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AlwaysGreen

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ceagle said:
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maccattack

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I think deciding to play is a stupid decision on Lockyers part. Firstly it should be taken out of his hands! Of course he is going to want to play. He is not in a position to make the call or at least shouldnt be. The club throwing their hands up and saying "oh well its up to him" is just a cop out.

Secondly, if the Broncs win, he has to play another game. Thats two games. Double the risk.

Even if the Broncs go all the way and win the GF with Lockyer unharmed, it is still a bad decision. It is a massive risk (blindness) for the sake of a premiership.
 
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woodyk2 said:
Just a hypothetical question for discussion and debate regarding Darren Lockyer. If he plays against Manly and gets smashed....even head highed...then can take no further part in the game or heaven(or whoever) forbid he loses his eyesight through one eye as many medical specialists have warned against...then who gets the blame? The Manly player? His courage?Broncos medical staff? The NRL for allowing him to play? His very possible stupidety for letting 100kg plus blokes belt him? Who?
Dont get me wrong this isnt an anti broncos thread in any way shape or form and is only hypothetical but who would most likely get the blame ?
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There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity and sadly one of the greats is having to walk it. If the only risk was pain then play on, but it's a bit more risky than that. Take the footy away for a minute and he is a young family man with it all ahead, he shouldn't risk it. But you can't take the footy away because it is his life. Surely someone will ask him if he'd rather watch his kids grow up or listen to them grow up. He knows in the first minute of the game Watmough or T Rex is going to run at him and he has to commit himself 100%. But he will be back in hospital immediately if he gets his head 2 inches in the wrong spot or a stray boot gets him in a gang tackle. It's pretty frightening. If you asked someone who isn't a footy fan about this they'd probably say he has the choice between doing the smart thing or doing the selfish thing.

It defies belief that any doctor would give him the all clear 5 days after facial surgery and if they did then their ruling body will be asking questions (AMA?). The NRL will take no blame as every player is at risk and it is not obligatory for clubs or players to notify the NRL about injuries they are carrying. Just because everybody knows about this one doesn't mean the NRL can do anything to stop it I don't think. A tricky situation might be if he gets tackled illegally and the player is charged by the MRC. If the tackle is deemed intentional and the player pleads guilty it might open a can of worms. If the tackle is just a low grade 1 then they will say that Locky knew the inherent risks and it was pretty much a run of the mill tackle - getting hit in the head happens every game and every player knows that. Les Boyd was taken to court and maybe Bob Cooper back in the early '80's but they were for grub acts and not accidental high tackles.
The only person who could give Locky no say in the matter is Griffin because he could just not pick him.

I think Locky will be on his own, so to speak, if he runs on.
 
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I wonder if anyone is offering odds on the wound opening up during the match. Am I incorrect in thinking they would be pretty short? Soft tissue around the face, I can see contact with a shoulder or upper arm happening in a perfectly legal, unspectacular tackle. Not to mention what could happen by accident.

One thing is for certain, he won't get any grubs giving him a face rub after the tackle is completed.
 
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AlwaysGreen said:
If he is targeted, and I'm not talking head shots or that sort of thing, more the odd facial while he's been tackled etc is he fair game?

I say yes.

One of the great things about rugby league is its ruthfulness. Lockyer as well as anyone would know that if you spot a player with weakness you exploit it. It may not cause damage to Lockyer but the odd sly one to the injury would cause pain and may put him off his game.
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Nice post moron. Didn't you mean ruthlessness?
 
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maccattack said:
I think deciding to play is a stupid decision on Lockyers part. Firstly it should be taken out of his hands! Of course he is going to want to play. He is not in a position to make the call or at least shouldnt be. The club throwing their hands up and saying "oh well its up to him" is just a cop out.

Secondly, if the Broncs win, he has to play another game. Thats two games. Double the risk.

Even if the Broncs go all the way and win the GF with Lockyer unharmed, it is still a bad decision. It is a massive risk (blindness) for the sake of a premiership.
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Why don't you let Lockyer make the decision? It has nothing to do with you and nothing to do with anyone else.. He knows the risks, its his call if he wants to play and its his own face he is risking, nobody else's.

If he wants to play then let him play.

lol @ it being a bad decision if the broncos win the gf and lockyer being unharmed.. Yeah, im sure he'll really regret that
 
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Maybe he could borrow one of Meninga's old smelly arm plates he used to play in after his weekly arm break and mould a cheek shape out of it.

Seriously, he'll play but wouldn't it just be a reflex action to protect yourself? No disrespect to Locky but covering up all day is not going to help your team win.

As for the comment about Matai. I've never seen him deliberately head high anyone, nor elbow, gouge, pull hair or spit on anyone, let alone punch anyone. He goes for big hits and they don't always come off and he gets suspended and is deserved.

He'll go hard (as he should) on Heather but won't deliberately go high.
 
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I can understand that it is an awful way to end your footy career. Maybe he will have to rethink another season then? In any professional sport it's smart tactics to exploit the opponents weakness. (Eg: If it was a boxer with his right arm missing, the opponent would continually punch him in the left side of the head.) You can't blame Manly for doing everything legally in their power to win the game. That's what they would do regardless of having a fit or injured Lockyer.
The medical staff should be making the sensible call to stop him from further injury. It is too serious a risk to ignore.
How would it be if the Wolfman could wear a neckbrace and play the game as well? I guess both sides would have an injured player and be fair then but realistically...Lockyer should listen to his Mum and not risk any damage which he needs to look at the impact it will have on his family.
"You don't know what he's up against, someone (in the Manly side) could be disrespectful and maim him," Sharon Lockyer said.
Well...put better than that...he just simply cant expect Manly to pussyfoot around him either.
If it is so important he needs to make 2012 a comeback year and prove himself when he has healed.
 
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He can still play in the 4 nations tour. It won't be his last game if he decides not to play.
 
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seaeagle sam said:
Maybe he could borrow one of Meninga's old smelly arm plates he used to play in after his weekly arm break and mould a cheek shape out of it.

Seriously, he'll play but wouldn't it just be a reflex action to protect yourself? No disrespect to Locky but covering up all day is not going to help your team win.

As for the comment about Matai. I've never seen him deliberately head high anyone, nor elbow, gouge, pull hair or spit on anyone, let alone punch anyone. He goes for big hits and they don't always come off and he gets suspended and is deserved.

He'll go hard (as he should) on Heather but won't deliberately go high.
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Ha.
 
themidnightrider

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Lockyer is going to carve up. Unless that dog matai takes him out. Luckily Hodges and Thaiday dont react well to their mates being man handled. They have real passion unlike those manly grubs.
 
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Hodges and THAIDAY ARE THE Biggest sooks on a RL field. Hodges can only make a decent tackle on a bloke with a broken leg.

Besides, I thought Thaiday loved his mates being man handled - especially in the toilets at the Caxton.
 
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