joint venture would need to be spent on recruiting more players to remain competitive.

With Parramatta, that is unlikely to happen in the long run. But what the Eels offer is security for the future. Joining forces with them makes geographical and financial sense for the Tigers.

If the Tigers do accept the Parramatta deal, that would leave Wests out in the cold. Speculators suggest Canterbury could still move into the picture with the Magpies despite an acrimonious ending to similar talks last year. The Bulldogs officials have no need to talk to Wests but sewing up the inner-west and south-west area of Sydney is an attractive long-term plan they harbour.

The chance to do it, picking up most of the assets along the way and gaining a significant toehold in the Campbelltown area via Wests' strong junior base may prove to be too appealing to resist.

Events on the northern side of the harbour this week, however, have sent strategists running back to their theories for another session of recalculation.

A Manly-North Sydney joint venture was thought to be the strongest possibility of all the potential unions.

But both clubs have come out and said that they would be going it alone although, significantly, they both issued a rider saying the door had not been completely shut on joint ventures.

What that means is they're still doing their sums and are shuffling the cards they hold in a game where football clubs not sheep stations are at stake.

"We know it's a risk but 87 per cent of our members last year voted to relocate rather than merge," Bears chairman Ray Beattie said last night.

That was last year, before the Grahame Park fiasco left the Bears with yet another club curse.

Manly are banking on the support of their leagues club despite the fact that Ken Arthurson, leagues club boss and the man who virtually built the Sea Eagles, holding strong reservations about their ability to stand alone in the long term.

South Sydney remain devout disciples of the stand-alone mantra: "We've got the richest history in the game and we're not about to give up 90 years of tradition."

The Sharks have taken the position that they will be happy to listen if someone knocks on their door, but not if they're confident of surviving on their own.

There is no shortage of brave faces, but don't be fooled; the stakes couldn't be higher and the bottom line couldn't be more real. So much so the unthinkable is no longer that. The joint-venture merry-go-round is in full swing.

© Nationwide News Proprietary Ltd, 1999.
 

alien

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Wests collect proxies in bid to gain merger with Tigers.

By Brad Walter

23 July 1999
Australian Associated Press - Sports News

SYDNEY, July 23, AAP - Western Suburbs officials are collecting proxy votes from members in a bid to ensure the club's merger with Balmain is passed at Tuesday night's extraordinary general meeting.

However, there appears to be little opposition in the Magpies camp to Wests Tigers becoming the National Rugby League's second joint venture, with even the Save Wests Action Group (SWAG) supportive.

Members of both clubs begun receiving letters today outlining reasons for the merger, with Balmain advising that if was to attempt to stand alone:

* The NRL are absolutely committed to 14 teams for the year 2000

* We are ranked, with knowledgeable assumptions, 15th or 16th.

* Balmain Leagues Club would have to commit $3 million plus per year.

* According to KPMG advice: "The leagues club's financial position is inadequate to grant the quantum of funds required.

* Even with the leagues club commitment, we would be at risk of not meeting the NRL's basic criteria solvency test.


Wests officials refused to release their letter to members but chairman Jim Marsden confirmed some directors were collecting proxy votes ahead of the meeting.

"I understand that two of the directors are doing that but from our point of view most people are behind it," Marsden said.

"I've been spending all of this week speaking to various groups and making pre-meeting presentations ahead of Tuesday night to win their support."

Marsden said he would again address the Campbelltown Stadium crowd at tomorrow's match against Canterbury, whom the NRL had been trying to force Wests towards.

With negotiations between the two clubs having broken down acrimoniously, Bulldogs coach Steve Folkes said his side was preparing for a tough match despite the Magpies' recent woeful form.
 

Vic Mackey

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it's not debatable at all. they knew they would have gone bankrupt, and it looks like they may still go bankrupt - what a shame. it's amusing how angry you are getting about it all though

If you read any of my posts you will see I agree. I don't really know what you are trying to prove?
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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If you read any of my posts you will see I agree. I don't really know what you are trying to prove?

He's trying to justify his switcheroo with mental gymnastics and poor attempts at sophistry.

For someone who claims to have changed teams he still seems heavily involved in following the old one and developments relating to it.
 
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