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ICC ODI World Cup Oct-Nov 2023

King-Gutho94

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Daryl mitchell reminds everyone he is the most underrated batsman in the world. Bloke has scored 11 international hundreds from 62 innings in Tests and ODIs.

Averages 50+ in both formats.

With the Kiwis they had India worried for a little bit. If Kane had that shot just a few more metres over the rope perhaps Shami instead of being up and about is on the back foot at start of his spell.

Can't believe the Kiwis left out Jimmy Neesham was he injured.

And Tom Latham is a waste of spot I am sorry whatever leadership he provides surely isn't worth the lack of runs he scores against the big countries.

Conway could keep surely.
 

JJ

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Daryl mitchell reminds everyone he is the most underrated batsman in the world. Bloke has scored 11 international hundreds from 62 innings in Tests and ODIs.

Averages 50+ in both formats.

With the Kiwis they had India worried for a little bit. If Kane had that shot just a few more metres over the rope perhaps Shami instead of being up and about is on the back foot at start of his spell.

Can't believe the Kiwis left out Jimmy Neesham was he injured.

And Tom Latham is a waste of spot I am sorry whatever leadership he provides surely isn't worth the lack of runs he scores against the big countries.

Conway could keep surely.
The selection of Chapman over Neesham is strange, I really don't like it - given Chapman isn't bowling, then Neesham is clearly the better bat against quality attacks...

Mitchell really is good, I don't think comparisons with Voges are warranted anymore, aside from being picked later in his career

Disappointing overall, but to be honest with having Williamson out for much of the WC, being clearly underdone, losing Bracewell who they clearly wanted, and Henry who is elite in this form, we've done a good job. Aside from the dumbf**k decision against RSA we've troubled everyone, and been in positions to win games even when brutalised for a time by Aust and India

Latham is a funny one, Conway could definitely keep, don't think Phillips's back is up to it - but he's been good for us in general - the selection issue I have is really leaving out Neesham, who if we're talking about a finisher in big games against quality bowling is a much better option than Chapman...

Toss will be important for Aust too, RSA are very dangerous, but also strangely fragile...
 

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geez India in some red hot for atm, gonna take a very good effort to beat them and the BCCI
 

King-Gutho94

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The selection of Chapman over Neesham is strange, I really don't like it - given Chapman isn't bowling, then Neesham is clearly the better bat against quality attacks...

Mitchell really is good, I don't think comparisons with Voges are warranted anymore, aside from being picked later in his career

Disappointing overall, but to be honest with having Williamson out for much of the WC, being clearly underdone, losing Bracewell who they clearly wanted, and Henry who is elite in this form, we've done a good job. Aside from the dumbf**k decision against RSA we've troubled everyone, and been in positions to win games even when brutalised for a time by Aust and India

Latham is a funny one, Conway could definitely keep, don't think Phillips's back is up to it - but he's been good for us in general - the selection issue I have is really leaving out Neesham, who if we're talking about a finisher in big games against quality bowling is a much better option than Chapman...

Toss will be important for Aust too, RSA are very dangerous, but also strangely fragile...
Daryl Mitchell is a better comparison to Mike Hussey.
 

King-Gutho94

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geez India in some red hot for atm, gonna take a very good effort to beat them and the BCCI
Need a miracle I reckon.

Unfortunately we used ours up against Afghanistan.

Best chance is batting first basically Travis Head getting us off to a flyer. And Maxi going ballistic at the finish getting 370-380.

Bowling and fielding like our lives depend on it hopefully scoreboard pressure rattles India.

And Mitchell Starc bowls Rohit like he did to McCullum in the 1st over.
 

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Daryl Mitchell is a better comparison to Mike Hussey.
I'm sure Dazza would be ecstatic if anyone thought that - but yeah, he seems really focused and organised, and has just thrived in international cricket - probably didn't hurt that he spent some time in Straya as a kid, when his old man was coaching there - also has good genes, his old man was a hell of a rugby player, mentally and physically immense, and maligned unfairly as a coach
 

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geez India in some red hot for atm, gonna take a very good effort to beat them and the BCCI
they are - and top to bottom they are full of world class players, playing well, and then there's those broader tail winds that aren't hurting them
 

King-Gutho94

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I'm sure Dazza would be ecstatic if anyone thought that - but yeah, he seems really focused and organised, and has just thrived in international cricket - probably didn't hurt that he spent some time in Straya as a kid, when his old man was coaching there - also has good genes, his old man was a hell of a rugby player, mentally and physically immense, and maligned unfairly as a coach
Well there careers are pretty similar i feel except the hairline.

Mitchell like Hussey didn't make it into the International setup until late 20s or early 30s.

After finally getting picked is putting up numbers on a consistent basis.

Mitchell Averaging 57 after 18 tests and 52 after 39 ODIs.

I think Huss had better numbers then Mitchell at that stage of his career.

Decent fieldsman, bowls medium pace, middle order player who works the gaps well, great runner between wickets.

Can shift gears throughout an innings when its required like Hussey. Competent against Spin and Pace.

Just missing a glorious cover drive and right handed. Huss was left handed.
 

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Game day as South Africa v Australia battle it out to see who will become team India's next fodder.

Did someone say humdinger?
 

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Just missing a glorious cover drive and right handed. Huss was left handed.
I reckon Daz’s straight drive is his equivalent there- watching his highlights I’m not sure there’s anyone in the world better right now at launching them straight back over the bowler in perfect textbook fashion.
 

edabomb

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The selection of Chapman over Neesham is strange, I really don't like it - given Chapman isn't bowling, then Neesham is clearly the better bat against quality attacks...

Mitchell really is good, I don't think comparisons with Voges are warranted anymore, aside from being picked later in his career

Disappointing overall, but to be honest with having Williamson out for much of the WC, being clearly underdone, losing Bracewell who they clearly wanted, and Henry who is elite in this form, we've done a good job. Aside from the dumbf**k decision against RSA we've troubled everyone, and been in positions to win games even when brutalised for a time by Aust and India

Latham is a funny one, Conway could definitely keep, don't think Phillips's back is up to it - but he's been good for us in general - the selection issue I have is really leaving out Neesham, who if we're talking about a finisher in big games against quality bowling is a much better option than Chapman...

Toss will be important for Aust too, RSA are very dangerous, but also strangely fragile...
I don't think Latham is much of a funny one. Based on his play at this World Cup I can only deduce he's a specialist bowler.

I wonder what they'll do with Boult from here. He's noticeably diminished on his diet of T20. I guess they'll have him around for the next T20 World Cup but that should be his international swansong IMO.
 

King-Gutho94

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I don't think Latham is much of a funny one. Based on his play at this World Cup I can only deduce he's a specialist bowler.

I wonder what they'll do with Boult from here. He's noticeably diminished on his diet of T20. I guess they'll have him around for the next T20 World Cup but that should be his international swansong IMO.
NZ to do a mini rebuild.

Latham is not up to it.

Against the Big 4 in test Cricket (England, India, Australia, South Africa) he has 1 test hundred from 68 innings and averages 27 from 37 tests against those 4 countries.

ODIs is similar - averages 32 against those 4 countries with 2 hundreds from 53 innings.

Kane will give up the ODI captaincy i suspect.

He will be 37 next ODI World Cup i think he will push through as a batsman and be there for that.

Boult & Southee are done the lemon has been squeezed dry.

Not sure what there depth is in the quicks. Kyle Jamieson has fallen off the radar.

Finn Allen is a prospect as an opening bat probably needs more experience.

Rachin Ravindra has been a revelation, Glenn Phillips is a handy all-round cricketer.

The Kiwis might have to tap into there feeder country South Africa for more talent.

Like always though they find a way to punch above there weight.
 

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NZ to do a mini rebuild.

Latham is not up to it.

Against the Big 4 in test Cricket (England, India, Australia, South Africa) he has 1 test hundred from 68 innings and averages 27 from 37 tests against those 4 countries.

ODIs is similar - averages 32 against those 4 countries with 2 hundreds from 53 innings.

Kane will give up the ODI captaincy i suspect.

He will be 37 next ODI World Cup i think he will push through as a batsman and be there for that.

Boult & Southee are done the lemon has been squeezed dry.

Not sure what there depth is in the quicks. Kyle Jamieson has fallen off the radar.

Finn Allen is a prospect as an opening bat probably needs more experience.

Rachin Ravindra has been a revelation, Glenn Phillips is a handy all-round cricketer.

The Kiwis might have to tap into there feeder country South Africa for more talent.

Like always though they find a way to punch above there weight.
The media here don't go that deep in their analysis. Even our commentators frequently mention him as our best test opener ever. Ludicrous when you go one layer deep on the numbers.

He's from the same province as the coach though so he's under no real world pressure.

Phillips is one who tends to also feast on lower quality bowling attacks. He can often look quite clueless swinging like a baseballer against quality bowling.
 
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lockyno1

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The Chokers are already admitting there nervous.

If Inglis is a true keeper he would reminding De Kock and the rest of the batters the moment they come out to bat.

Are you blokes going to choke again today.

Just keep reminding them they will fold.

We just can't catch a break lol

We'd rather the useless bloke play thanks SA!
 

JJ

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NZ to do a mini rebuild.

Latham is not up to it.

Against the Big 4 in test Cricket (England, India, Australia, South Africa) he has 1 test hundred from 68 innings and averages 27 from 37 tests against those 4 countries.

ODIs is similar - averages 32 against those 4 countries with 2 hundreds from 53 innings.

Kane will give up the ODI captaincy i suspect.

He will be 37 next ODI World Cup i think he will push through as a batsman and be there for that.

Boult & Southee are done the lemon has been squeezed dry.

Not sure what there depth is in the quicks. Kyle Jamieson has fallen off the radar.

Finn Allen is a prospect as an opening bat probably needs more experience.

Rachin Ravindra has been a revelation, Glenn Phillips is a handy all-round cricketer.

The Kiwis might have to tap into there feeder country South Africa for more talent.

Like always though they find a way to punch above there weight.
Jamieson came over to replace Henry, but is struggling with ongoing serious back issues, hopefully he's right now.

Batting wise, Ravrindra, Allen, and there are a few others coming through - and I think Phillips has a lot to offer, he's not just a baseball hitter, but with the T20 focus that's how he (and Allen) have headed sadly... I don't mind Latham, but struggle to understand the sycophancy from the media around him, he's not in a discussion for out best openers imo, yet they keep saying he's the guy...

Sadly I don't think there's much around to replace the aging pace bowlers, Ferguson and Milne are quick - but aging too, and Ferguson's fitness doesn't seem up to tests, and Milne's body has failed him... Think Wagner is the oldest, and most of the others around are plodders in every sense of the word
 
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