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Angry_eel

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This thread reminds me of Parra supporters in 2008. "Lets sack everyone including the captain and then we'll have a great team". I doubt culling so many players will result in improvement.
 

Matt23

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Well the coaches (Nielson & Langer) and all the selectors need to go for starters, I reckon Ponting & Hussey will both retire.
 

aqua_duck

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Two different positions, Boyce is being picked as a full time legspinner. Smith is a batsman that can bowl. Smith is averaging 20 with the bat this year..lets not pretend he is in form. Boyce deserves a crack.

Smith is a superior bowler to Boyce, his batting is about a hundred times better and he's better in the field too. If hes not performing with the bat he ahould be picked as a spinner before Boyce. Boyce averages 55 with the ball at 1st class level if that's deserving of a baggy green than we're in some strife, let's not pretend like he's killing it at state level
 

JJ

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Can we really go much worse..we just got rolled by a average side for 98!:lol:

They are a good side... you are a poor side...

tbh, I'd keep the experience... of Hughes and Smith truly are the best options then you need to perservere with them, and they're better off learning test cricket with Ponting (at 4 o 5 tho) and Hussey in the team
 

ANTiLAG

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Smells like the 80's in the ACA but without a decent captain in AB.

Plan A - Drop everyone not performing and old.

If Plan A does not work - Plan B

Plan B - Reinstate those dropped for Plan A.
 

hineyrulz

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If it wasn't already bad enough with Australia about to lose the Ashes Locky is now a Parra supporter :(
 
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The problems at the moment -

- Johnson is not only inconsistent between games, but even between spells, and needs to seriously rectify this and find more consistency in his game

- Siddle and Harris are carbon-copies, both in the Craig McDermott/Merv Hughes mould, with decent pace, good workrates and plenty of aggression, but little more than that; the team probably shouldn't be carrying both of them

- Hilfenhaus is in the team as the line-and-length seam/swing bowler, but his incisiveness is questionable in conditions where the ball doesn't swing late, and maybe someone like McKay, George, Copeland or Hazlewood (each being tall and very accurate) would be better long term prospects

- Hughes and Smith can be forgiven for failures, as they are youth shifting into a previously fixed team; the bigger problem is the consistent failures of Ponting and Clarke, who are expected as not only the 3 and 4, but the captain and vice-captain, to lead by example

- our most effective batsman has been Hussey, who is definitely aging and until this series has been largely inconsistent for the past 2 years, so unless this is a late renaissance, the Australian team shouldn't be banking all their hopes in Hussey

Solutions:

I would drop one of Siddle or Harris for either Bollinger or a specialist spinner (depending on the pitch) to give the attack a bit more variety. I would also give Hilfenhaus maybe another 6 months to show he can operate in changing Test match conditions, and if he can't then the Australian team can look towards McKay (VIC), Hazlewood (NSW), Copeland (NSW) and George (SA), who can also generate extreme bounce and seam movement from their towering frames. Michael Hogan (WA) is another who I think should be looked at.

I would stick with Smith and Hughes for now, give them at least another 2-3 series to see if they find their form. They are both long term prospects and have demonstrated their tremendous potential before. North has already been discarded, and I would consider setting the example by dropping Clarke, maybe sending a message through to the other more established players in the team that they have to keep their form up to keep their spots.
 

ANTiLAG

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The Mack, its is all very well suggesting the 4 prong seam attack needs variation and suggest variety by way of a specialist spinner. What you fail to acknowledge is that Australia does not have a test quality spinner.

Harris is a good bowler, but to suggest Siddle is in the same league as Billy, or even Merv is ridiculous.
 

Twizzle

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we're going through a rebuilding stage, we just need more Bluebaggers in there
 

Twizzle

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The Mack, its is all very well suggesting the 4 prong seam attack needs variation and suggest variety by way of a specialist spinner. What you fail to acknowledge is that Australia does not have a test quality spinner.

Harris is a good bowler, but to suggest Siddle is in the same league as Billy, or even Merv is ridiculous.

I still believe the rug should be there with Harris, forget Beer I'd have SOK in there and just persevere with him

Notch and Siddle can be pretty hot and cold, not convinced
 
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The Mack, its is all very well suggesting the 4 prong seam attack needs variation and suggest variety by way of a specialist spinner. What you fail to acknowledge is that Australia does not have a test quality spinner.

Harris is a good bowler, but to suggest Siddle is in the same league as Billy, or even Merv is ridiculous.

I didn't say same league, it is the same style, same role of bowler. Workhorse, aggressive, but not much in the way of tremendous ability to swing or seam the ball, or express 145kph+ pace.
 

lockyno1

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They are a good side... you are a poor side...

tbh, I'd keep the experience... of Hughes and Smith truly are the best options then you need to perservere with them, and they're better off learning test cricket with Ponting (at 4 o 5 tho) and Hussey in the team

Both teams are average, England have only 1-2 real genuine stars in their lineup- Pieterson and Strauss. We are making their bowling attack look a heck of a lot better than it is.
 

TheParraboy

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This thread reminds me of Parra supporters in 2008. "Lets sack everyone including the captain and then we'll have a great team". I doubt culling so many players will result in improvement.

Hey, we pissed off coach Hagan, CEO Fitzy and try hard playmaker Brett Finch, brought in Morts and Robson, new coach, new CEO and made the grand final :cool:

Go Blue and Gold Locky :D
 

JJ

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Both teams are average, England have only 1-2 real genuine stars in their lineup- Pieterson and Strauss. We are making their bowling attack look a heck of a lot better than it is.

Strauss is not a "star"

Great teams don't need many stars anyway
 

TheParraboy

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Strauss is not a "star"

Great teams don't need many stars anyway

Hope your not calling England a great team


Over the last 30 years the two most talked about great sides of that era (WI and Aust), where littered with great players
 

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