Is St George Illawarra Still A Joint Venture Club

[muzby]

To paraphrase Seinfeld.. we all just cheer for laundry.

The Taj, every other Sunday..

 

[Old Timer]

From 1921 - 1981, Illawarra was part of the dragons catchment area.

From 1982 - 1998 St George chose to go it alone, before being rightfully reunited with Illawarra in 1999..

Premierships:

- St George with Illawarra: 16
- St George without Illawarra: 0

Please take me through the 82 - 98 when St George went it alone scenario?
Surely then, the tail of the dog should have wagged and shown the world that it could stand in its own feet and survive?

 

[muzby]

Please take me through the 82 - 98 when St George went it alone scenario?
Surely then, the tail of the dog should have wagged and shown the world that it could stand in its own feet and survive?

Clearly the tail couldn’t wag itself, that’s why it had to join back up with Illawarra..

And try not to call Illawarra a dog in future.. it’s very rude to call our benefactors by such a name..

 

[Old Timer]

Clearly the tail couldn’t wag itself, that’s why it had to join back up with Illawarra..

And try not to call Illawarra a dog in future.. it’s very rude to call our benefactors by such a name..

Nice try Muzby but no prize
Illawarra are a dud organisation and need as big a clean out as does St George.

 

[muzby]

Nice try Muzby but no prize
Illawarra are a dud organisation and need as big a clean out as does St George.

C’mon man.. that’s such 2017 thinking..

Illawarra are sorted.. It’s St George who need the clean out.. I can only suggest getting it done before it’s too late..

 

[possm]

C’mon man.. that’s such 2017 thinking..

Illawarra are sorted.. It’s St George who need the clean out.. I can only suggest getting it done before it’s too late..

You are right, Illawarra are sorted. They have returned to their natural position of being a feeder club to the mighty Dragons. They no longer have a say or any ownership in SGI and St George Leagues Club is the only rugby leagues club with shares in SGI.

 

[muzby]

St George Leagues Club is the only rugby leagues club with shares in SGI.

*minority share

 

[Willow]

The shares in the JV that were owned by the Steelers were sold to WIN who now own the Illawarra side of the JV.

The shares that were owned by the Steelers were sold to the local baker who made these into half a dozen bread rolls that were sold to the supermarket and they sold these to a restaurant owner who served them up to WIN who therefore owns the Illawarra side of the JV.

The half dozen bread rolls have all been eaten. It's known at the 6 degrees of separation.

 

[muzby]

The shares that were owned by the Steelers were sold to the local baker who made these into half a dozen bread rolls that were sold to the supermarket and they sold these to a restaurant owner who served them up to WIN who therefore owns the Illawarra side of the JV.

The half dozen bread rolls have all been eaten. It's known at the 6 degrees of separation.

What flavour were the rolls?

 

[Overseas dragon]

A foolish approach fraught with danger when you start classifying people by race..

But putting aside this feeble-mindedness, your approach is still just showing that the St George side of things is holding back the Dragons club..

We should take an approach of accepting all people to be fans, regardless of ethnicity. The same goes for players. If you’re a good junior, you’re welcome at the club - regardless of what your family background is..

This is only something we can achieve by freeing ourselves and embracing the Illawarra.

and the orange man obviously has a distinct preference for anything south of bulli .your predjudice stands out like a beacon ,maybe you should change your name to the daptodipstick ..........

 

[muzby]

and the orange man obviously has a distinct preference for anything south of bulli .your predjudice stands out like a beacon ,maybe you should change your name to the daptodipstick ..........

Bulli is a bit far, happy to take everything up to the Georges River (the fishing is good there).

Everything else can go to the Bulldogs.

 

[Willow]

What flavour were the rolls?

Sourdough of course.

 

[muzby]

Sourdough of course.

Delicious.. although I would have appreciated the baker making at least 2 of them cheesymite rolls..

A tasty way to boost your daily intake of calcium and vitamin b..

 

[possm]

I suppose it is now time for St Georges new partner to step up and make positive changes that improve the plight of the Dragons. After all, that is what they are there to do.

 

[muzby]

I suppose it is now time for St Georges new partner to step up and make positive changes that improve the plight of the Dragons. After all, that is what they are there to do.

Positive changes?

WIN have helped usher in governance changes, removed the debt so that we aren’t at the behest of the NRL anymore and launched a nationwide media campaign to increase membership numbers (and therefore revenue)..

Give credit where credit is due, man..

They are some amazingly positive changes in just a short time, and changes that most fans have been screaming out for..


And not sure what this “plight” is? The JV is now in the strongest financial shape it’s ever been in, we’ve got a roster than is strong enough to account for coaching deficiencies and are on track to have record membership numbers (thanks WIN!)

Unless you’re talking about St George’s plight? If so it’s a bit unfair to expect WIN to bail them out too.. If St George are struggling for cash they can always sell the Kogarah games to ANZ or even that new Parramatta stadium..

But you’ve really got to stop the “us vs them” mentality bro.. It’s not healthy for our football club, particularly when that type of negative thinking is coming from the now minority party in the JV.

 

[Saints Forever]

Positive changes?

WIN have helped usher in governance changes, removed the debt so that we aren’t at the behest of the NRL anymore and launched a nationwide media campaign to increase membership numbers (and therefore revenue)..

Give credit where credit is due, man..

They are some amazingly positive changes in just a short time, and changes that most fans have been screaming out for..


And not sure what this “plight” is? The JV is now in the strongest financial shape it’s ever been in, we’ve got a roster than is strong enough to account for coaching deficiencies and are on track to have record membership numbers (thanks WIN!)

Unless you’re talking about St George’s plight? If so it’s a bit unfair to expect WIN to bail them out too.. If St George are struggling for cash they can always sell the Kogarah games to ANZ or even that new Parramatta stadium..

But you’ve really got to stop the “us vs them” mentality bro.. It’s not healthy for our football club, particularly when that type of negative thinking is coming from the now minority party in the JV.

Financially the club is in an enviable position.

Great to see a regional campaign drive for membership for 2019.

Hopefully it will bare fruit.

As for your commentary regarding the “us and them” attitude of some supporters, to me it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black. You are a primary driver in promoting division when you attack the St George JV partner.

Like any marriage it’s important to respect your partner.

Without St George this club has no history of success or tradition.

We are St George Illawarra.

 

[muzby]

As for your commentary regarding the “us and them” attitude of some supporters, to me it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black. You are a primary driver in promoting division when you attack the St George JV partner.

Like any marriage it’s important to respect your partner.

Lol.. the whole premise of this thread is to get rid of the Illawarra aspect of the club.

You need folks like me in here to defend what is the right thing for the club - getting rid of the Illawarra would leave St George exposed for relocation or relegation.

Without St George this club has no history of success or tradition.

As I’ve highlighted previously, when St George were without Illawarra from 1982 -1998 they had no success.

Ergo.. without Illawarra, St George have no success or tradition.

We are St George Illawarra.

We are indeed. The sooner many folks realise this and stop trying to find ways to jettison the stronger side of the JV the better it will be for all...

 

[Saints Forever]

Muzby,

Possm’s original post opening the thread posed a simple question as to whether Illawarra as a football club still had a beneficial interest in the JV having sold its shares to a private company.

Everyone on the forum acknowledges that the Gordon family support the Illawarra region.

But ultimately they own half the shares in the JV, not the Illawarra Football Club.

Hence Possm is correct in his assumption that Illawarra Football Club no longer has a beneficial interest in the JV.

The spirit of the agreement is that the JV represents both the Illawarra Football community and the St.George Football Community.

As far as I am aware, the St.George era you should highlight is from 1921 to 1998,
hence your conclusion is clearly wrong

Unless Cronulla becomes insolvent, our
Club will in all likelihood be relocated because that was and remains Murdoch’s plan.

Despite being a large catchment area for rugby league, the Illawarra locals happily support their local competition often in preference to the JV.

In short they haven’t fully embraced the JV.

The average crowd for Wollongong based games is generally around 12,000.

As for Gordon junior controlling the JV, reality is he doesn’t have a casting vote, so there won’t be any major change unless it’s supported by both joint venture partners.

 

[muzby]

Possm’s original post opening the thread posed a simple question as to whether Illawarra as a football club still had a beneficial interest in the JV having sold its shares to a private company.

Everyone on the forum acknowledges that the Gordon family support the Illawarra region.

But ultimately they own half the shares in the JV, not the Illawarra Football Club.

Hence Possm is correct in his assumption that Illawarra Football Club no longer has a beneficial interest in the JV.

Nope, I think you need to re-read his post. He asks if the St George club is still a joint venture club.

It is. A JV with Illawarra for a licence to compete in the NRL.

As far as I am aware, the St.George era you should highlight is from 1921 to 1998,
hence your conclusion is clearly wrong

1921-1981 Illawarra region was part of the St George area for the NSWRL.. 15 titles..
1982-1998 St George chose to go it alone, without Illawarra.. 0 titles..
1999-?? Illawarra returns to help St George again.. 1 title..

our Club will in all likelihood be relocated because that was and remains Murdoch’s plan.

Not at all. our club is highly likely to be relocated thanks to the exclusive territory we have in to the rapidly growing area from the royal national park through to the Victorian border.

St George standing alone could be highly likely to be relocated so it’s in the club’s best interest to hang on to Illawarra’s coat tails for this magical ride..

Despite being a large catchment area for rugby league, the Illawarra locals happily support their local competition often in preference to the JV.

In short they haven’t fully embraced the JV.

The average crowd for Wollongong based games is generally around 12,000.

As for Gordon junior controlling the JV, reality is he doesn’t have a casting vote, so there won’t be any major change unless it’s supported by both joint venture partners.

You’re Illawarra bashing again. This kind of rhetoric needs to stop as it’s not healthy for you. I get from your user name there is probably a bit of bias towards the St George legacy side of things, but we’re all one big club now..

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