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Pippen94

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By that logic, the death of North Sydney, Western Suburbs, Balmain should have lead to reduced TV earnings or meant less overall supporters. It hasn’t

In any case, this is a Clayton’s argument. No Sydney team is going to die but if you want the game to grow and you think the product is good (which it is unquestionably) then give the product to new fans.

Interest level in north Sydney & inner west the lowest. Wonder why?!
 

Colk

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Interest level in north Sydney & inner west the lowest. Wonder why?!

We have talked about this in other post. I can’t be stuffed scouring over posts to look for my response but essentially you took a table sans any detailed analysis and relied upon it to provide an all encompassing view. For example, an analysis would detail the longtime trends of RL support pre and post the expulsion of these clubs and uncovered whether these suburbs haveexperienced significant demographic and socio-economic shifts, movement of people from other areas into these areas etc.

Even then, let’s say that you were right and that interest was massive in those areas and that it had suddenly dropped due to the expulsion of these sides, the question was: has the overall support for the game grown and has the TV dollars also increased?

Again though the point argued by the majority of people is not that we remove Sydney teams because it is unlikely to happen but whether we should expand the game to other areas where there are no teams
 
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Brl swallowed up Ipswich only to be swallowed up by nswrl. Always going yo happen.
Brisbane is a capital city and the largest market between Sydney and Singapore. No point projecting the fate of Newcastle and Wollongong on Brisbane. There's just more capital available in capital cities like Brisbane than smaller regional cities like Newcastle.

If BRL had access to pokies from 1956 then 3 or 4 of its clubs would have joined up with 8 or 9 NSWRL clubs to form a national competition. There's no way all clubs from Brisbane and Sydney would have survived. Inner city clubs from both cities were always going to go broke, regardless of whether they had pokies, and that's exactly what happened. South Sydney, North Sydney, Sydney Wests, Balmain, Fortitude Valley, Western Suburbs, Southern Suburbs and Pastoral Brothers all succumbed to the pressure of being sandwiched into small regions with changing demographics due to gentrification.

South Sydney have turned things around on the back of Russell Crowe, Peter Holmes-a-Court and Kerry Packer. Holmes-a-Court has pulled up stumps and if Crowe and Packer do too then the club could be in trouble.

Despite all your bluster about Sydney clubs being stronger because they're in Sydney, the fact remains that most of them rely on pokies to stay afloat and are weaker than Broncos, Cowboys, Raiders and Storm. Dolphins, Easts Tigers and arguably Wynnum Manly are also stronger than most Sydney clubs since gaining access to pokies.

Well that's not true cause teams like South's, parra, saints have fans all over country, but losing 50% of fans in Sydney would f sport because that's where most come from

If these clubs have so many fans in every state and territory then how come the ratings for 9Gem in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth are so poor when they are on FTA?

If there's tens of thousands of fans following these clubs all over Australia then the combined ratings on 9Gem for an Elmer Fudds vs Eels game across Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth wouldn't be less than 15k.
 
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Colk

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North sydney.... dumbassthhh hehe

The Bears aren’t the future of anything (sorry Bears fans). They either move away from NSW/QLD and get a licence or accept their fate, allow their area to be partitioned like what happened with Newtown and stay in the NSW Cup.

The impasse over that area needs to stop
 

Pippen94

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Brisbane is a capital city and the largest market between Sydney and Singapore. No point projecting the fate of Newcastle and Wollongong on Brisbane. There's just more capital available in capital cities like Brisbane than smaller regional cities like Newcastle.

If BRL had access to pokies from 1956 then 3 or 4 of its clubs would have joined up with 8 or 9 NSWRL clubs to form a national competition. There's no way all clubs from Brisbane and Sydney would have survived. Inner city clubs from both cities were always going to go broke, regardless of whether they had pokies, and that's exactly what happened. South Sydney, North Sydney, Sydney Wests, Balmain, Fortitude Valley, Western Suburbs, Southern Suburbs and Pastoral Brothers all succumbed to the pressure of being sandwiched into small regions with changing demographics due to gentrification.

South Sydney have turned things around on the back of Russell Crowe, Peter Holmes-a-Court and Kerry Packer. Holmes-a-Court has pulled up stumps and if Crowe and Packer do too then the club could be in trouble.

Despite all your bluster about Sydney clubs being stronger because they're in Sydney, the fact remains that most of them rely on pokies to stay afloat and are weaker than Broncos, Cowboys, Raiders and Storm. Dolphins, Easts Tigers and arguably Wynnum Manly are also stronger than most Sydney clubs since gaining access to pokies.



If these clubs have so many fans in every state and territory then how come the ratings for 9Gem in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth are so poor when they are on FTA?

If there's tens of thousands of fans following these clubs all over Australia then the combined ratings on 9Gem for an Elmer Fudds vs Eels game across Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth wouldn't be less than 15k.

Ha. How does Brisbane compare to Sydney?! Brisbane closer to Newcastle/Hunter in stature.

Funny Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane, Newcastle, Auckland, Ipswich etc all saw their competitions diminish when sides representing their area entered bigger comps. Just reality
 

Pippen94

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We have talked about this in other post. I can’t be stuffed scouring over posts to look for my response but essentially you took a table sans any detailed analysis and relied upon it to provide an all encompassing view. For example, an analysis would detail the longtime trends of RL support pre and post the expulsion of these clubs and uncovered whether these suburbs haveexperienced significant demographic and socio-economic shifts, movement of people from other areas into these areas etc.

Even then, let’s say that you were right and that interest was massive in those areas and that it had suddenly dropped due to the expulsion of these sides, the question was: has the overall support for the game grown and has the TV dollars also increased?

Again though the point argued by the majority of people is not that we remove Sydney teams because it is unlikely to happen but whether we should expand the game to other areas where there are no teams

Why do ppl refuse to brleive an area losing it's team would result in huge decrease in interest there?! Guess doesn't fit their narrative, although makes them sound dumb.

So Perth increases TV dollars when nine & fox wanted Brisbane 2 & had no position on Perth?! More subscribers & viewers for game to be had in nsw/qld.
 

Colk

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Why do ppl refuse to brleive an area losing it's team would result in huge decrease in interest there?! Guess doesn't fit their narrative, although makes them sound dumb.

So Perth increases TV dollars when nine & fox wanted Brisbane 2 & had no position on Perth?! More subscribers & viewers for game to be had in nsw/qld.

I’m not saying that there wasn’t a decrease of interest in those areas due to the loss of a side but I’m saying that it is far too simplistic to say that is the only cause.

If I recall correctly, you used one table to present a view that the loss of the Bears meant that there is no interest, without addressing the fact that the area without any team has the highest interest or that there are areas in Sydney that have a team (most notably Eastern Suburbs who have a very successful side) whose interest, or lack thereof, is equivalent to North Sydney.

Maybe, just maybe, the lack of interest in League in North Sydney was longstanding and that caused the death of the Bears, not the other way around? Maybe that area has had high migration from people who don’t traditionally follow League? Maybe this is emblematic of League struggling to attract white collar/corporate support?

In any case, rather than having this mind numbing debate about the loss of supporters caused by the loss of certain sides, how about you concentrate on the fact that the amount of overall supporters has increased, not decreased since the Bears were folded? Or does that not fit your narrative? The amount of supporters would also increase if you expand further
 
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Ha. How does Brisbane compare to Sydney?! Brisbane closer to Newcastle/Hunter in stature.

Funny Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane, Newcastle, Auckland, Ipswich etc all saw their competitions diminish when sides representing their area entered bigger comps. Just reality
  • Brisbane is the commercial centre of Queensland.
  • Newcastle is not the commercial hub of NSW.
  • Brisbane has 2.5m people.
  • Newcastle has 500k.
  • Brisbane's media is in a metropolitan area whereas Newcastle's is regional. Laws prevent metropolitan broadcasters from owning networks in regional Australia. At least they did in the 80s. Money is made in metropolitan areas.
  • More business and people means more money available from companies due to more consumers. A BRL club is going to have more resources available for these reasons.
 
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siv

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Ha. How does Brisbane compare to Sydney?! Brisbane closer to Newcastle/Hunter in stature.

Funny Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane, Newcastle, Auckland, Ipswich etc all saw their competitions diminish when sides representing their area entered bigger comps. Just reality
That was because in each if those areas the "regional representative team" joined

It takes around 20 years to recover
 

mongoose

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Ha. How does Brisbane compare to Sydney?! Brisbane closer to Newcastle/Hunter in stature.
it is not, Brisbane is somewhere in between, it's a lot lot bigger than Newcastle in terms of size, population and economy and yes Sydney is at least double the size of Brisbane.
 
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it is not, Brisbane is somewhere in between, it's a lot lot bigger than Newcastle in terms of size, population and economy and yes Sydney is at least double the size of Brisbane.
The problem with what @Pippen94 is saying is he's naively assuming the overall interest in RL across Brisbane, Newcastle and Sydney is relatively equal. It ain't. Much of Sydney's 5m people are immigrants who don't care for rugby league, hence the reason most Sydney clubs struggle to draw 10k fans to a home match against an interstate club.

Then there's the class divide factor.

The Roosters are located in the most populous region in Australia, but many of its residents are yuppies who couldn't give a f**k about regularly attending sporting events. The few yuppies who do attend events do so to network with other yuppies, and this group are more likely to tag onto fumbleball and onionball as those games have better connections with the commercial sector.
 

Perth Red

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Why do ppl refuse to brleive an area losing it's team would result in huge decrease in interest there?! Guess doesn't fit their narrative, although makes them sound dumb.

So Perth increases TV dollars when nine & fox wanted Brisbane 2 & had no position on Perth?! More subscribers & viewers for game to be had in nsw/qld.
except nine and fox didn’t pay any more cash for brisbane2, that’s how badly they wanted it lol
 

Wb1234

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Be careful what you wish for

vlandys and the Sydney clubs really want to move to conferences and the non Sydney clubs are already complaining

I think once they get to 20 teams they will split it into two conferences
 

Pippen94

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  • Brisbane is the commercial centre of Queensland.
  • Newcastle is not the commercial hub of NSW.
  • Brisbane has 2.5m people.
  • Newcastle has 500k.
  • Brisbane's media is in a metropolitan area whereas Newcastle's is regional. Laws prevent metropolitan broadcasters from owning networks in regional Australia. At least they did in the 80s. Money is made in metropolitan areas.
  • More business and people means more money available from companies due to more consumers. A BRL club is going to have more resources available for these reasons.

Sydney shits on Brisbane more than Brisbane does on Newcastle
 
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