taipan
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So how big a population do you need for a club ?
My view 500,000.
So how big a population do you need for a club ?
My view 500,000.
Its not as simple as numbers of people, there is a number of factors. For example in simple terms you could take taipans argument and say 9 into Sydneys 4.5mill means 500k reach for each club. Of course the reality is very different with geographically isolated clubs like Cronulla, Manly, Penrith etc have far smaller local population and clubs like Souths, Bulldogs, eels etc reaching much bigger parts of Sydney. This is reflected in memberships, crowds and revenue (including appeal to sponsors)
Then you have somewhere like Perth with 2million people but of course only a small % of that will be interested in NRL and there is a lot of competition from other sports in that 2mill population, unlike say NQ who has 250k but little competition in a RL mad area.
Having said that if you don't have a decent size population to target and strong corporate support no amount of money from the NRL is going to help you stay in touch with the clubs who do have big city appeal unless you have a tiered grant system like AFL. Melbourne or Brisbane getting another $5mill extra grant is going to mean they are still way ahead of Cronulla or Manly who will get the same increase.
It would need some very strong corporate or strategic positioning arguments to consider putting a team in a regional city of less than 400k imo.
The Sutherland Shire doesn't even have half that.
If I was the NRL I would try to broker a deal where a city like Adelaide or Perth pays a Sydney club to take 2 or 3 games a year - then tack on some incentives for the city like promotion, potential origin or test matches or the Nines. The condition for the club is you have to lock it in for 5 years.
I'd like to know why Cullen believed that. Even with the revenue from the asset sales the sharks will still be in the region of $7-9mill a year behind the big boys. This is due to lower fanbase and difficulty attracting big sponsors.
There's a reason smith was targeting 20k crowds, he knows big crowds equals big revenue for clubs.
Re owning your own club, Souths earn more from playing at anz before they sell a box or ticket than sharks make in gate takings at shark park. You getbcatering and sponsorship but also have to pay for maintainence and game day costs not to mention finding tens of millions at some point to upgrade it.
Perth and Adelaide should have their own teams.
Bar Melbourne how many other cities/regions meet the 500k population criteria that don't have RL today ?
He checked not only the books, but did plenty of research on the development proposal ,and actually consulted.He is not as thick as we look.He is stating based on his research the club will be among the "big" boys.
Maybe Cullen should provide a link for you.You love links.
The fan base has grown substantially since his report and continues to grow.The stadium situation as it now stands is holding things back re crowd averages.
Well all sponsors boxes already sold out.Stadium sponsored.All except major sponsor ,which will not be at fire sale price too be sorted out.Ground signage monies all to the club.
If an A League team comes in there you can add further value.
We all want 20,000 crowds.He(Smith) was too concerned stuffing up the Tv deal looked OK at the start, ended up getting Jerry Hall's squeeze offside.
As has been stated from 2018 the code gets to arrange the schedule.Better opportunities then to get bigger crowds.
BTW you don't bring your average up, when you play in some regional areas such as Darwin and Cairns.Yes they are important.
Do you know how much the stadium sponsorship is worth pa at the sharks, or the liquor deal with the brewer?What percentage of the sponsors' boxes money the club gets?The food outlets pay also.
Of course there is maintenance, but that is well offset by the patronage of the Licenced club on game day food ,drinks and pokies.There are other activities such as a boxing bout on the grounds.
I have already mentioned how and where the monies will come from to effect Stadium upgrade.You have not been paying attention in class.
Wellington urban area overtook Christchurch a few years ago.Pretty much the three next priority areas for expansion.
Id like to see a NZ2 team to strengthen the game there but there is only Christchurch with a decent sized population and they have plenty of issues they are dealing with.
Some facts to back up such a sweeping statement is generally a good thing. You are around $8-9mill a year behind the big boys in revenue and losing $1mill a year with around $6mill of debt. From the figures Ive seen banded around from the development it is unlikely they will bring in that sort of money yearly.
You can see those figures re sponsorship gate and bar takings etc etc in your annual report.
f**kin Rugby code thing is a mess as Rugby Union is doing okay spreading itself around the globe ( daft merkins could of done that 100 years ago but were too elitist etc for that plan) yet Union is dying in Australia and League is doing what it does best and not moving despite the threats from lesser codes of Football i.e.Aussie Rules, Soccer and before Union.
Can't work a solution out ?
Unlike you I'm not going to put an actual price on anything ,until the residential development is completed, approval either given or not for another 200 units (making 900 plus in total) and hotel, retail rental come rolling in, leagues club is refurbished with high class restaurants looking out over Botany Bay.Developments completed at Shearebrook Landing near Wanda,huge unit developments at Caringbah North and Kirrawee.
That's the beauty of living nearby, you see bricks and cement ,bulldozers,cranes in action ,not relying on a keyboard tucked away near the Indian Ocean
Whether we exist in 3 or 5 years will be up to "global warming" ,every rl fan in the Shire carking it, a governing body that wants their opposition codes to have a picnic.
In the meantime you will continue to whine and death ride every NRL club in Sydney,because you care about yourself only.
LOL The ineptitude turned out to be the correct decision by the club saving millions in terms of legals by reinstating those people and retaining Flanno.The rest is history,as I see every time I walk into the Leagues club foyer, seeing Provan Summons trophy standing proud,and the fans' money continue to roll in.
Cullen calls a spade a spade, he sees ineptitude he calls it.he sees the development potential and noted it.You can't have it both ways.
Seeing the $500,000 did not include the effects of the Grand Final win,nor the huge patronage increase since,they have set themselves up nicely.Books get closed off at certain dates
As opposed to PR's phantom Perth NRL team, made or lost how much in 2016? And were watched by how many? And their licenced club and ground brought how many fans? Season ticket sales going well?
Whilst ever you continue to death ride other clubs, you will never win fans or influence people.