Is Kidley right for the captaincy?

[antonius]

Been mentioned in another thread so I've started this for some opinions. I don't believe he is, and I also think it's starting to affect his game recently.

 

[cram]

Probably tend to agree. I am not sure making him NSW Captain did him any favours either. I am not sure who, however you would make Captain.

Simpson is just about done and dusted. Doogs does not strike me as the Captain type....Mullen was muted as a Captain of the future so maybe he could get a start.

Or as a good alternative we could just have Super Hubert, or the Knights Jester he is at every game...

 

[perverse]

my main concern is simple. he doesn't seem to fire up at the boys. look at old footage of joey in behind the posts after we conceded a try... he would blow up deluxe at times, and to be honest teams need that occasionally.

kurt is great at leading with his actions... but i'm not sure he has the tenacity and fortitude as a true leader. is he the bloke in the team that everyone wants to play for? the bloke they bleed for? is he the bloke our players are scared to look in the eye if they haven't given 100%?

i really don't know, but my gut says no.

 

[roopy]

House - mature, intelligent, educated, motivated and capable.
Despite being relatively young, he is the natural leader, both on and off the field - and the type of person we need to be the 'face' of our club.

 

[perverse]

i think house would be a great captain too... and has been earmarked as a leader since before he hit first grade.

... but how would the newcastle faithful react to an import being named as captain? particularly a fresh one.

^^^ just a copy and paste from the other thread. keep captaincy talk in here from now on i reckon.

 

[antonius]

Probably tend to agree. I am not sure making him NSW Captain did him any favours either. I am not sure who, however you would make Captain.

Simpson is just about done and dusted. Doogs does not strike me as the Captain type....Mullen was muted as a Captain of the future so maybe he could get a start.

Or as a good alternative we could just have Super Hubert, or the Knights Jester he is at every game...

Mullen would be a possibilty, not sure if he would be much different to Kids though. Roops suggests House in another thread. Maca is a Cross fan, but he'd actually have to get on the field first. ;-)
I came up with Simmo, but in reality I doubt he'll play next year, I think he has gone backwards this year (sad but true) Very thin on options as you say cram. Tolar perhaps??? Need someone with a forceful personality who bleeds red and blue, someone the players want to play for. Hard to find at the best of times, more so given our recent player turnover.

 

[Jono078]

I don't think we have any captain material. Cross would be close, but no use since he plays about 5 games a year.

And plus, taking the captaincy off of Kurt now wouldn't be good for him I don't think, what would he be thinking? Especially if a new coach comes in with a new captain in mind, wouldn't be a great start to make I don't think.

 

[roopy]

I believe House was captain in the lower grades at Saints and led his side to a PL premiership (i think).

 

[antonius]

I honestly believe both Kidley, and Mullen to a lesser extent are taking the recent performances personally, as if they are to blame (both look like they have the world on their shoulders)

 

[Karmawave]

Of course he is right for the captaincy.

He shows more guts and commitment week in week out than any other player out there.

He leads by example. To be a good captain you don't have to be necessarily screaming at your troops all game.

He's the best leader we have. Bottom line.

He is a captain that portrays do as I do, not do as I say.

He isn't Buderus, but he doesn't have to be.

He is fit for captain. He captained NSW in front of other more experienced options.

He should be Knights captain too.

Houston is a decent back up captain ( or vice captain ) , but he is not popular with the referees at all simply based on his reputation as a penalty magnet, and if Gidley struggles to get respect from the refs, what chance Houston.

 

[antonius]

Of course he is right for the captaincy.

He shows more guts and commitment week in week out than any other player out there.

He leads by example. To be a good captain you don't have to be necessarily screaming at your troops all game.

He's the best leader we have. Bottom line.

He is a captain that portrays do as I do, not do as I say.

He isn't Buderus, but he doesn't have to be.

He is fit for captain. He captained NSW in front of other more experienced options.

He should be Knights captain too.

Houston is a decent back up captain ( or vice captain ) , but he is not popular with the referees at all, and if Gidley struggles to get respect from the refs, what chance Houston.

Not questioning his commitment at all Karma, but I really don't see him having any influence over the players at all, he leads by example but nobody is following him.

 

[Karmawave]

Not questioning his commitment at all Karma, but I really don't see him having any influence over the players at all, he leads by example but nobody is following him.

A leader of men can't do anything if the men he is leading have dropped their bundle.

It doesn't make Gidley a poor captain, it makes the men he is leading as weak as p*ss.

You could put legendary captains and leaders like Wayne Pearce or Wally Lewis out there at the moment and they'd still be going sh*t.

Can anyone here really say with a straight face that the team would respond better ( or play ) if Houston ( or anyone else for that matter ) was captain instead of Gidley?

The captaincy is not the issue - everything else is though.

 

[macavity]

time for a co-captains

or maybe just everyone gets a go, like the under 8s.

 

[perverse]

i think the captain has to take some responsibility for the mental state of his troops.

probably even as much as the coach really. that's what a captain is there for... to lead.

having said that... apart from house i wouldn't really prefer anyone else we have other than gids. mullo is soft as sh*t in the head, cross never plays and simmo is on the way out anyway.

 

[Karmawave]

When the chips are down, everyone here wants to get reactive instead of proactive.

 

[perverse]

When the chips are down, everyone here wants to get reactive instead of proactive.

well, lets hear your proactive solutions. i'm certainly listening.

 

[roopy]

I don't understand why Kurt get dissed by the refs and doesn't seem to lift the other players - but that is the reality - he just isn't a leader.

 

[antonius]

When the chips are down, everyone here wants to get reactive instead of proactive.

I'm being proactive, I'm suggesting Kidley is not captain material, nothing reactive about it, I see the captaincy as an issue. I would certainly see the current crop taking more notice of a Harragon, or Butterfield than Kurt!

 

[Joker's Wild]

Of course he is right for the captaincy.

He shows more guts and commitment week in week out than any other player out there.

He leads by example. To be a good captain you don't have to be necessarily screaming at your troops all game.

He's the best leader we have. Bottom line.

He is a captain that portrays do as I do, not do as I say.

He isn't Buderus, but he doesn't have to be.

He is fit for captain. He captained NSW in front of other more experienced options.

He should be Knights captain too.

Houston is a decent back up captain ( or vice captain ) , but he is not popular with the referees at all simply based on his reputation as a penalty magnet, and if Gidley struggles to get respect from the refs, what chance Houston.

A leader of men can't do anything if the men he is leading have dropped their bundle.

It doesn't make Gidley a poor captain, it makes the men he is leading as weak as p*ss.

You could put legendary captains and leaders like Wayne Pearce or Wally Lewis out there at the moment and they'd still be going sh*t.

Can anyone here really say with a straight face that the team would respond better ( or play ) if Houston ( or anyone else for that matter ) was captain instead of Gidley?

The captaincy is not the issue - everything else is though.

Stop it Karma, you're making too much sense and Im agreeing with everything you're saying. You'll bugger up your image as the forum wowser is you keep doing this ;-)

 

[Karmawave]

well, lets hear your proactive solutions. i'm certainly listening.

Proactive is sitting down as a group and having a good old fashioned honesty session.

Stop the bullsh*t propaganda being spewed forth to the masses at the moment which patronises fans and shows a bunch of footballers/coaches/admin living in denial.

Every one of them to a man needs to sit down as a group - without the coach - and look each other in the eye and have a open and forthright honesty session.

Can they look each other in the eye and say they are putting in 100%? Of course they can't.

It's time to let go of the excuses, and sit down and establish some pride in the jersey.

If they won't do it for the coach, do it for each other. Do it for the fans who support them en masse week in week out. Do it for the emblem sitting on their badge. The Newcastle Knights.

Get some steel and commitment about their performances and as a group get honest with each other and it can turn around this season.

If they can't be honest with themselves, they can't be honest with each other.

Forget the coach, forget everything else, play with some pride for themselves and each other, and the rest is irrelevant.

That's all we can expect.

It has nothing to do with the captaincy. It has everything to do with commitment, passion and pride. It IS REACTIVE to change the captain based on a few losses. Its as reactive as it gets.

If their 100% best isn't good enough, bad luck. At least the team can look each other in the eyes that they tried their best and be proud of their efforts.