Is Cleary a dud?

[tripster]

Our attack was also much better under Hook because of the consistently physical way we played and our high levels of fitness.

We could maintain intensity for 80 minutes under him, which meant that eventually opportunities simply arose because we had more energy than the opposition. It was no fluke that we had the best or second best defensive record in the second half of games of the entire comp last season.

 

[mxlegend99]

We could maintain intensity for 80 minutes under him, which meant that eventually opportunities simply arose because we had more energy than the opposition. It was no fluke that we had the best or second best defensive record in the second half of games of the entire comp last season.

We were fit... but we barely if ever played high intensity footy for 80 minutes under him. We were often lucky to have 20 minutes of that.

We did have a few great perfornances though where if we did it every week we could be tough to beat. My personal favorite was defeating the Bulldogs in week 1 of finals 2016. I expected us to be able to build from that in 2017 and IMO we never reached those heights again.

We certainly won't be anytime soon under Ivan. Without Moylan our roster isn't capable of it either... and Mansour in that game was huge.

 

[martielang]

We were fit... but we barely if ever played high intensity footy for 80 minutes under him. We were often lucky to have 20 minutes of that.

We did have a few great perfornances though where if we did it every week we could be tough to beat. My personal favorite was defeating the Bulldogs in week 1 of finals 2016. I expected us to be able to build from that in 2017 and IMO we never reached those heights again.

We certainly won't be anytime soon under Ivan. Without Moylan our roster isn't capable of it either... and Mansour in that game was huge.

Playing good footy & playing with intensity aren't mutually exclusive nor are they the same thing. I think you're getting the two mixed up.

To say we barely showed intensity is a load of bull. Our relentlessness & intensity (from our fitness & mentality) is probably the main reason why we were as successful as we were during his period & now we've lost that & sadly look a shadow of the team.

We broke open teams in the back 20 because of our constant pressure.

 

[tripster]

Playing good footy & playing with intensity aren't mutually exclusive nor are they the same thing. I think you're getting the two mixed up.

To say we barely showed intensity is a load of bull. Our relentlessness & intensity (from our fitness & mentality) is probably the main reason why we were as successful as we were during his period & now we've lost that & sadly look a shadow of the team.

We broke open teams in the back 20 because of our constant pressure.

Exactly.

 

[mxlegend99]

Playing good footy & playing with intensity aren't mutually exclusive nor are they the same thing. I think you're getting the two mixed up.

To say we barely showed intensity is a load of bull. Our relentlessness & intensity (from our fitness & mentality) is probably the main reason why we were as successful as we were during his period & now we've lost that & sadly look a shadow of the team.

We broke open teams in the back 20 because of our constant pressure.

The only thing bull is calling it pressure to spot the opposition teams a lead while missing a shitload of tackles, making a shitload of errors and giving away cheap penalties.

We did not play with intensity for 80 minutes last year more than 2 or 3 times.


Edit
Only thing we had for 80 minutes was stupidity most weeks. Our intensity lifted when the game got away from us and thibgs got desperate .

 

[Dave's mate]

Our attack has barely changed at all, we were just fitter

 

[Flashstep]

Yea under Hook we were never a good 80 minute side, and last year especially proved this considering how many times we came back to win the game in the final minutes.

Our game plan was pretty much don’t let the opponent get to much of a lead then storm home in the final 20, which worked because of our superior fitness but came back to bite us in the final against Cronulla because they had to much of a lead to come back from. There were a few games where we peaked for 80 minutes, my favourite would probably be that game against the Dragons to take 1st place, but the biggest reason Griffin was sacked was because we could never consistently get to that level.

In hindsight though bringing in Cleary to replace him was a pretty stupid decision since we’ve gone backwards big time, at least we were great in terms of fitness and defence under Griffin.

 

[franklin2323]

When does it become the players?

The common theme here is the players.

I said it last year when we were having the comebacks. They were doing the dumb things out there. Hook just was better at working with that then Ivan

 

[betcats]

Our attack was also much better under Hook because of the consistently physical way we played and our high levels of fitness.

We could maintain intensity for 80 minutes under him, which meant that eventually opportunities simply arose because we had more energy than the opposition. It was no fluke that we had the best or second best defensive record in the second half of games of the entire comp last season.

We never maintained 80 minutes of high intensity football under Griffin.

The revisionist history around here is ridiculous. We were the slowest starting team bar none uder Griffin, they were literally scratching their heads trying to come up with ways to get the team to start strongly and not give up 3 tries straightaway, but yeah we certainly did maintain that intensity all game, lol that makes zero sense. When we did maintain our intensity for short periods of time we would literally blow teams off the park, hence the comebacks.

Also(not directed at tripster) the Moylan history re-write was horseshit. He wanted out because of the sharks players buttering him up during orgin and making him unhappy? Bullshit he was released 18months after he played origin. Hook literally took responsibility for Moylan leaving, it was a personality clash in his own words(after we sacked him so no reason to lie). The shit that was being spun round here last week was ridiculous, the same people said at the time that Moylan was off the rails on coke and stormed into goulds office blowing up at everyone, now it is because the sharks convinced him he was on unders? bullshit.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

We never maintained 80 minutes of high intensity football under Griffin.

The revisionist history around here is ridiculous. We were the slowest starting team bar none uder Griffin, they were literally scratching their heads trying to come up with ways to get the team to start strongly and not give up 3 tries straightaway, but yeah we certainly did maintain that intensity all game, lol that makes zero sense. When we did maintain our intensity for short periods of time we would literally blow teams off the park, hence the comebacks.

Also(not directed at tripster) the Moylan history re-write was horseshit. He wanted out because of the sharks players buttering him up during orgin and making him unhappy? Bullshit he was released 18months after he played origin. Hook literally took responsibility for Moylan leaving, it was a personality clash in his own words(after we sacked him so no reason to lie). The shit that was being spun round here last week was ridiculous, the same people said at the time that Moylan was off the rails on coke and stormed into goulds office blowing up at everyone, now it is because the sharks convinced him he was on unders? bullshit.

Thank you mate. Thank you so saying for very much what I've been thinking. Some on this forum (note the word some) are like the couple who fought like cat and dogs all their married life. One of them dies and suddenly the phrase 'we never had a cross word' springs out of their mouths.

I don't have the desire to trawl back through the pages and show some of the bleating that was done towards Hook when here. Moylan and other players too.

What really amused me too is that the club has had 2 wins on the trott. Last weeks in particular a very gritty hard won affair, and if you looked at the stats Penrith should not have won. They won with hard work and working as a team.

I'm enjoying the win. Looking forward to next weekend when I'll be down to hopefully see all 3 grades live.

 

[OldPanther]

We never maintained 80 minutes of high intensity football under Griffin.

The revisionist history around here is ridiculous. We were the slowest starting team bar none uder Griffin, they were literally scratching their heads trying to come up with ways to get the team to start strongly and not give up 3 tries straightaway, but yeah we certainly did maintain that intensity all game, lol that makes zero sense. When we did maintain our intensity for short periods of time we would literally blow teams off the park, hence the comebacks.

Also(not directed at tripster) the Moylan history re-write was horseshit. He wanted out because of the sharks players buttering him up during orgin and making him unhappy? Bullshit he was released 18months after he played origin. Hook literally took responsibility for Moylan leaving, it was a personality clash in his own words(after we sacked him so no reason to lie). The shit that was being spun round here last week was ridiculous, the same people said at the time that Moylan was off the rails on coke and stormed into goulds office blowing up at everyone, now it is because the sharks convinced him he was on unders? bullshit.

Yeah Griffin admitted in his NRL360 interview it was a falling out between him and Moylan.

I don't have the desire to trawl back through the pages and show some of the bleating that was done towards Hook when here. Moylan and other players too.

You had stuff to say about Moylan recently

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Yeah Griffin admitted in his NRL360 interview it was a falling out between him and Moylan.



You had stuff to say about Moylan recently

I suddenty wasn't portraying Moylan is Messianic terms though

 

[OldPanther]

I suddenty wasn't portraying Moylan is Messianic terms though

Everyone should always be portraying him as such. What a legend he is.

 

[mxlegend99]

Everyone should always be portraying him as such. What a legend he is.

He carried 2 genius coaches to the finals in the seasons he was fit:

2014 - top 4 and week 3 of finals
2015 - missed most of season with injury.
2016 - week 2 of finals
2017 - week 2 of finals... although he missed end of season
2018 Sharks - eliminated us and took them to week 3 of finals
2019 Sharks - been injured mostly. But i expect him to be a big figure in the 2019 finals series

All average coaches look better eith him in the team. God only knows what a Bennett or Bellamy could have done with his natural talent.

 

[OldPanther]

He carried 2 genius coaches to the finals in the seasons he was fit:

2014 - top 4 and week 3 of finals
2015 - missed most of season with injury.
2016 - week 2 of finals
2017 - week 2 of finals... although he missed end of season
2018 Sharks - eliminated us and took them to week 3 of finals
2019 Sharks - been injured mostly. But i expect him to be a big figure in the 2019 finals series

All average coaches look better eith him in the team. God only knows what a Bennett or Bellamy could have done with his natural talent.

He'd be an immortal under Bellamy.

 

[Kilkenny]

It was convenient to blame the club for Moylan’s departure.

The fact is it was Moylan’s actions or unsatisfactory conduct which led to his falling out with our then coach and subsequent move to the Sharks.

Regardless of his ability as a football player he disrespected our club, fans, team mates and coach as a result of which he had to go pure and simple.

Long after his career is over Matt Moylan will largely be forgotten and will be remembered as that player with a lot of talent who never quite delivered on a consistent basis.

 

[betcats]

It was convenient to blame the club for Moylan’s departure.

The fact is it was Moylan’s actions or unsatisfactory conduct which led to his falling out with our then coach and subsequent move to the Sharks.

Regardless of his ability as a football player he disrespected our club, fans, team mates and coach as a result of which he had to go pure and simple.

Long after his career is over Matt Moylan will largely be forgotten and will be remembered as that player with a lot of talent who never quite delivered on a consistent basis.

Yeah he was so poorly behaved we made him captain. Just stop shitting on the bloke cause he left that’s complete rubbish.

 

[franklin2323]

Yeah he was so poorly behaved we made him captain. Just stop shitting on the bloke cause he left that’s complete rubbish.

How many well behaved players go to rehab? 6 months after being dropped for off field stuff. No one side is too blame

 

[betcats]

How many well behaved players go to rehab? 6 months after being dropped for off field stuff. No one side is too blame

When did he go to rehab? When he was released from here he was initially given a couple weeks off because of mental health concerns which is the stock standard line for nrl clubs. I can’t see anything mentioning a stint in rehab.

 

[Kilkenny]

Yeah he was so poorly behaved we made him captain. Just stop shitting on the bloke cause he left that’s complete rubbish.

Everything I have said is factual and I am not intending to put shit on him at all.

He did the wrong thing I don’t think there is any conjecture about that.

In respect of his legacy, he hasn’t reached the heights he could have, either for the Panthers or the Sharks given his abilities.

He turns 28 years in a couple of weeks time, has played a hundred odd games at the NRL level and has been a very capable player often capable of winning matches single handedly which sadly we have seen when he has played for the Sharks against us.

The fact he left us is no longer an issue for me personally although it should be said I so wish he had of stayed on the straight and narrow and still been with us now playing good footy, injury free.