If you drop Hindmarsh now you may as well say he was never a great player

[Grail]

Grail i agree, the centre you a missing i believe should be tahu if he is fit, he can break the line, we have all seen it before, even ben smith would do a much better job than cooper and lyon

I'd not have either Tahu or Smith in there. Tahu has missed to much footy, and is a liability with injury atm, and Smith maybe in a couple years, but atm I don't know if he has the game. I'm an eels fan and would love Smith to get a shot, but not even I can be that biased.

For the life of me though, I can't think of any other centres for NSW - I'm having a bit of a brain dead moment it would appear.

 

[hindmarsh4pm]

the problem with the nsw is the selectors and coach, they need to pick on form instead of guys who have done the job before

 

[hindmarsh4pm]

I'd not have either Tahu or Smith in there. Tahu has missed to much footy, and is a liability with injury atm, and Smith maybe in a couple years, but atm I don't know if he has the game. I'm an eels fan and would love Smith to get a shot, but not even I can be that biased.

For the life of me though, I can't think of any other centres for NSW - I'm having a bit of a brain dead moment it would appear.

to be honest he is better than lyon and cooper at the moment and they are both getting a run, so why not give smith a go. its game 3 nothing to lose, lyon and copper have not done much this series give the guy a game

 

[Grail]

Centres this week...

Bulldogs: 3. Daryl Millard 4. Tim Winitana
Broncos: 3. Darius Boyd 4. Justin Hodges
Sea Eagles: 3. Steve Bell 4. Steve Matai
Rabbitohs: 3. Nigel Vagana 4. Fetuli Talanoa
Sharks: 3. Ben Pomeroy 4. Reece Williams
Warriors: 3. Tony Martin 4. Lance Hohaia
Panthers: 3. Michael Jennings 4. Luke Lewis
Roosters: 3. Joel Monaghan 4. Sia Soliola
Cowboys: 3. Scott Minto 4. Ashley Graham
Storm: 3. Matt King 4. Anthony Quinn
Eels: 3. Ben Smith 4. Krisnan Inu
Dragons: 3. Chase Stanley 4. Matt Cooper
Tigers: 3. Dean Collis 4. Paul Whatuira
Titans: 3. Mat Rogers 4. Brett Delaney
Knights: 3. Luke MacDougall 4. Brad Tighe
Raiders: 3. Marshall Chalk 4. Colin Best

So it seems that there is a dearth of real centre talent in the NRL atm anyway. There are some good players, but a lot of average players in this position atm. Most of the good players (or players in good form) are not eligible for NSW.

 

[The Colonel]

Dean Collis, Luke Lewis, Matt King, Ben Smith..... probably in that order at the moment.

 

[hindmarsh4pm]

exactly matt king is a centre, so i dont understand why nsw are picking players out of poistion

 

[Grail]

they've always done it... it's just part and parcel of the way the NSW selectors operate. And playing non-specialist wingers is the most common thing that they do. The day we see 2 specialist wingers selected for NSW will be a minor miracle.

 

[parramaniac2516]

Im sorry take a look at the way Hindy plays for Parra and the way he has played Origin since Murray has taken over as Coach. Its obvious there is a big difference and in the end i dont care if he gets dropped because it just means he plays for Parra.

I think you have to look more at the coach i mean how is it NSW have played sh*t even since Murray has come in???

2006

Game 1: Played a good first half but a joke of a second half and barely wonthis game

Game 2: Got smashed

Game 3: Lost the game when we were leading comfortably with not long left and could not finish QLD

2007

Game 1: Once again lead and let the game get away

Game 2: Probaly our best chance to win and we still couldnt

Also it seems NSW dont compete in the second half.

 

[skeepe]

Tongue is a very underrated player. He has the heart, just not the physical aspect to back it up. He doesn't bust tackles, and that is something that Hindmarsh does regularly... except this years SOO. You'll note my first post mentioned this aspect of Hindmarsh's game.

That is the one thing that is making Hindmarsh's game less than what it was. So, no Tongue doesn't do it better, but yes he does do it.

However, I don't agree that Hindmarsh should be dropped for that, but agree that he probably will. The problem lies elsewhere in the NSW team, not with Hindmarsh's lack of penetration this year.

I was referring to your post about Hindmarsh doing the little things... backing up, being there in defence and so on. Those are the things I believe Tongue does better than any player in the competition.

You're right, Tongue doesn't bust tackles on a regular basis, but the Raiders don't need him to perform that role either. He is always there in support, and being put through a gap, or putting others into gaps. And when the team needs a leader, he takes it upon himself and leads from the front.

I wouldn't hesitate, were I a NSW selector, to include him on the bench. The man is passion personified, unfortunately for him he wears lime green and won't get the recognition he deserves.

 

[Grail]

We'll agree that Tongue doesn't get the recognition he deserves, but then I guess there are a lot of players out there that fall into that situation. Tongue is a good player, and lets leave it at that. No point turning this into a my player is better than your player slanging match... coz the next thing we'll have the tape measures out. :shock:

 

[Bigfella]

Thats NSW problem right there, all this pre-occupation with "fringe runners". You cant have an entire forward pack made up of "fringe runners"

Never a truer word spoken.

NSW lost this series in two areas: Props, and Halves. In all other areas we were as good as, or better than Qld (even though C Smith definitely got the better of Buderus).

We lack big men who run straight and hard in any situation.

We then inexplicably try to make this up by shuffling our many backrowers around yet consistently lacking a genuine roll forward that allows your dummy half and halves to do real damage. And our halves needed plenty of help, as talent wise they were so far behind Qld.

 

[Pigskin]

I've stated many times how overrated Hindmarsh is in my eyes ... but one thing I will say in his defence

You can't have both him and Ryan in the same starting side ... they are clones who both offer very little in attack

If you play one of them, they should play for 80 minutes and make 50 tackles ... allowing you to play destructive and creative forwards around them

There is room for only one of them in the NSW side ... but in saying that, given the lack of creativity by the halves in the last 2 years they have now both earned the right to be dropped

A hard decision needs to be made by selectors - and I bet they whimp out

Oink !

 

[Bazal]

I honestly fail to see the reason Hindmarsh should be dropped. Sure, he hasn't had his best ever series, but he still tackled like a demon, scored a try (whether he got it down or not, it's on the books now) and cleaned up all the little problems that came his way. I think those saying it's not that he is incorrectly used have either not watched him in club footy this year or are skeepe and have a delusional vendetta...Hindmarsh is one of Parramatta's top try scorers and metre makers, and for once I believe he is actually outside the top 10 tacklers in the comp. Why? Because Hagan is using Wagon, Ian Hindy and Robinson to make the tackles, and uses Nathan in a more 2001 type role running at holes and weak defenders. With his deceptive speed and great leg drive, he's making metres and busts, and putting guys like Burt and Hayne into gaps. Yet when this doesn't happen in Origin, it can't be poor coaching :roll:

 

[Y2Eel]

I've stated many times how overrated Hindmarsh is in my eyes ... but one thing I will say in his defence

You can't have both him and Ryan in the same starting side ... they are clones who both offer very little in attack

If you play one of them, they should play for 80 minutes and make 50 tackles ... allowing you to play destructive and creative forwards around them

There is room for only one of them in the NSW side ... but in saying that, given the lack of creativity by the halves in the last 2 years they have now both earned the right to be dropped

A hard decision needs to be made by selectors - and I bet they whimp out

Oink !

I agree 1000% Same as Watmough, Hard to say but Watmough should be in instead of them 2...

 

[hindmarsh4pm]

you guys will notice how much nsw need hindmarsh if he is dropped. give tim sheens or craig bellamy the job and watch them use hindy the way he is meant to be used, ricky stuart did it when he was coach and hindy had an awesome series, was even a nominee for rep player of the year

 

[hineyrulz]

I can't believe all the Stick Ryan and Hindmarsh are getting, besides Bailey our front rowers we're non existent. We we're camped in Qlds half the whole second half and couldn't score a point. And that's the forwards fault???

Our attack was a disgrace, we had all that ball and didn't look like scoring. Noddy tried hard but our whole game in attack was structured around him. Murray is the chief culprit, we looked like chooks with our heads cut off in attack. What did they do all week, circle jerks???

 

[scuzzi]

NSW need to stop playing the safe option with their backrow. The form backrowers of the comp are guys like gallen, bird, hoffman and watmough. Drop Ryan and White. Promote gallen bird and hoffman into the starting back row and bench hindmarsh and mason so they can come on fresh and (in the case of hindmarsh) actually do a few hitups and break the line occasionally.

 

[hindmarsh4pm]

NSW need to stop playing the safe option with their backrow. The form backrowers of the comp are guys like gallen, bird, hoffman and watmough. Drop Ryan and White. Promote gallen bird and hoffman into the starting back row and bench hindmarsh and mason so they can come on fresh and (in the case of hindmarsh) actually do a few hitups and break the line occasionally.

OMG some people on here have no clue, scuzzi i take it that you are not a parra fan or do not watch parra games or have not watched a parra game the last few years.

you want hindy to take more hit-ups and break the line? then it comes back to the way the coach plays him, if you watch parra games hagan has him running wide and plays him for 80, this just contiuosly frustrates the guys that are defending him and allows him to get his hands on the ball more and run when he wants, taking him off for 20 minutes last night resulted in hindy not having a good attacking game.

those who also think he offers nothing, look at origin 1, hindy comes off and qld score quick tries and take the momentum away from nsw. no it wasn't just a coincidence that hindmarsh was off when qld scored, it happens all the time for parra to, when he gets taken off even if it is for 5 minutes the other team score.

 

[scuzzi]

"you want hindy to take more hit-ups and break the line? then it comes back to the way the coach plays him, if you watch parra games hagan has him running wide and plays him for 80" hindmarsh4pm

fair enough hindmarsh plays like that in the nrl, but queensland would run rings around him if he was made to play 80 mins of origin football. Ryan and HIndmarsh are too similar. Tackling machines, no creativity in attack cause their tired from tackling!Bring him off the bench in game three to piss him off, and watch him go nuts. Give him a chance to do something different. NSW are WAY to predicatable at the moment!

 

[hindmarsh4pm]

yeah crap attacker good call because our backs are just amazing attackers at the moment ey they are on fire and hard to stop, drop him from nsw who cares. he'll be at his attacking best for parra and thats all i care about.