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How to close League’s international gap

mikail-eagle

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Don't know who's wriiten this but some of it makes sense..

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...5u3zCQ&usg=AFQjCNHPsLaxN43l7VMEjTCwKb-De1E5SQ

How to close Rugby League’s international gap

If Rugby League ever wants to have an international game on the scale Rugby Union has – where a World Cup could possibly, if not probably, have five nations win – league needs to grow its international game. And the best way of doing this is through a re-think of national eligibility laws.
Presently the Rugby League International Federation (RLIF) is made up of 12 member nations – Australia, Cook Islands, England, Fiji, France, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Russia, Samoa, South Africa, Tonga and Wales. Within these 12 nations there are two distinct tiers.
The first tier consists of the nations that could all possibly beat each other but, when faced with any of the other nations, are guaranteed victory. Australia, New Zealand and England make this top tier.
The second tier is every other nation – nine countries who could probably each beat each other, on their given day, but when facing one of the top tier nations, it’s simply a matter of how much they will lose by.
(Obviously there are always exceptions to this rule, but the reality of 95 percent of international results back up the above statements.)
As a result, there is very little interest in rugby league at an international level.
There will be a Four Nations cup played at the end of the season between Australia, New Zealand, England and France and of those, interest will pique around Australia versus New Zealand, but English and French games will more or less be viewed as dead rubbers.
As for the other eight nations that make up the RLIF, well to be perfectly honest, who cares? This is not a statement of callousness but rather, largely, of fact. Who actually cares about watching minnow nations play one another merely for the pride at stake?
The reality of the answer is probably, “people of those nations”. If rugby league wants to grow an international game, the answer should be “fans of rugby league”.
Some of the best players in the game have heritage with these minnow nations – 40 percent of the NRL’s players are of Polynesian descent – but cannot represent them because that would in effect rule them out of playing for Australia (and therefore State of Origin) or New Zealand.
Presently, RLIF laws state,
“When a player plays a Senior International Match for a country, he is deemed to have elected to play for that country. Once an election is made the player may not play Senior representative rugby league for any other country until the end of the next World Cup tournament, or the expiry of two years, whichever is earlier (‘Election Period’).”
Which is where the aforementioned eligibility law re-think comes in. As long as there are the two distinct tiers of rugby league playing nations, national eligibility should also be divided into two tiers.
A player elects to represent one of the top tier nations by playing a senior game for them and that shall be the only top tier nation said player will be allowed to represent for the length of their career. The idea that a player can represent New Zealand at one World Cup and switch to Australia for the next (a complicated international jig known as “doing the Tonie Carroll”) is ludicrous.
But a player should be allowed to nominate a second tier nations to represent, obviously based on current eligibility laws – a player’s birth, residence or heritage in their nominated nation would be examined.
If they are not selected to play for their top tier nation, they can instead play for their second tier nation without having to wait for two years or a world cup before being ruled eligible to represent their top tier nation again.
Though this may seem like a double standard, the question that needs to be asked is would this weaken international rugby league?
If Jarryd Hayne does not make the Australian squad for the upcoming Four Nations, would anyone really consider it to be to the detriment of international rugby league if he instead played a few games for the Bati?
Ditto for Nev Costigan having a run with the Kumuls? Or Robbie Farah with the Cedars?
With the present rules none of these players would dream of playing for the nations of their heritage because it would be the end of their Australian and Origin dreams until the completion of the 2013 World Cup, so in reality season 2014.
Rather than ask whether this would serve to weaken international rugby league, perhaps we should examine who would benefit from this system.
First of all, the players good enough to nominate and play for two nations. Jarryd Hayne has said on numerous occasions what a huge benefit it was to him, both professionally and personally, to play for the Bati at the 2008 World Cup, saying at the time:
“This has been one of the best experiences of my life and I wouldn’t take it back for anything. We play like we’re family. We don’t go out there with any pressure, we go out there to have fun.”
Playing for second tier nations serves to show professional players how good they have it and allows them to show their pride in their heritage.
(It also would give them a chance to show their first tier selectors how wrong they got it by leaving them out of their teams.)
Secondly, the fans.
While it’s great watching Australia win every international game they play (except the two or three that actually ever matter) wouldn’t it be better to watch a competitive game of rugby league?
And in league mad countries such as Papua New Guinea, Fiji and Samoa, wouldn’t it be nice for the locals to get a chance to support a team that had a legitimate chance of winning games against the bigger league nations?
Could you imagine the scenes in Port Moresby if the Kumuls got a win against the Kangaroos with Nev Costigan leading the way?
Thirdly: the rugby league federations of these second tier countries.
While the NRL wring their hands over whether they will crack the magical billion with their next TV deal, most second tier federations operate on a budget that wouldn’t pay for a Toyota Cup team.
If their national sides had a handful of superstars each, all of a sudden gate receipts would go up, along with jersey sales and there may even be interest from TV networks in showing their games.
Though these are the kind of financial boosts not even Cronulla would be fussed over, they would serve to massively inflate the budgets of the struggling nations, in turn helping them create better conditions for not only their players but also the kids of their nations who dream of one day playing international rugby league for their country.
Perhaps the only people who would have a cause to gripe would be the players who faithfully serve their country only to be replaced when a better player doesn’t make the cut for his first-nominated nation.
But while these players would have legitimate complaints about losing their spot, the benefits of playing or even just training alongside internationally recognised players are enormous. Their own games would improve dramatically by seeing how professionals do it.
More importantly, many players in these teams would suddenly be exposed to the international rugby league community, markedly improving their chances of getting a professional contract for themselves.
All those benefits aside, getting replaced by a better player is the nature of the beast in professional sport. And while it would be tough for Fiji’s regular players to be displaced, they would all have to admit it would be fantastic for Fiji if Petero Civonicieva, Jarryd Hayne, Lote Tuqiri, Aku Uate and Sisa Waqa lined up for the Bati against a top tier nation, played with passion to put a Queenslander to shame and caused a boil-over.
Because at the end of the day, that’s what the aim of this tiered system should be. Not that players of international standard continue to choose to play for two nations but rather that these second tier nations become so competitive that the superstars of the game decide they only want to play for that nation, thus negating the need for the tiered system.
This may be decades away but one needs only compare the Rugby World Cup’s humble beginnings at Concord in 1987 with the global coverage it receives today to see the benefits. Acknowledging and operating a two tiered system could be the first step in putting league on a comparative level.
League may be the dominant rugby in Australia, with daylight coming in well before Union but, with the world’s eyes on New Zealand hosting the Rugby World Cup this month, it shows Union is light years ahead of League on a global scale.
 

Evil Homer

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The numerous references to the RLIF in that article make it pretty obvious that the author has no clue about international RL.
 

Number 16

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Players should only be allowed to play for one nation during their career. However, a first step towards strengthening the lesser nations should be to allow all Aussie born players who choose to play for their heritage nation to still play Origin.
 

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Players should only be allowed to play for one nation during their career. However, a first step towards strengthening the lesser nations should be to allow all Aussie born players who choose to play for their heritage nation to still play Origin.
The only reason this doesn't currently happen is because the ARL don't want the game to progress internationally so that Australia continue to be the dominant force. And since the RLIF is basically just the ARL, we are pretty much screwed.
 

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I dont know how many on here will support you on that.

But i do think that it is ridiculous that this new billion dollar TV deal is going to be wasted on upping the grant to current NRL clubs and ultimately will end up nearly entirely in the players pockets. I think the game should get serious about promotions in all areas, and i think that this is far more important in promoting the international game, and indeed the game itself in Australia, outside of the current NRL clubs.

I think that promoting the international game is to start making serious progress outside of New Zealand and England. France is the biggest opportunity. I think they need a serious program in France. Leaving aside the issue of Toulouse in the ESL (which i think would be great) or paying lipservice to improving the Elite as well, i think that they have potential to become the 4th major country. Not necessarilly straight away in a playing sense, but more importantly, in an interest sense. The recent Scotland v France game which got a bout 15,000 people showed huge potential. They have also previously got big crowds for their games with PNG. And all three games were great actual games. Personally, i think they could and should get either the next world cup or full blown European cup. Failing this, i would love to see the NRL (or whoever has money) invest in a 4 nations series in France which would see France go up against the USA, South Africa, and Wales (or something similar). These are 4 nations which are decent sized nations, which have decent competitions (so they can use whatever GP nation players they want) and who would probably provide decent competition for each other with the French likely to make the finals. I think that if the NRL could arrange for such a tournament to be televised and publicised it through Australia and other areas, it would get decent crowds in France and would raise awareness of the international game massively and go along way towards helping France Stand on their own two feet, without the need to even use any NRL players.

The other area which needs massive improvement is the structure of the game outside professional level. Everyone goes on about poor smaller nations missing out to larger nations. But who cares. The game needs to be grown at grass roots level. In my opinion some of the increased TV Rights should go towards arranging an under 16s World cup, with proper qualifying from all nations with proper domestic comps at this level. This is what will grow the game. It is disgraceful that we dont have such tournaments. And what better way to get young players to play the game, than to offer the best players at the end of the year, a trip overseas to play rugby and ultimately (if they are good enough) a trip to a world cup, somewhere. I think this should be held every single year or two years.

It is also the only fair time, for other countries to play the big 3 before professionalism takes over. And i dare say that if we run this tournament regularly, the likes of Samoa, PNG, Fiji, Wales, France etc will before long be getting some good results and reputations that will transfer into their senior teams. It would also help NRL Scouts get access to talent at teh right age, which would also increase the talent available to smaller countries.

While i have plenty of ideas of grand schemes that i think would also work and create the finances to grow the international game, i believe taht the above scheme is the best way and the only serious way to grow the international game. It will still take time to grow the game and there will be other challengers to improve the game in certain countries as they reach certain levels (as France are at now), but this is the best way to grow the game, imo, outside of the major countries.
 

franklin2323

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1 nation for life simple. Sure you will get a few like the Vidot case they hold off but overall it will strengthen the squads world wide.

No problem with heritage or residency rule just make it for life and it's fine. Looking at the RUWC squads. Japan is full of NZ, Australia has a few tongans. No one in Fiji plays in Fiji. All is fine if they stay where they are for life
 

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My god there's some deluded morons at the roar, and typically, all the know alls are Union merkins.

Hi polly, nice to see you mention me again :roll:

Just for you as I know it pisses you off, I'm going to bump the French forum today, might even post a pic or video footage. Don't get too outraged. :crazy:
 

ParraEelsNRL

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I love the comments from Rob9 where he repeatedly says he's a massive fan of RL and RU, yet all he does is bash RL.

Funny, I thought a huge fan of RL would actually know where the f**king game is played :crazy:

And sheek is a bloody disgrace as usual.
 

bazza

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To get to 5 competitive nations, the best solution long term would be for more French and PNG born/raised players to be full-time professional and for these teams to play at least 3 games together every year.

This is all ready happening with France having Catalans in the ESL - just need to get more PNG players in the pro ranks. Maybe with regular games against PM 13 and the 4 Nations it can be a show case of talent for NRL and SL teams
 

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I would have thought it would be relatively easy to bring countries like PNG up to speed if the NRL wanted to do so.

If they brought in salary cap concessions or other incentives for teams to take on young PNG players, clubs would be more willing to take a risk with them.

Then have the players sign an agreement that they would only be eligible to play for their home country to avoid the problem of players being in Australia for enough years to gain citizenship and then Australia cherrypicking the best players.

So, in 5 years time, you end up with maybe a dozen or more PNG players with NRL experience, with access to the same coaching as Australian and NZ players. If one or two turn out to be star quality, the team could be very competitive. And the more competitive they become, the more clubs will look seriously at young players coming through, and the whole process would be self sufficient, even if the incentives were dropped at some stage in the future.

And of course, this sort of plan could be applied for any emerging countries. I just chose PNG because they are amongst the top teams in the second tier and have plenty of young players.
 

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One team for life means every 18 year old in the NRL junior squads will commit for Australia, and any that don't are just fools.

I believe the only way to have a quick fix is to declare the world cup to be completely separate to all other test league and let every player turn out for any side they want to play for. They should all be paid what they are worth as pro players for WC games - doesn't matter who they play for.

Uate is a fiercely proud Fijian - but he'll be Aussie Aku all day and twice on Sunday for the money - Hell, he'd paint himself green and play for Mars if the money was right - and every person playing the game or on this forum would too.
 

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Whatever the qualification rules are, the first step is to simply play more test matches.
 

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I agree with the author of the piece at the start of this thread that something needs to be done to elevate the play of the minnow nations. As can be seen on this thread there are a number of ideas, some good, some bad, that people would like to see put forward. But if anyone thinks the NRL is going to help in this regard, they are wrong. The NRL is a business, and businesses are in business to make money. There is not an elite sports league in the world that gives a fiddler's fart about growing the game internationally unless there is a pile of money in it for them. Do you think the National Hockey League would send their players to the Olympics if it wasn't a financial boon to them. Major League baseball has a world tournament every so often, but only when it appeases them. And the National Football League and Australian Football League have nothing to do with world tournaments because they are doing fine without them. And if people think the new Independent Commission is going to help rugby league in an international level you are wrong. They are there to make the NRL run more professionally and that is it.
 

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I agree with the author of the piece at the start of this thread that something needs to be done to elevate the play of the minnow nations. As can be seen on this thread there are a number of ideas, some good, some bad, that people would like to see put forward. But if anyone thinks the NRL is going to help in this regard, they are wrong. The NRL is a business, and businesses are in business to make money. There is not an elite sports league in the world that gives a fiddler's fart about growing the game internationally unless there is a pile of money in it for them. Do you think the National Hockey League would send their players to the Olympics if it wasn't a financial boon to them. Major League baseball has a world tournament every so often, but only when it appeases them. And the National Football League and Australian Football League have nothing to do with world tournaments because they are doing fine without them. And if people think the new Independent Commission is going to help rugby league in an international level you are wrong. They are there to make the NRL run more professionally and that is it.
I don't agree.
State of Origin and top level test footy are huge cash cows that clubs and players greedily feed off.
The last WC made a decent profit.
If the WC becomes a cash cow the 'suits' who infest RL administration will fall over themselves to be part of it.
The surprize result of the last WC was how much international TV money they got. If the next cup gets the same sort of money or even more, the 'Independent Commission' will want to get their snorters into that trough.
 

franklin2323

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One team for life means every 18 year old in the NRL junior squads will commit for Australia, and any that don't are just fools.

I believe the only way to have a quick fix is to declare the world cup to be completely separate to all other test league and let every player turn out for any side they want to play for. They should all be paid what they are worth as pro players for WC games - doesn't matter who they play for.

Uate is a fiercely proud Fijian - but he'll be Aussie Aku all day and twice on Sunday for the money - Hell, he'd paint himself green and play for Mars if the money was right - and every person playing the game or on this forum would too.

Not really more test matches for the lesser nations will change that. SOO is what many players strive for. Sadly that means choosing Australia over others.

Like with Soccer if they haven't played for the nominated country they can take the field for another country. Maybe not 18yo but 23-24yo's you can get especially with players going to ESL younger to play internationals they may change
 
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what a superb article! This is pretty much what I've been saying. If Hayne wants to play for Fiji when the opportunity arises he should be allowed to, and if he wants to play for Aus in the 4-nations he should be allowed to do that as well. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with that, unless they're insecure redneck white trash who are jealous that someone can belong to more than one culture.
 

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what a superb article! This is pretty much what I've been saying. If Hayne wants to play for Fiji when the opportunity arises he should be allowed to, and if he wants to play for Aus in the 4-nations he should be allowed to do that as well. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with that, unless they're insecure redneck white trash who are jealous that someone can belong to more than one culture.
Or people who want a credible international scene in RL and actually understand how international sport works.
 
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