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I'm not usually one of the scapegoat crowd...

hybrideel

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Stupid iPhone.

Story of our season.
Keating not passing was stupid.
Looked like Ryles dropped it.
Hayne not diving on the ball I can understand, have you ever tried to dive on a rolling ball at full speed with defenders right on your arse without knocking it on? I think the kick forward was a better option, just once again the story of our season that the kick did 't go right.
Fui had the ball stripped.
What I can't believe is the people who are saying that he is purposely doing showpony stuff and is more interested in highlights than winning. I think he does tend to overthink things however and should just simplify his game a bit.
What did annoy me about Jarryd however was when he chased a kickthrough and the roosters made a break, he was 10 meters behind but didn't chase. There was about 10 to go at the time. So either he couldn't be bothered of he was too buggered.
 

bartman

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What did annoy me about Jarryd however was when he chased a kickthrough and the roosters made a break, he was 10 meters behind but didn't chase. There was about 10 to go at the time. So either he couldn't be bothered of he was too buggered.
I noticed that too, they made a break almost right past where he was and he just jogged instead of giving a shit, using his sprint training, and giving chase. Roosters made about 50 metres on that break without Jarryd making any effort at all, and were then in position to put on points. Too lazy imo, even if he still has these potential gamebreaker capabilities.
 

Eels Dude

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We'll be fringe 8 at best next year. You only have to look at the way we have folded so many times this year to see how mentally weak we are. I do think that two good signings (Kapow & Willie) will strengthen crucial positions, but we have a long way to go to compete with teams like Manly Storm etc on mental toughness.

SK seems like he's too nice. He may have learned off Bellamy but you only need to look at the difference at how they behave in the coaches box as to their different personalities. I doubt he get angry and gives the players the dressing down they need after bad performances like this.
 

Bazal

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Lol...it's refreshing to yet again see that Hayne is beyond criticism for some. I love that the defence is usually "he's our best player so he's excused for making those horrible mistakes" or "yeah but he did x, so that makes up for y and z!!!" There is no doubt he is out most talented player, and for me that only makes the two passes worse. He clearly has the ability to put those balls on Hicks' chest if he only looked where Hicks was...and things like that, taking the pretty option of not looking, or trying to toe the ball ahead for a miracle try, are exactly what is stopping him from being our best player. At the moment, he's not even top 3 for me...all the talent in the world is no good to you if you haven't got a brain to utilise it properly. Deadset, Keating is being crucified (and rightly so) for bombing a try...well Hayne bombed two, but the excuses keep rolling. Ludicrous

I really can't be f**ked quoting every single post, so let me ask two simple questions of everyone who disagrees;

1-Regardless of where Hicks was on either pass (and I for one think he was in good position on the first one), what is the logical excuse for a playmaker not looking where he is passing the ball? It's not a hard thing to do and if he had, we win the game.

2-Again, what is the logical excuse for going the low percentage toe through, not once but twice, with the game in the balance and the opportunity for a full set in field goal range?

Simple fact is, he f**ked up. Badly. And we lost the game
 

oldmancraigy

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I noticed that too, they made a break almost right past where he was and he just jogged instead of giving a shit, using his sprint training, and giving chase. Roosters made about 50 metres on that break without Jarryd making any effort at all, and were then in position to put on points. Too lazy imo, even if he still has these potential gamebreaker capabilities.

Yeahhhhhh


If that's the play late in the game where hayne put in a super 60m kick, sitting in their in-goal, and then was the only chaser down there to take on 3 roosters?

mmhm - that's on him 4 shjuuure
 

Daneel

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i agree with Bazal. Though most fans will continue blaming Burt/Keating/Horo since Hayne is untouchable. .


here is the thing, they are all responsible, everyone of them. Bazal wants to blame hayne, fair enough, hayne certainly has some ownership for the loss. He is also responsible for a some of the good that happened on the field, but when we want to blame someone solely for a loss any good they did seems to have no relevence. It is rarely if ever one persons fault.
 

hybrideel

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Lol...it's refreshing to yet again see that Hayne is beyond criticism for some. I love that the defence is usually "he's our best player so he's excused for making those horrible mistakes" or "yeah but he did x, so that makes up for y and z!!!" There is no doubt he is out most talented player, and for me that only makes the two passes worse. He clearly has the ability to put those balls on Hicks' chest if he only looked where Hicks was...and things like that, taking the pretty option of not looking, or trying to toe the ball ahead for a miracle try, are exactly what is stopping him from being our best player. At the moment, he's not even top 3 for me...all the talent in the world is no good to you if you haven't got a brain to utilise it properly. Deadset, Keating is being crucified (and rightly so) for bombing a try...well Hayne bombed two, but the excuses keep rolling. Ludicrous

I really can't be f**ked quoting every single post, so let me ask two simple questions of everyone who disagrees;

1-Regardless of where Hicks was on either pass (and I for one think he was in good position on the first one), what is the logical excuse for a playmaker not looking where he is passing the ball? It's not a hard thing to do and if he had, we win the game.

2-Again, what is the logical excuse for going the low percentage toe through, not once but twice, with the game in the balance and the opportunity for a full set in field goal range?

Simple fact is, he f**ked up. Badly. And we lost the game

Well i can't comment on the first one as i haven't seen a replay, however if it was a no looker then i'd say in that instance it wasn't the right play.

the 2nd point i think the kick through had as much chance of coming off as diving on the ball would. both are low percentage plays. what would you be saying if he dived on the ball and knocked it on?

I will admit i'm a Hayne fan and i think he get's as much unfair criticism from people who expect him to win games for us on his own and put the blame on him when it doesn't happen as there are people who will defend his every move.
I like to think i'm in the middle there as i will say when i think he has screwed up
 

bartman

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Yeahhhhhh


If that's the play late in the game where hayne put in a super 60m kick, sitting in their in-goal, and then was the only chaser down there to take on 3 roosters?

mmhm - that's on him 4 shjuuure
You're probably the guy's biggest cheerleader on here each week OMC, and fair enough, each to their own.

But are your really blind to the deficits in Hayne's game (regardless of what position he is sleected/playing in), and only capable of seeing the shiny good bits instead? I want the guy to go well too, but (especially coaches, teammates and the club) praising him instead of telling him the bigger picture, will never see Hayne improve and play to/recapture his potential.
 

Kornstar

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Lol...it's refreshing to yet again see that Hayne is beyond criticism for some. I love that the defence is usually "he's our best player so he's excused for making those horrible mistakes" or "yeah but he did x, so that makes up for y and z!!!" There is no doubt he is out most talented player, and for me that only makes the two passes worse. He clearly has the ability to put those balls on Hicks' chest if he only looked where Hicks was...and things like that, taking the pretty option of not looking, or trying to toe the ball ahead for a miracle try, are exactly what is stopping him from being our best player. At the moment, he's not even top 3 for me...all the talent in the world is no good to you if you haven't got a brain to utilise it properly. Deadset, Keating is being crucified (and rightly so) for bombing a try...well Hayne bombed two, but the excuses keep rolling. Ludicrous

I really can't be f**ked quoting every single post, so let me ask two simple questions of everyone who disagrees;

1-Regardless of where Hicks was on either pass (and I for one think he was in good position on the first one), what is the logical excuse for a playmaker not looking where he is passing the ball? It's not a hard thing to do and if he had, we win the game.

2-Again, what is the logical excuse for going the low percentage toe through, not once but twice, with the game in the balance and the opportunity for a full set in field goal range?

Simple fact is, he f**ked up. Badly. And we lost the game

beyond criticism? Hardly! All his fault, most definitely not!!! That is why people are arguing with you.
 

Maroubra Eel

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Hopefully SK gets rid of Haynes so we won't have to worry about how crap he is.

Can't wait till his contracts up.
 

oldmancraigy

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You're probably the guy's biggest cheerleader on here each week OMC, and fair enough, each to their own.

But are your really blind to the deficits in Hayne's game (regardless of what position he is sleected/playing in), and only capable of seeing the shiny good bits instead? I want the guy to go well too, but (especially coaches, teammates and the club) praising him instead of telling him the bigger picture, will never see Hayne improve and play to/recapture his potential.

Hardly.

But if you're going to criticize, do it on something worthwhile...
 

J-sin

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I think Bazal has totally swayed my opinion and I now think he is 100% correct.
The Ref missing Ryles' knock on and awarding the try without going upstairs - Hayne's fault
Keating not passing to the overlap on the left - Totally Hayne's fault
Hicks not being able to pick up a ball and letting it go through his legs - yep, Hayne's fault
Fuifui getting stripped in golden point and the refs missing it - Come on Hayne what were you thinking?

I can see now how all this was Hayne's fault....
Ok Bazal, you were right can u ever forgive me for ever for doubting you. Let's just hope he get's relegated to NSW cup next year and we never have to put up with watching this guy play for Parra again.
 
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Parraletic

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I'm sorry but Jarryd needs a good kick in the ass by Kearnery! Not diving on that loose ball after defending 2 sets on our line was just dumb. The way he played last night was like he wasn't interested most of the game. This guy can be brilliant & has won us many games in the past, but he can do some stupid things when his head is with the pixies. Wake up showpony!
 

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