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Is Channel 9 the home of rugby league?

mongoose

Coach
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V'landys won't allow it to happen, his involvement is to keep the status quo. That is Rugba League not fulfilling its potential and dinosaur organisations like 9 leeching off the game.
 

Heisenberg

Juniors
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Considering how fast the media landscape has changed in the last couple of years I hope that the NRL tell 9 to jam any contract extension nonsense. The way 9 is going they may not have the ability to pay for any years beyond 2022. Same for Fox as they also may not be around in 2 years from now

In my opinion the NRL need to look at streaming games on a pay per view model inserting their own ads during the halftime break etc and allow 2-3 games a week on another FTA broadcaster. Imagine how good the game could be promoted without the negative commentary and stale game productions that we get from 9.

If the digital arm of the NRL can't set this up in 2 years they could run with a year on year contract with Kayo and another FTA channel till they have it sorted.

An games under anti siphoning laws such as the GF and Origin could be sold on a game by game deal to competing networks. Remember the great coverage 7 gave in the last RLWC.

Go even further. Have the national broadcasters, a subscription for all games and then sell Knights away games to NBN, Dragons games that aren’t in Wollongong to WIN, Raiders away games to WIN/Prime Canberra etc. I’d imagine this could grow the product and the Clubs locally and increase crowds
 

TheRam

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Finally someone who has a memory and gets how previous events have impacted the NRL and its growth over the last 25 years. It can not be said enough how News Corp and Murdoch have successfully ruined the growth and success of RL.

Sure we have had dim witted leaders in power over this period who have contributed to the follies and the outcome we have now, but the SL war and the restructure that followed made sure of that. It was never going to be easy to rid the game of all the in fighting and in particular club power and control that keep the NRL hobbled and useless in fulfilling it ultimate potential.

Dare I say, at the end of all this COVID-19 nightmare lock down and restructure of the game once again, if the NRL can't extirpate itself totally from the clubs and be autonomous, then we will never grow to the extent of the AFL and realise our potential.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sp...-t-run-the-show-any-more-20200410-p54ivj.html

The good news? At least Rupert doesn't run the show any more

Rugby league not only survives in spite of hate, it thrives
because of the feudal wars, mutual detestations and loathing ingrained in the DNA of the game. That’s its lifeblood.

So why would it be any different amid the ever-evolving global coronavirus catastrophe? Just this week, the UN secretary general Antonio Guterres entreated that warring national forces across the globe to down their weapons and retreat from the theatre of battle lest the coronavirus become impossible to contain against the backdrop of bloodshed.


Will rugby league, therefore, change its leopard spots and heed the same message.

Quite the opposite, actually. The COVID-19 pandemic and its dreadful consequences have almost instantly revealed that the house of the ARL Commission and the NRL is constructed, almost entirely, of straw and elastic bands.

Vituperative and pointed barbs abound about how the game is broken, as well as almost broke, about how rugby league is barren of valuable assets. There is the usual consequential character assassinations and “dead man walking” whispers, staining the good name and reputation of anyone considered responsible. How. Very. Rugby. League.

Under Australian law, directors and senior officers of companies - chief executives and chief financial officers, especially - are rightly burdened with heavy obligations concerning companies they control. Directors and officers must exercise due care and diligence in discharging their duties and make proper business judgements. Directors must always act in the best interests of the company.

One must proceed with caution, and refrain from incinerating the name of any person who has been in charge of rugby league, without first analysing the facts. We live in utterly frightening times.

Six months ago, nobody could have predicted that by early April 2020, this blue planet would’ve properly soiled itself. To whatever extent sport matters in the wider context, every sport is devastatingly affected in ways never imagined. Even if some organisations, like the All England Club of SW17 in London, did (apparently) have the prescience to purchase pandemic insurance coverage, this is no proverbial “rainy day”. These catastrophes are impossible to plan for.

In that context, and all the while noting the utopia of “NRL Island” remains a mirage on the horizon, perhaps it would be sensible to actually examine the sport’s finances as the figures have evolved, before ripping off anyone’s head.

In 2010, rugby league in Australia finished its 13th season of what’s known as the NRL competition. Then the professional game was controlled (and owned) by a Kramer vs Kramer partnership between the Australian Rugby League (the exact same company, now badged the ARL Commission) and a subsidiary of News Limited (as the Murdoch conglomerate in Australia was then known).

That forced marriage was welded together following a horrible, three-year fight for control of the game, which ended after the 1997 seasons for the ARL and Murdoch’s “Super” League competitions.

The ARL had $20 million or thereabouts in the bank before News Ltd pulled the trigger on its April Fool’s Day devilry in 1995. The “war” properly robbed the game of whatever wealth it enjoyed in the early '90s. To put perspective on the ARL’s financial position in 1994, the AFL had less than $6m in cash.

Rugby league’s Treaty of Versailles, executed in early 1998, brought under one roof two parties which fairly detested each other, but nonetheless were co-dependent. Though known as the NRL Partnership, it was anything but a partnership by definition.

Starkly, it was a term of the marriage agreement that News Limited owned the right of first refusal, and the right of last bid over every form of rugby league broadcast rights - defined to include television, pay TV, radio and internet rights, as well as types of audiovisual dissemination not even conceived of in 1998, such as Netflix and Facebook - until 2023: TWENTY-FIVE years.

Essentially, the NRL Partnership couldn’t properly monetise its assets, because the Murdoch empire had rugby league shackled in an awful Christmas hold. And the powerful, compounding effect is self-evident.

The NRL Partnership, which ran the game before it was dissolved in 2012, is the entity to compare to the ARL Commission in the present day. For the period ending after that 2010 NRL season, the NRL Partnership's annual revenue was $146m. It had $20m in the bank, and total equity of $34m. For that year, it granted $55.2m to the 16 NRL clubs; $3.45m a slice. Total broadcast revenue was $96m.

Again, those amounts are meaningless as a snapshot of nine years ago, without something to compare it to. The financials of the AFL constitute the best barometer. For the same year ending on 31 October 2010, the AFL reported revenues of $367m. In 2010, the AFL paid $141m to its 16 clubs (almost triple the NRL Partnership numbers; GWS and Gold Coast hadn’t joined the fray yet), and yet retained assets worth $166m, including $54m in folding.

The AFL’s broadcast revenues were a multiple of the NRL Partnership’s. The AFL, of course, wasn’t smothered by contractual obligations to News Ltd, the effect of which was the NRL Partnership was forced to undersell its rights, year on year on year.

Rugby league was only freed from News Ltd’s clutches once the ARLC structure was cemented in 2012. It would be another three years, however, before all “first and last” rights provisions, favouring incumbent broadcasters bidding for new rights agreements, were obliterated (and it has never been highlighted sufficiently how valuable this achievement was for the game).

To pause at that juncture, rugby league in Australia was financially massacred by the Super League fiasco. The financial recovery has taken more than two decades. If the ARLC is in a parlous financial state, it’s not as simple as sheeting home blame to those who presently control the game’s destiny. The finger ought instead be pointed at Jerry Hall’s husband.

That’s not to say questions shouldn’t be asked after an examination of the ARLC's financials, released last February. Since 2010, total game revenues and the commission’s net assets have slightly more than tripled, whereas aggregate payments to NRL clubs have more than quadrupled.

The total equity of the commission now is a bit more than four times that of the NRL Partnership a decade ago. The commission reported a surplus of $30m for the year to October 31 2019; it has reported a deficit as many times as it has a surplus since 2012. Margins in this business are on a hair trigger.

What to take home from all this? Yes, in a way it's staggering that it costs $181m per year to run the NRL - and rugby league has seemingly morphed from being just a sport to some sort of cultural and societal way of being.

Yes, NRL clubs have had it too good, being funded over each of the past two years to the tune of more than $220m; a 42 per cent increase from the funding arrangements in place between 2014-2017. Moreover, the NRL gives a higher percentage of its revenue (44 per cent) to its clubs, compared to the AFL (40 per cent), and the AFL has two more mouths to feed. And, yes, the total equity of the AFL in the last reporting period is double that of the ARLC's.

And yes, the AFL’s revenues presently are 45 per cent more than the ARLC's. But squarely - and you can only really appreciate rugby league’s situation by contrasting the numbers against the AFL’s - rugby league’s parlous position can only be explained by arguing that it’s News Corporation’s and Jerry Hall’s husband’s fault. The disastrous events of the mid-90s jettisoned rugby league on a trajectory that has only, in the past few years, been somewhat arrested.

And remember this: matters would have been magnitudes worse had the Murdoch empire not been exorcised from its part-ownership of professional rugby league in Australia. Otherwise, News Corp would still have a stranglehold on all the game’s media rights for another three years.
 

LeagueXIII

First Grade
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V'landys won't allow it to happen, his involvement is to keep the status quo. That is Rugba League not fulfilling its potential and dinosaur organisations like 9 leeching off the game.

And that's exactly what will happen, he'll sell it to Fox.

That's why they were keen to get rid of Grant, he was keen to bring it inhouse and have control.

I hope V'landys proves me wrong.
 

LeagueXIII

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Go even further. Have the national broadcasters, a subscription for all games and then sell Knights away games to NBN, Dragons games that aren’t in Wollongong to WIN, Raiders away games to WIN/Prime Canberra etc. I’d imagine this could grow the product and the Clubs locally and increase crowds

That would be good for the game.

They could blackout Sydney games, show a live game from Newcastle instead.

Would definitely help crowds.
 

Perth Red

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Someone needs to ask Ch9 why they pay $30mill a year less for nrl than ch7 pays for afl, even though nrl dominates the ratings.

it’s funny how no one on nine is critical of the fact the afl needs to borrow $600mill to keep its doors open or questioning where the many more hundreds of millions of $’s of afl revenue have gone! It’s almost like there is an agenda against nrl lol
 

TheRam

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Someone needs to ask Ch9 why they pay $30mill a year less for nrl than ch7 pays for afl, even though nrl dominates the ratings.

it’s funny how no one on nine is critical of the fact the afl needs to borrow $600mill to keep its doors open or questioning where the many more hundreds of millions of $’s of afl revenue have gone! It’s almost like there is an agenda against nrl lol


Sure they have probably squandered millions too, but look at their footprint, assets, crowds, money in the bank, and non media revenue generation compared to the NRL's.

Behemoth next to a gnat.
 

tri_colours

Juniors
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Someone needs to ask Ch9 why they pay $30mill a year less for nrl than ch7 pays for afl, even though nrl dominates the ratings.

it’s funny how no one on nine is critical of the fact the afl needs to borrow $600mill to keep its doors open or questioning where the many more hundreds of millions of $’s of afl revenue have gone! It’s almost like there is an agenda against nrl lol

They fail to mention also, just how poorly they've treated there coverage of the Southern States.It wasn't that many years ago that Melbourne games were being shown at all hours of the night.
 

Perth Red

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Sure they have probably squandered millions too, but look at their footprint, assets, crowds, money in the bank, and non media revenue generation compared to the NRL's.

Behemoth next to a gnat.

sadly we still don’t have an independent commission, they’ve had one for 28 years. That means they can make decisions in best interest of the game like variable grants, ticket tax on the big clubs, expansion, asset investment etc whilst we are continually faced with conflicts of interest, back stabbing, media interference and cash grabs by the vested interest groups. That has nothing to do with the CEOs ability, hence why you could sack Greenberg tomorrow, bring in the next patsy and nothing will change.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

First Grade
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Considering how fast the media landscape has changed in the last couple of years I hope that the NRL tell 9 to jam any contract extension nonsense. The way 9 is going they may not have the ability to pay for any years beyond 2022. Same for Fox as they also may not be around in 2 years from now

In my opinion the NRL need to look at streaming games on a pay per view model inserting their own ads during the halftime break etc and allow 2-3 games a week on another FTA broadcaster. Imagine how good the game could be promoted without the negative commentary and stale game productions that we get from 9.

If the digital arm of the NRL can't set this up in 2 years they could run with a year on year contract with Kayo and another FTA channel till they have it sorted.

An games under anti siphoning laws such as the GF and Origin could be sold on a game by game deal to competing networks. Remember the great coverage 7 gave in the last RLWC.

Definitely need to keep some games on FTA just for the exposure.

I dont think it is a coincidence that any comp played exclusively on PayTV is culturally irrelevant.

(I think this is easily the biggest f*ck up in all of the 9s comps. Of course no one cares about it, barely anyone can watch it...)
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

First Grade
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They fail to mention also, just how poorly they've treated there coverage of the Southern States.It wasn't that many years ago that Melbourne games were being shown at all hours of the night.

Whenever i was down in Vic for a weekend (this is going back more than a decade now) what really shit me was that the would even change the broadcast time without announcing it...

So it might be scheduled for midnight and not come on until after 1am. Or Scheduled for 1am and they decided to start the broadcast at 11.30pm

I dont know which is the bigger parasite: C9 or Fox....
 
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The Rabs Gould rot set in a good ten years ago. Thank god I just had Fox for last few years.

At the in laws and I saw a game last year with Thaiday. I was shocked at the low brow lowest common denominator shite that it was.

Ch 9 are a skid mark in a homeless man's decade old daks.
 

Perth Red

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Whenever i was down in Vic for a weekend (this is going back more than a decade now) what really shit me was that the would even change the broadcast time without announcing it...

So it might be scheduled for midnight and not come on until after 1am. Or Scheduled for 1am and they decided to start the broadcast at 11.30pm

I dont know which is the bigger parasite: C9 or Fox....

in WA for a decade it was always hit and miss if it would be on at all. Many a time I set to record it and ended up with golf or some tennis tournament in palms springs.
 

Perth Red

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The Rabs Gould rot set in a good ten years ago. Thank god I just had Fox for last few years.

At the in laws and I saw a game last year with Thaiday. I was shocked at the low brow lowest common denominator shite that it was.

Ch 9 are a skid mark in a homeless man's decade old daks.

thought I’d watch the Sunday footy show for first time in years, same old sht. Some fat bloke in saggy underpants and some benign discussion followed by Thaiday in a wig and some surfer trying to hit a golf ball then a nine journo bagging the game. That’ll do me for another few years! Do they really not see why they’re losing audiences to Kayo?
 

The Great Dane

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The Rabs Gould rot set in a good ten years ago.
The sad thing about Gould is that he's actually a pretty good analyst.

Once you put him with Rabs, Fittler, Joey, etc, he degenerates to just telling unfunny inside jokes and playing grumpy old men with Rabs, but if you get him talking about the footy by himself, he's actually pretty good.

Sterlo and Fatty are similar in that they are actually pretty good colour commentators that are good speakers and have something to say, but once you put them with invalids like Fittler and Johns, and Rabs who is way past it, and sadly seems to be going a bit senile, it pulls them down.

If Nine could get a couple of good young commentators (not ex-players, actual professional commentators), and put guys like Sterling, Fatty, and Gould, around them, then they're commentary team would be just as good as Fox's, and it'd make their programming infinitely better.
 

undertaker

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The sad thing about Gould is that he's actually a pretty good analyst.

Once you put him with Rabs, Fittler, Joey, etc, he degenerates to just telling unfunny inside jokes and playing grumpy old men with Rabs, but if you get him talking about the footy by himself, he's actually pretty good.

Gus being his melodramatic self next to Rabs

Back to your post, there's a very similar parallel between the degeneration of the quality of Gus Gould's and Shane Warne's (when Ch9 had the cricket rights) commentary at Ch9.

When you listen to highlights of old RL matches during the mid '90s when Gus Gould first started at Ch9 as a fill-in commentator (since he was still coaching first grade), you wouldn't think it's the same Gus that you hear today. He was very insightful, and solely focused on what was happening on the field, none of these theatrics, grumpy all men routine with Rabs, "NO NO NO NO NO!" or "DEAR OH DEAR OH DEAR!".

Likewise, when Shane Warne started as a guest commentator during his playing days whilst he was out injured in the early 2000's, his commentary was also solely focused on the cricket.
Then years later when he became a full-timer (around 2008/09) alongside personnel such as Michael Slater, James Brayshaw et al, whatever insightful things Warney used to say completely got put on the scrapheap in favour of all these stupid jokes, running tv viewer polls about favourite pizza toppings (oh dear, who could forget that?) etc. It was very immature, and unprofessional and completely detracted from what was happening on-field (especially during close matches).
 

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