Isaac Luke

[Micistm]

That's pretty much exactly what he said. He mentioned how the playing group all got together before the game and talked about what the Kiwi jersey meant to them, and that they were going out to remind Rangi exactly that. He then he said he lost it, he was worried about what people would say to his kids, and that he has to stop grubby play because he doesn't want to be a grub. He was practically crying and showed genuine remorse IMO. Actually, he also said he went to see Rangi in the sheds after the game, and cried whilst apologising.

I'm not defending his actions -- they were disgusting.

If he feels shit, so he bloody well should. Doesn't excuse it and still deserves some time out.
As for the rest of them standing in a circle saying what the jersey meant to them...Hmmm. Nothing in this tournament looked like an attempt to keep pride in the jersey. Lethargic, uninterested, headless chicken attack and defence, bad basic errors and total lack of discipline does not add up to pride in the jersey IMO. I expect better out of them. Had they lost- let's face it there were heaps out-but gave their all I'm sure we could stomach that. This year they have been poor. Very poor.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

As for the rest of them standing in a circle saying what the jersey meant to them...Hmmm. Nothing in this tournament looked like an attempt to keep pride in the jersey.

I think this is the best point I have ever seen on this forum.

They looked absolutely devoid of any passion throughout the tournament and the only sign of it we get, or we're attempted to be convinced of, is Luke trying to break someone's leg.

We had two centres decide they didn't want to turn up. We had a heartless performance before we went to the UK, then another one against England. They showed up in 08 and in last year's 4N. But to me, they thought they would be able to show up this year, perform poorly, go through the motions and it would be okay as they're still world champions and the All Blacks hogged the limelight anyway. And they're probably right, there's been bugger all fallout.

 

[langpark]

No. Not fine at all. Appalling, immature, disgraceful. Not understandable in the slightest.
Go out and put some big hits on. Don't intentionally injure someone.
We now have the dubious honour of one of the dirtiest players- and one who's happy to admit it.
He should be gone.:x

Exactly!

Rangi Chase's defection was a golden opportunity for them to get fired up about wearing the jersey. I remember when Karmichael chose Aus, the Kiwi boys were pist off and they let him know about it all match. He was targetted all game with big hits, and he even got knocked out by Pritchard. They were playing aggressive but clean footy. THAT is how it should be done, and that is the exact aggression I was hoping to see in the England/NZ match...

 

[Micistm]

I think this is the best point I have ever seen on this forum.

They looked absolutely devoid of any passion throughout the tournament and the only sign of it we get, or we're attempted to be convinced of, is Luke trying to break someone's leg.

We had two centres decide they didn't want to turn up. We had a heartless performance before we went to the UK, then another one against England. They showed up in 08 and in last year's 4N. But to me, they thought they would be able to show up this year, perform poorly, go through the motions and it would be okay as they're still world champions and the All Blacks hogged the limelight anyway. And they're probably right, there's been bugger all fallout.

Yes, they have really got off lightly for a very poor tournament, maybe damn lucky the ABs came through to take the focus off. Or maybe people are just thinking 'typical Kiwis, hot/cold as usual...', and don't give one. They only have themselves to blame if that's the case.

 

[ozbash]

How many of you have ever tried to break someones leg by twisting it in footy, bullrush or tiddlywinks ?

It is impossible, cant be done.

The whole deal is a media beat up, the Aussie press grabbed it and the rest climbed on board. Saw Bully's interview and I thought he was having trouble holding in a smile.

He is guilty of stupidity and its 1-0 to Rangi...

 

[Penrose Warrior]

How many of you have ever tried to break someones leg by twisting it in footy, bullrush or tiddlywinks ?

It is impossible, cant be done.

The whole deal is a media beat up, the Aussie press grabbed it and the rest climbed on board. Saw Bully's interview and I thought he was having trouble holding in a smile.

He is guilty of stupidity and its 1-0 to Rangi...

Oz, I like you. You're a passionate man. But you're blind. The original story was by Aaron Lawton, who is a Kiwi.

In answer to your first question...not me. Ever. I've tried to smash blokes plenty of times, but not twist and break their legs.

Luke has been a dirty, underperforming grub in 2011. And he got fired up to hurt Chase apparently, but not enough to play decent footy.

 

[ozbash]

And I think you;re ok too

The original story was by Aaron Lawton, who is a Kiwi.

maybe, but the original story started in the UK and the Aussies grabbed it (mind you, so did our media).

Luke has been a dirty, underperforming grub in 2011.

underperformed, yep

grub ? bit harsh and a 'media driven' over reaction, if I may be so bold

 

[Fast Eddie]

What would be the point in dropping him from whole year of test footy? What a stupid suggestion. Luke and players would turn on the management pretty quickly and it would do nothing to help improve our team apart from cause disharmony. Can't drop a guy from 4-5 test because he did something that got 2 weeks suspension. Before this year he had been one of our best performing players in the previous years. Some of these posts are ridiculous.

 

[Manurewa_Marlins]

Exactly!

Rangi Chase's defection was a golden opportunity for them to get fired up about wearing the jersey. I remember when Karmichael chose Aus, the Kiwi boys were pist off and they let him know about it all match. He was targetted all game with big hits, and he even got knocked out by Pritchard. They were playing aggressive but clean footy. THAT is how it should be done, and that is the exact aggression I was hoping to see in the England/NZ match...

Ironic, considering Pritchard isnt the slightest Kiwi.

 

[Micistm]

Oz, I like you. You're a passionate man. But you're blind. The original story was by Aaron Lawton, who is a Kiwi.

In answer to your first question...not me. Ever. I've tried to smash blokes plenty of times, but not twist and break their legs.

Luke has been a dirty, underperforming grub in 2011. And he got fired up to hurt Chase apparently, but not enough to play decent footy.

Um..it's also worth noting that's what Luke SAID he was trying to do! Not the sharpest knife in the cutlery tray, our Issac.:lol:

 

[Micistm]

What would be the point in dropping him from whole year of test footy? What a stupid suggestion. Luke and players would turn on the management pretty quickly and it would do nothing to help improve our team apart from cause disharmony. Can't drop a guy from 4-5 test because he did something that got 2 weeks suspension. Before this year he had been one of our best performing players in the previous years. Some of these posts are ridiculous.

**** the players, frankly. They can pull their respective heads in if they choose that path-but doubt if they would. Luke has been in poor form and a penalty liability. Picking the team is nothing to do with them. Gives them a message no one is safe from being dropped if they don't front up. And on that last tourno, doubt if many could suggest they deserved their positions.

 

[Rich102]

**** the players, frankly. They can pull their respective heads in if they choose that path-but doubt if they would. Luke has been in poor form and a penalty liability. Picking the team is nothing to do with them. Gives them a message no one is safe from being dropped if they don't front up. And on that last tourno, doubt if many could suggest they deserved their positions.

 

[Fast Eddie]

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**** the players, frankly. They can pull their respective heads in if they choose that path-but doubt if they would. Luke has been in poor form and a penalty liability. Picking the team is nothing to do with them. Gives them a message no one is safe from being dropped if they don't front up. And on that last tourno, doubt if many could suggest they deserved their positions.

Ok yeah lets drop 24 year old Luke for a whole year of tests (who admittedly didn't have a great year form wise) for who? 32 year old Nathan Fien who had just as poor year form wise, in fact probably worse. Yeah that will help. Don't make stupid rash decisions when there is no better answer in place just because an act of stupidity this year, how the f**k can you decide on punishing him next year when no footy has even been played and there isn't anyone to take his spot anyway. And if you don't think a reidiculous decision to drop Luke from 5-6 tests because of that one act will cause more problems in the team not only in player quality but would do nothing but cause problems then you are deluisional.

 

[ozbash]

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Ok yeah lets drop 24 year old Luke for a whole year of tests (who admittedly didn't have a great year form wise) for who? 32 year old Nathan Fien who had just as poor year form wise, in fact probably worse. Yeah that will help. Don't make stupid rash decisions when there is no better answer in place just because an act of stupidity this year, how the f**k can you decide on punishing him next year when no footy has even been played and there isn't anyone to take his spot anyway. And if you don't think a reidiculous decision to drop Luke from 5-6 tests because of that one act will cause more problems in the team not only in player quality but would do nothing but cause problems then you are deluisional.

only 1 i in delusional

 

[Micistm]

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Ok yeah lets drop 24 year old Luke for a whole year of tests (who admittedly didn't have a great year form wise) for who? 32 year old Nathan Fien who had just as poor year form wise, in fact probably worse. Yeah that will help. Don't make stupid rash decisions when there is no better answer in place just because an act of stupidity this year, how the f**k can you decide on punishing him next year when no footy has even been played and there isn't anyone to take his spot anyway. And if you don't think a reidiculous decision to drop Luke from 5-6 tests because of that one act will cause more problems in the team not only in player quality but would do nothing but cause problems then you are deluisional.

One act, and the admission it was his intention to actually injure the guy! Seriously, what ****wit actually does that, comes out and says he was trying to break the leg of an opposition player?
Add the poor form, add the talk from the coach he needed to step up as a senior player, and has been one of the most ill disciplined ones there.
IMO it is more than 'one act'- his admission of deliberately intending to injure has bought the game into disrepute, and the Kiwis into disrepute. I am stunned it has not been plastered all over the news.
And lets be honest- A year away from the game is what, 3-4 games?
We have enough #9s to cover, and you are entitled to your opinion...mine is he has gone way down in my book and I would prefer he prove himself worthy to be back in the Kiwis.

 

[Beavers Headgear]

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Ok yeah lets drop 24 year old Luke for a whole year of tests (who admittedly didn't have a great year form wise) for who? 32 year old Nathan Fien who had just as poor year form wise, in fact probably worse. Yeah that will help. Don't make stupid rash decisions when there is no better answer in place just because an act of stupidity this year, how the f**k can you decide on punishing him next year when no footy has even been played and there isn't anyone to take his spot anyway. And if you don't think a reidiculous decision to drop Luke from 5-6 tests because of that one act will cause more problems in the team not only in player quality but would do nothing but cause problems then you are deluisional.

Leuluai has performed far better in the 9 than Luke in the recent past so no issue with him playing 80 and Fien as a backup

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

Lack of options meant Luke had to be picked.
If we have more options, i'd like to see him dropped for a while until he sorts himself out.
However Fien isn't getting younger, and Heremaia is off to the UK which pretty much ensures that Luke will get the jersey all of next season unless he is injured.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Does Jeremy Smith get dropped for a year also for dropping his elbow/forearm into Tomkins head? He obvisouly did that with some intent to injure. At least that would make more sense since we have far better depth and cover in that position. Yeah sure he has to prove himself in the NRL to retain his position, which he probably will. You can't write a guy of from a whole year of tests and say he has to prove himself to get back in when you are not even open to the possibility of his NRL form next year being counted towards his selection. The only thing that could come from dropping luke from all tests next year irrespective of how he is playing because of an on field incident in which he recieved a 2 WEEK ban, thats right a 2 week ban would be alienation of Luke and the other players, picking worse players in front of him and probably piss a lot of the fans of as well.

 

[Micistm]

Does Jeremy Smith get dropped for a year also for dropping his elbow/forearm into Tomkins head? He obvisouly did that with some intent to injure. At least that would make more sense since we have far better depth and cover in that position. Yeah sure he has to prove himself in the NRL to retain his position, which he probably will. You can't write a guy of from a whole year of tests and say he has to prove himself to get back in when you are not even open to the possibility of his NRL form next year being counted towards his selection. The only thing that could come from dropping luke from all tests next year irrespective of how he is playing because of an on field incident in which he recieved a 2 WEEK ban, thats right a 2 week ban would be alienation of Luke and the other players, picking worse players in front of him and probably piss a lot of the fans of as well.

You are missing the point he has publically stated he fully intended and attempted to injure the guy. But you are right about the 2 week ban, after an admission like that he should have got far more. Utter Grub.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Yeah it was a stupid move to come out and say that, but it was part of him accepting responsbility for it and admitting what he did on the field was stupid. One quote like that is worth him being dropped for 4-5 tests? No way.