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Huge wrap on Parramatta Eels' 17-year-old Bevan French

Poupou Escobar

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I'm certain if we'd had an elected board in place that they would have forced the issue, and Arthur would've had to cop Hayne on his roster at a much higher cost than he wanted to pay.

If an elected board had missed out on Hayne there would have been a fan rally outside the leagues club. There are already fans online who blame Arthur for it and have decided he's got no idea.
 

TheRam

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I'm certain if we'd had an elected board in place that they would have forced the issue, and Arthur would've had to cop Hayne on his roster at a much higher cost than he wanted to pay.

If an elected board had missed out on Hayne there would have been a fan rally outside the leagues club. There are already fans online who blame Arthur for it and have decided he's got no idea.

Unless he can get a match turning/winning fullback, above average half and non injury creative hooker, before the start of next season, then his detractors maybe onto something.

Just a thought.

BTW, don't get me wrong, I like the coach, but unlike you and many others, I think he and all coaches, have and continue to make monumental mistakes all the time. The trick is to make less then the other blokes.

E.g. Our coach offloading Peats, Hasler opting for his halves combo, Hasler letting Ennis go for Leacha, Bennett letting Ash Taylor go, Bennett signing Roberts...and the list goes on.

The point is we won't really know if it was the right thing to do until probably the start of next season. But he has taken a very risky path hoping that the two in the bush he is seeking will be there, while discarding the bird(Plane) in the hand.

Time will tell.
 

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Unless he can get a match turning/winning fullback, above average half and non injury creative hooker, before the start of next season, then his detractors maybe onto something.

Just a thought.

BTW, don't get me wrong, I like the coach, but unlike you and many others, I think he and all coaches, have and continue to make monumental mistakes all the time. The trick is to make less then the other blokes.

E.g. Our coach offloading Peats, Hasler opting for his halves combo, Hasler letting Ennis go for Leacha, Bennett letting Ash Taylor go, Bennett signing Roberts...and the list goes on.

The point is we won't really know if it was the right thing to do until probably the start of next season. But he has taken a very risky path hoping that the two in the bush he is seeking will be there, while discarding the bird(Plane) in the hand.

Time will tell.

So easy to be wise in hindsight about Peats, but BA was not to know that a few weeks later Foz's life was going to majorly hit the fan and not want to honour his contract for 2017+.
 

TheRam

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So easy to be wise in hindsight about Peats, but BA was not to know that a few weeks later Foz's life was going to majorly hit the fan and not want to honour his contract for 2017+.

Sure, one could say that and they might be right. But one could also say that he has known the guy for years and had a very close and personal relationship with him, so how come he didn't pickup on what was going on? After all it is his job and fiduciary duty to our club to catch potential club destructive issues from happening.

Sure you can't see everything, but from my understanding, many of Foz's issues have been around for years, while he was at Manly. So Arthur, it would seem, isn't to cluey about character analysis.

So like I said, he makes mistakes and some of those mistakes have been very damaging to our roster. Therefore the jury is out on whether he has made the right decision in regards to opt out on Hayne at the moment.

My gut reaction is he has blundered massively. But that is my opinion. I hope Arthur can find those players that I mentioned above by next season. And I mean next season and we become at least a top 4 team, If not then I and I'm sure many others would conclude that he failed.

Why by next season? Because if it doesn't happen that quickly, then we are still in a rebuilding phase. So therefore he should of signed the greatest player in the freakin world(probably ever) and Corey Norman and built the team around them. You know, kind of like Melbourne have 3 world class players in their spine, style. I doesn't seem to have hurt them to much.

Not to mention Hayne is beyond the run of the mill elite player. He has proven what an asset for a clubs bottom line, interest/popularity, marketing, sponsorship and ratings he is. Hardly something that we should be passing on, considering the shit perception we have as a club created for ourselves and the $10m loss we have just for next season.

Yeah seems like a great decision so far by our club. We may have a half decent season next year if we can pick up a couple of decent players, but short of a top 4 finish, it would be just average, something that Hayne and what he brings never is.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Unless he can get a match turning/winning fullback, above average half and non injury creative hooker, before the start of next season, then his detractors maybe onto something.

Just a thought.

BTW, don't get me wrong, I like the coach, but unlike you and many others, I think he and all coaches, have and continue to make monumental mistakes all the time. The trick is to make less then the other blokes.

E.g. Our coach offloading Peats, Hasler opting for his halves combo, Hasler letting Ennis go for Leacha, Bennett letting Ash Taylor go, Bennett signing Roberts...and the list goes on.

The point is we won't really know if it was the right thing to do until probably the start of next season. But he has taken a very risky path hoping that the two in the bush he is seeking will be there, while discarding the bird(Plane) in the hand.

Time will tell.
You're forgetting the reality of the salary cap. Because you have players on contract you can't always swap them for the player you want when that player comes off contract. Sometimes you also need to let an expensive player go and replace him with someone cheaper, in order to retain/sign a more important player elsewhere.

Unless you know the details of player contracts you can never second guess the coaches and administrators who do. You are just guessing.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Sure, one could say that and they might be right. But one could also say that he has known the guy for years and had a very close and personal relationship with him, so how come he didn't pickup on what was going on? After all it is his job and fiduciary duty to our club to catch potential club destructive issues from happening.

Sure you can't see everything, but from my understanding, many of Foz's issues have been around for years, while he was at Manly. So Arthur, it would seem, isn't to cluey about character analysis.

So like I said, he makes mistakes and some of those mistakes have been very damaging to our roster. Therefore the jury is out on whether he has made the right decision in regards to opt out on Hayne at the moment.

My gut reaction is he has blundered massively. But that is my opinion. I hope Arthur can find those players that I mentioned above by next season. And I mean next season and we become at least a top 4 team, If not then I and I'm sure many others would conclude that he failed.

Why by next season? Because if it doesn't happen that quickly, then we are still in a rebuilding phase. So therefore he should of signed the greatest player in the freakin world(probably ever) and Corey Norman and built the team around them. You know, kind of like Melbourne have 3 world class players in their spine, style. I doesn't seem to have hurt them to much.

Not to mention Hayne is beyond the run of the mill elite player. He has proven what an asset for a clubs bottom line, interest/popularity, marketing, sponsorship and ratings he is. Hardly something that we should be passing on, considering the shit perception we have as a club created for ourselves and the $10m loss we have just for next season.

Yeah seems like a great decision so far by our club. We may have a half decent season next year if we can pick up a couple of decent players, but short of a top 4 finish, it would be just average, something that Hayne and what he brings never is.
Let's see how the Titans go with Hayne, and whether he was worth it.
 

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You're forgetting the reality of the salary cap. Because you have players on contract you can't always swap them for the player you want when that player comes off contract. Sometimes you also need to let an expensive player go and replace him with someone cheaper, in order to retain/sign a more important player elsewhere.

Unless you know the details of player contracts you can never second guess the coaches and administrators who do. You are just guessing.

I'm forgetting nothing.

Salary cap reality is, his first option and hugely preferred outcome has always been Parra. That is where you start from. The rest as they say is showing a real desire from the clubs side of things, that he is truly valued and wanted. Then I am sure that they could/would have worked something out.

Lets not forget, Hayne attracts sponsors more then any other player. We just took him for granted and didn't value him enough. He is a superstar pre-madonna just like most of the greatest ones are. They want, no need their egos stroked.

But like I said, if we don't make the top 4 next year, then we have under achieved and we are still in a building phase, therefore we will be re-signing/releasing and signing new players till we get it right anyway, so we should have signed Hayne and gain all the on and off field value that only he can bring.

Guessing sure, just like you, but my argument is that we probably are 3-5 years at least away from winning a title with the personnel at the club at the moment or any players that Arthur can bring to the club next year. So why not build it around Hayne our best ever? Two superstars in a team is hardly going to break the bank, especially considering over the next couple of years how our ability to attract sponsors should skyrocket(especially) if Hayne was part of the organization and the fact that the salary cap is going to increase to around $8m in the next couple of years.

The decision not to pursue Hayne is in my opinion a massive short sighted blunder. The events of the last two weeks alone are for me enough evidence of that.
 

TheRam

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lets see how Henry goes. Has never coached a side to a top 4 finish or GF qualifier after several years.

True I don't rate him much. He also had problems with that other superstar or our game, you know the one, JT.

The trick with players like these two, is their team mates stop playing their natural game and wait for them to do something.

This is what the coach needs to be able to change in the mindset of the rest of the playing group if they wish to fulfill their potential.
 

Poupou Escobar

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I'm forgetting nothing.

Salary cap reality is, his first option and hugely preferred outcome has always been Parra. That is where you start from. The rest as they say is showing a real desire from the clubs side of things, that he is truly valued and wanted. Then I am sure that they could/would have worked something out.

Lets not forget, Hayne attracts sponsors more then any other player. We just took him for granted and didn't value him enough. He is a superstar pre-madonna just like most of the greatest ones are. They want, no need their egos stroked.

But like I said, if we don't make the top 4 next year, then we have under achieved and we are still in a building phase, therefore we will be re-signing/releasing and signing new players till we get it right anyway, so we should have signed Hayne and gain all the on and off field value that only he can bring.

Guessing sure, just like you, but my argument is that we probably are 3-5 years at least away from winning a title with the personnel at the club at the moment or any players that Arthur can bring to the club next year. So why not build it around Hayne our best ever? Two superstars in a team is hardly going to break the bank, especially considering over the next couple of years how our ability to attract sponsors should skyrocket(especially) if Hayne was part of the organization and the fact that the salary cap is going to increase to around $8m in the next couple of years.

The decision not to pursue Hayne is in my opinion a massive short sighted blunder. The events of the last two weeks alone are for me enough evidence of that.
I think the fact he has only ever played for poorly run clubs tells a lot about his value under the salary cap.

He wanted to live in Sydney (allegedly) and not a single Sydney club met his price.
 

TheRam

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I think the fact he has only ever played for poorly run clubs tells a lot about his value under the salary cap.

He wanted to live in Sydney (allegedly) and not a single Sydney club met his price.

How do you know that? Slinging shit again.
 

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Unless he can get a match turning/winning fullback, above average half and non injury creative hooker, before the start of next season, then his detractors maybe onto something.

Just a thought.

BTW, don't get me wrong, I like the coach, but unlike you and many others, I think he and all coaches, have and continue to make monumental mistakes all the time. The trick is to make less then the other blokes.

E.g. Our coach offloading Peats, Hasler opting for his halves combo, Hasler letting Ennis go for Leacha, Bennett letting Ash Taylor go, Bennett signing Roberts...and the list goes on.

The point is we won't really know if it was the right thing to do until probably the start of next season. But he has taken a very risky path hoping that the two in the bush he is seeking will be there, while discarding the bird(Plane) in the hand.

Time will tell.


It was either Peats or Norman... BA's hands were tied...
 

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It was either Peats or Norman... BA's hands were tied...

Yeah but Ram reckons if BA was on the ball he would have picked up that Foz's life was about to implode and asked for a release. Silly BA.
 

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But Milford by the same age had been in the Raiders system for at least 4-5 years, so maybe French will fill out a bit with a bit more work.
 

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