Is Sonny Bill bigger than the game ?

[Bobby DIGital]

As far as I know SBW hasn't

- been caught DIC
- taken a dump in a hotel hallway
- glassed his girlfriend
- taken PE ElephantJuice

The Kangaroo squad has plenty of those types. Bunch of degenerates.

BTW Nasser always looks like an absolute bum. Even in contract negotiations.

 

[vvvrulz]

This time last year I would have stated that I can't stand SBW.

But my opinion has changed a little based on the following:
- He is an outstanding rugby league player
- Having him in the Kiwis WC squad will be a huge asset to us.
- He never blows his own trumpet
- He is never making trouble outside of the game

I think he's a joke of a 'boxer' and overrated as a rugby union player, but I don't mind him otherwise. I still hate the media circus and his idiot managers but he himself hasn't done a lot wrong other than walking out on the Doggies.

 

[Beavers Headgear]

Exactly. Always find it funny to hear people getting so worked up about SBW and his business dealings off the field, probably wouldn't care if blokes like Lui, Bird etc were playing in their team though.

Also those blokes mentioned above by BH have no where near the career earnings of SBW most likely. And I wouldn't mention Inglis as the most 'professional' bloke by the standards you are setting since from memory there was him backing out of his Broncos contract with some excuse about he didn't think the planes would be flying because it was raining :lol: They are also not in the same class as SBW when it comes to being able to make money for a club I feel.

They are guys I mentioned that could easily switch codes and be a success across them, some seem to think SBW is the only bloke capable of that

As for the career earnings, they may not make as much over a 10 year period, although if they wanted too I imagine the likes of Lockyer and Johns could have easily if they chased coin around the world

But where they have it all over SBW is that they have made enough for a comfortable lifestyle for the rest of their lives simply by playing and then move into other high paid media jobs etc for as long as they want them, that is something SBW won't have when he is done, whereas Fittler, Johns, Lockyer and co do. I'd imagine Fatty has earned millions over the years from that alone.

Maybe his plan for all his career earning is to help the poor bus drivers, I'll give him a bit of respect if that is the case

I'd imagine some of you boys would be following SBW and if he farted you'd be sniffing his arse just to catch a whiff of the great mans scent

 

[Micistm]

As far as I know SBW hasn't

- been caught DIC
- taken a dump in a hotel hallway
- glassed his girlfriend
- taken PE ElephantJuice

Or any of the other things his fellow 'pro' footballers have done. Does this make him less of a pro as well?

That IMO is a completely different arguement, often bought in to justify SBW and his entourage/circus antics.
And you can only blame his Manager so far- I know SBW isn't overly sharp but he's a 28yo man whos management works FOR him. And yes, I concede his management does do well for him. But at what cost? It is business, but it does come at a cost- Donald Trump conducts business in a way that's successful, but it's common knowledge what most think of him.

I was warming to the guy again after a year of little BS aside from a fixed fight. This week has undone that. From his flakey early decision to their camps obvious photo op with the NZRU to get the bidding upped, it just leaves a sour taste to me. And we have a few weeks of this Winston Peters type crap coming up. Over it totally. IMO the sooner he goes back to Union the better. And shock horror, I think the NRL might just survive.

Pleased to see a few others standing up now and saying enoughs enough

 

[Beavers Headgear]

At the end of the day it is each to their own and they can run careers however they want

Personally though I would rather have the legacy left behind that somebody like Menzies has rather than what SBWs legacy will be

 

[Fast Eddie]

They are guys I mentioned that could easily switch codes and be a success across them, some seem to think SBW is the only bloke capable of that

As for the career earnings, they may not make as much over a 10 year period, although if they wanted too I imagine the likes of Lockyer and Johns could have easily if they chased coin around the world

But where they have it all over SBW is that they have made enough for a comfortable lifestyle for the rest of their lives simply by playing and then move into other high paid media jobs etc for as long as they want them, that is something SBW won't have when he is done, whereas Fittler, Johns, Lockyer and co do. I'd imagine Fatty has earned millions over the years from that alone.

Maybe his plan for all his career earning is to help the poor bus drivers, I'll give him a bit of respect if that is the case

I'd imagine some of you boys would be following SBW and if he farted you'd be sniffing his arse just to catch a whiff of the great mans scent

Williams can already make a few mill most likely by turining to boxing full time as soon as he retires from Union/Rugby and huge money through sponsorship ala Lomu. He's done well to make such a huge name of himself that he can do that. :lol: is that much worse then hating and being bitter towards a guy for his career choices? At least I get to enjoy watching one of the best play, the blokes who hate him spend time being bitter/annoyed about his off field stuff (which can easily be ignored/has no effect on you whatsoever) and then want to see him fail on the field aka you who said you probably won't watch the Kiwis at the WC, who's really the loser there?

 

[Beavers Headgear]

Im no loser for it, I just won't be making an effort to get up at 7am to watch the games and will enjoy my Saturday nights after cricket

I think you overstate the fact that people that don't like the bloke spend every second of their day thinking about the bloke. What he has provided for me this week is a good way to pass the boredom of work getting you chaps all excitable busy over the weekend so won't need this topic to fill my time in but may be back Monday for some more :lol:

 

[Micistm]

Latest news just through is that SBW is staying at the Roosters for another year.

While that makes me cringe we will have Channel Nine star struck SBW groupies gushing praise for next year, I also gotta give a little credit where due. I expected the circus and BS to be going on for weeks, and around the WC. It is refreshing to see this sorted, done, and out the way.

Eating my words...doesn't happen often! ;-)

Mind you, another year at the Roosters makes it difficult to start organising the Parker fight he has to or be stripped of his boxing title...how 'inconvenient' ;-)

 

[Micistm]

Williams can already make a few mill most likely by turining to boxing full time as soon as he retires from Union/Rugby and huge money through sponsorship ala Lomu. He's done well to make such a huge name of himself that he can do that. :lol: is that much worse then hating and being bitter towards a guy for his career choices? At least I get to enjoy watching one of the best play, the blokes who hate him spend time being bitter/annoyed about his off field stuff (which can easily be ignored/has no effect on you whatsoever) and then want to see him fail on the field aka you who said you probably won't watch the Kiwis at the WC, who's really the loser there?

Um, there it is again...'hater', 'bitter' etc. I think you overestimate how much time people put into it. You get sick of the crap for sure, and I know many people that don't watch sport at all that groan because of the overexposure on the news of SBW this and that...
But it is that angle often used by the Sonny Bill Groupies. If you so much as dare to say a word against their boy, you're a hater, or bitter. You also forgot jealous, and 'tall poppy' is a favourite!:lol:
He's a good footy player. Very, very good. He's deserves to be sought after, and on a decent contract, although what goes on is way over the top. The Boxer in him remains to be seen, nor tested as to any decent level- His only genuine fight would have been a knockout loss had it not been fixed- But if he devoted his time to it completely, who knows?
But this week he has acted unprofessionally, and been a bit of a scatty idiot, which has resulted in a coach copping flack unfairly, and a young kids dream shattered. Not a firing squad offence, but still a silly thing that deserves criticism. You say that to some though, and the denial and excuses start up! You're not to say ANYTHING!

Added footnote is messrs Lowe and Kemp are hypocritical and unfair when criticising Kearney and NZRL who have done everything right here, acted honestly in a tough situation for them. Had they listened to Lowe, they wouldn't have had the 'breathing room' when the squad was named and then SBW decided he wanted in. Then Lowe would've said they should've named the team earlier!:lol:

 

[Rich102]

Good post Mici!

 

[Fast Eddie]

Um, there it is again...'hater', 'bitter' etc. I think you overestimate how much time people put into it. You get sick of the crap for sure, and I know many people that don't watch sport at all that groan because of the overexposure on the news of SBW this and that...

I find this laughable considering any sort of Williams related news has the same people having a crack. And then you say you are sick of hearing/reading about it all, but there you are giving your opinions on the matter. In fact I'd say you for example have nearly made just as many posts on SBW and his Kiwis turn round earlier this week then anything else Kiwis related this whole season.

I know if I was truly sick of hearing/reading about a player I wouldn't be for starters following the news on him and then giving my opinions on the matter every time he does something. Pretty counterproductive to what you supposedly want really. In fact weren't you coming up with conspiracy ideas about his future plans a couple of days ago? :lol: Sounded like you were some sort of fairfax journalist ;-)

 

[Philip_Smith007]

http://www.nrl.com/sbw-to-stay-with-roosters-in-2014/tabid/10874/newsid/75058/default.aspx

Sydney Roosters coach Trent Robinson says Sonny Bill Williams' decision to remain with the NRL premiers is a huge tribute to everyone connected with the club.
The cross-code superstar ended sport's longest-running saga on Thursday night when he informed Roosters officials he'd decided to re-sign for another year.

A disappointed New Zealand Rugby Union (NZRU) broke the news on its Twitter feed on Friday that the 28-year-old had knocked back an offer to rejoin the Super Rugby champions Chiefs in 2014.
Robinson admitted he'd no idea if he would get the chance to work with Williams again after Sunday's grand final win over Manly.
But he said the decision to give the back-rower space and time to make his decision had been vindicated.

"It's a big thing for our club on and off the field," Robinson told AAP.
"I wasn't sure until he told us last night. It was his decision and I've said all along I wasn't going to ask him. We'd let him come to his own decision.
"All we did was support him and now he has supported us. It's great for our game that he's still here."
The Roosters said in a statement Williams would sign his new deal in mid February.

A return to the boxing ring is then on the cards in January before he links up with his teammates for pre-season training a month later.
Robinson said news that he would re-sign was proof the strong culture created by his players and coaching staff had struck a chord with Williams.

"I think he's really enjoyed this season. We've been successful and he's enjoyed being part of our group," he said.
"He's had a huge effect on our club.
"We have had a lot of guys this year that have been outstanding, none more so than Sonny and that was shown when he took out our player of the year award.

"He's quite unique in our game. There are not many like him.
"It's a great thing when someone re-signs. It makes you feel like you're on the right track.
"It's a good, strong message for our playing group and shows our guys like playing with each other."
NRL chief executive Dave Smith was involved in the negotiation process with Williams, but said it was the Roosters that got the deal over the line and expressed his delight at his decision to play again in 2014.
"It's great for the fans, the Roosters and the competition," Smith said.
"Sonny had an outstanding year and I think he's really looking forward to the opportunity ahead. It certainly adds to the positive feeling around the World Cup and the 2014 season."

Footage on Thursday of Williams having lunch with NZRU general manager Neil Sorensen and Chiefs coach Dave Rennie intensified speculation he was going back to rugby.
Sorensen admitted the news was a blow, but it seems likely he'll be back in the 15-man game in 2015 head of the Rugby Union World Cup.
"Disappointing but we put our best foot forward, and in the end Sonny made his decision, Sorensen said."
"We obviously worked pretty hard to bring Sonny home, and we have had some really good conversations with him.
"As we do with many players who leave New Zealand, we will continue to keep the lines of communication open with him about his playing career."

 

[Micistm]

I find this laughable considering any sort of Williams related news has the same people having a crack. And then you say you are sick of hearing/reading about it all, but there you are giving your opinions on the matter. In fact I'd say you for example have nearly made just as many posts on SBW and his Kiwis turn round earlier this week then anything else Kiwis related this whole season.

I know if I was truly sick of hearing/reading about a player I wouldn't be for starters following the news on him and then giving my opinions on the matter every time he does something. Pretty counterproductive to what you supposedly want really. In fact weren't you coming up with conspiracy ideas about his future plans a couple of days ago? :lol: Sounded like you were some sort of fairfax journalist ;-)

If you notice several posts ago I was giving credit where due and eating humble pie;-) Commending for the quick contract solution without all the usual BS (and it is that past BS that has people groaning). Fair cop- I agree when I heard he suddenly wanted into the Kiwis my immediate reaction was 'what's he up to?!.' I also cringed at the weeks on Winston Peters crap we were about to endure.
But- Again- Credit where due that it is sorted quickly before the WC and prevents it overshadowing it.

Crowd goes Wild summed it up brilliantly before on their show. "There are some who will not have a bad word said about SBW, there are some that will not accept anything good he does. But let's be blunt here- He's not a Dick. But sometimes he can do dicky things, like this week.";-)

 

[Micistm]

I find this laughable considering any sort of Williams related news has the same people having a crack.

...And the same who will defend him to the hilt regardless circumstance. As we've covered, the two factions and never the twain;-)

 

[harrytats]

He certainly did the world cup organisers a favour... after the fiasco of the last British world cup which was played out in front of empty stadiums they need all the marquee names they can get!

 

[Fast Eddie]

...And the same who will defend him to the hilt regardless circumstance. As we've covered, the two factions and never the twain;-)

I don't think I've tried to defend how he went about it, he screwed it up. I just focused more on the fact that we are going to have our best player playing at the biggest tournament for the Kiwis rather than get to tied up on how it happened.

 

[Micistm]

Fair enough...but like it or not as is often said SBW is a walking headline, this situation is a big news story this week, which is why it come up.
But the reason it grates is because his fanbase just will not accept anything has been done wrong by their hero. When you've heard Lowe or Kemp knocking Kearney and the NZRL this week- Has ANYONE heard either of those clowns even slightly concede this is of SBWs own doing? They haven't!
The idiots phoning Newstalk just basically raving all things SBW and saying anyone bringing up this topic are haters? Kerry Woodham gave up in the end- Pointing out they're not 'haters'- this is a big news story and SBW is in the wrong in this case- but then just let them have their praise time instead.
There are fanboys in the media too- Ian Smith on Live Sport has been very critical of this situation, feeling more sorry for Harris and Kearney rather than just focussing on the Golden Boys return. He tried to discuss it with Grant Nesbit, who ignored the question and the situation specifically and started raving about SBW: Is there anything he can't do, he's wonderful etc etc... Lol, you actually heard Smith sigh and scoff in the background! And that's what grates- you can't discuss this particular news story without being deemed a hater. It is big news and unprecedented.

I wonder if Harris's family are 'just happy with having our best player in the tournament rather than get tied up with how it happened...' ;-)

 

[ozbash]

I was giving credit where due and eating humble pie;-)

:shock:

onya mate, you deserve a DB ;-)

 

[Fast Eddie]

I wonder if Harris's family are 'just happy with having our best player in the tournament rather than get tied up with how it happened...' ;-)

I'm sure they feel disappointed, but as a Kiwis fan who wants to see us win the WC I don't really care in the grand scheme of it all. Obviously it would have been better if it didn't happened that way but the right result ended up taking the place.

Once again i do find it funny how everything you do related to Williams is counterproductive to what you supposedly want. That is why he is such a big name I spose.

 

[beefstew]

Um, there it is again...'hater', 'bitter' etc. I think you overestimate how much time people put into it. You get sick of the crap for sure, and I know many people that don't watch sport at all that groan because of the overexposure on the news of SBW this and that...
But it is that angle often used by the Sonny Bill Groupies. If you so much as dare to say a word against their boy, you're a hater, or bitter. You also forgot jealous, and 'tall poppy' is a favourite!:lol:
He's a good footy player. Very, very good. He's deserves to be sought after, and on a decent contract, although what goes on is way over the top. The Boxer in him remains to be seen, nor tested as to any decent level- His only genuine fight would have been a knockout loss had it not been fixed- But if he devoted his time to it completely, who knows?
But this week he has acted unprofessionally, and been a bit of a scatty idiot, which has resulted in a coach copping flack unfairly, and a young kids dream shattered. Not a firing squad offence, but still a silly thing that deserves criticism. You say that to some though, and the denial and excuses start up! You're not to say ANYTHING!

Added footnote is messrs Lowe and Kemp are hypocritical and unfair when criticising Kearney and NZRL who have done everything right here, acted honestly in a tough situation for them. Had they listened to Lowe, they wouldn't have had the 'breathing room' when the squad was named and then SBW decided he wanted in. Then Lowe would've said they should've named the team earlier!:lol:

This says it all really, Williams is a great oval ball talent, but he's also dumb as a box of rocks, which has him making some dumb decisions. He's also surrounded himself with dickheads, which leads to dickhead decisions being made in his name. These people have also made him, and more importantly, themselves, rich.