Is our pack a bunch of ..... u know what ! I was watching us play the tigers yesterday and felt there was no grunt in defence ...no big hits no pushing people back .......leave our moi moi and a bit of mannah the others never seemed capable of brushing away a couple of defenders on their own...classic case of our captain ..throw the ball to him..he will run a few meters till he hits the wall and at time will just stand there till the ref calls held ...he is practically a nothing in attack , defence obviously solid but with our coach's boring, no offload policy he is less of a player than he was under anderson's second phase football.......he seems to have no legspeed and the only one who tries to put in a big hit from time to time is hayne ..the others the less said the better...bring some grunt back people !!