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Bulldog Force

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I dont see how letting them fold and creating a new franchise is going to help.

The titans have already built a supporter base. Albeit a small one, to just let that die and start another club would be going back to square one. It would be the what? the 4th franchise the gold coast has had, making it even harder to attract fans.

The bailout option, although costly is much better in the long term IMO.
5th!

  1. Giants
  2. Seagulls
  3. Chargers
  4. Titans
  5. SE QLD???
 

Raiderdave

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theres absolutley no way in hell the ARLC will abandon the Titans & the Gold Coast

even though they have nothing to do the situation the Titans are in
the AFL/ Suns & their mong supporters would have a field day .. if we did

lets sort out this centre of exellence situation
sell it .. to recoup the debts
get a better deal at Skilled park from the QLD govt
increase funding through the new TV deal for the Titans

& they'll be fine

then take the fight right to the AFL ... jam it fair into them
the Suns are a joke
they would be no match for a Titans side even half going well
we have the better product
the Titans & our game will prevail on the GC ;-)
 

magpie_man

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Searle says in that article that the football operations arm of the organization is turning a profit, its just the debt repayments on the coe which is killing them. Surely the NRL can give them a spare $2 mil a year once the new tv deal is finalized to help them with this debt. It'd a shame if they had to sell the coe which would be a good revenue stream for them in coming years.
The last thing they'd want is the AFL to buy it for the suns...
 

big country

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well the storm have been propped up with over $100 million in free handouts since their existence and have 1 premiership to show for it - so why cant the titaniums, no? :cool:
 

newman

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Searle says in that article that the football operations arm of the organization is turning a profit, its just the debt repayments on the coe which is killing them. Surely the NRL can give them a spare $2 mil a year once the new tv deal is finalized to help them with this debt. It'd a shame if they had to sell the coe which would be a good revenue stream for them in coming years.
The last thing they'd want is the AFL to buy it for the suns...


While the ARLC are doling out millions, can they give $2million to the Sharks to help with their significantly smaller $10million debt?
 

newman

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In perspective, Cronulla is in $12-15 million of debt and their assets (which includes Toyota Stadium and the surrounding land) is valued just below that. A building in Robina is unlikely to recover $30 million in debt.

Cronulla are in $10 million worth of debt. It will be $12 million if the development doesnt go ahead and they service the loan at current repayment rates (which is in a holding pattern).

The non developed land is worth $8.6million under current zoning. With the development approval it will be worth closer to $50 million.
 
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I think the Sharks have been given enough handouts from organisations like the NSWRL in the past haven't they? Especially considering they then shat on that organisation and helped News Ltd rip the game apart not long afterwards.
 

Perth Red

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ARLC should buy the cofe if they consider it will eventually be worth more than whatever GC need for it. Searle has said $30mill isn;t the figure so not sure why people are taking this reporters amount as gospel.

ARLC could use it as their centre of excellence for RL in that region, rent out space to QRL, Titans and have all the RL in that regions admin running out of it.

Would be stupid to ditch the Titans brand after they have worked to establish it and only reason I could see for it is if Searle does a Palmer and goes into conflict with teh governing body.

Sounds like srvicing teh debt ($1.5mill a year according to Searle) is where the problems lay for the Titans. If he to be believed and the football side of the org is travelling alright then the ebst investment would be to see the ARLC buy the cofe, Titans don;t have to service that debt and can concentrate on running a NRL club. A new board, better stadium deal and some investors would also be high on the agenda.
 

Perth Red

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ps people keep going on about lack of supporters for some bizarre reason. Yes their crowds have been dropping but cost and performance are a big part of that, not appetite for RL in the region. Consider this
Titans crowd avg
2007 2nd best supported team in the NRL
2008 2nd best supported team in the NRL
2009 3rd best supported team in the NRL
2010 4th best supported team in the NRL

Even last year, as poor as they were, they still drew a better home crowd than 9 other NRL sides that finished higher than them.

It's hardly dire compared to some clubs!
 

magpie_man

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While the ARLC are doling out millions, can they give $2million to the Sharks to help with their significantly smaller $10million debt?

Sure, why not?
If a club has the foresight to invest in their long-term viability, the arlc should be giving them a hand
 

applesauce

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If you were a Reds, Bears or Bombers/Jets fan or supporter I would be worried.

TV companies are seeing the financial struggle the NRL is in and could be used as leveraged in the TV rights.

Plus if the Titans fall there goes a game each week, and if they are replaced, there goes a chunk of viewers and value of at least 1 game a week.

The ARLC will see how diabolical this situation haas become in "rugby league heartland" and the Reds will seem all too hard.

Perception is everything, and it is not looking good right now.
 

docbrown

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It may actually be viable for the NRL to buy out the centre of excellence after the broadcast deal.
 

Generalzod

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I think the Sharks have been given enough handouts from organisations like the NSWRL in the past haven't they? Especially considering they then shat on that organisation and helped News Ltd rip the game apart not long afterwards.

Like no other clubs recieved handouts from the NSWRL lol, Well as for joining news limited was the best move for Cronulla's survival....
 

newman

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I think the Sharks have been given enough handouts from organisations like the NSWRL in the past haven't they? Especially considering they then shat on that organisation and helped News Ltd rip the game apart not long afterwards.


I was being sarcastic.
 

Perth Red

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Don't think it makes a lot of difference apple. If the game was in line to get the same media deal as last time then I agree there would be no way they would be looking at expansion with so many basket case existing clubs but we are talking about a doubling of income if the $billion is to be believed. That's going to be close to $100mill a year extra income for the game to invest and spend. Increasing club grants by $2mill, which should see most clubs right, still leaves $68mill spare a year. Two new clubs are going to cost around $18mill a year to bring in, without them the game loses $X from the media deal anyway, so it isn't a large spend to expand the comp and expansion always brings new energy and a new buzz to a competition.

That still leaves $50mill a year to grow the game and invest for the future!
 
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Like no other clubs recieved handouts from the NSWRL lol, Well as for joining news limited was the best move for Cronulla's survival....
And the worst thing for the game, so why should I give a f**k about them? Selfish clubs who put themselves ahead of the entire sport don't deserve to survive. More than 15 years on and the club is still not pulling its weight. It's sucking as much money as all the others out of the game but not delivering the benefits, and that goes for potential clubs that could take/have taken its place as well. That's why so many people want them gone. The same can't be said of the Titans, even considering the mess their owner has got them in.
 

joshreading

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Here is what people are missing and it is a simple issue.

The GC Titans as a football club are PROFITABLE!!! No one is disputing this. They started an arm (property) that has clearly overstretched their capacity.

Now, can you please state the name of your team if it is profitable in a year to year basis from its football operations.

In Sydney to my knowledge we have ONE team.
Brisbane is, NQ Cowboys normally are. That is presently about it (in general outside of a side making the GF)
 

joshreading

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It may actually be viable for the NRL to buy out the centre of excellence after the broadcast deal.

I actually wonder whether the QRL which seems to be fairly flush with money should buy it, allow the Titans to use part of it (renting it) and develop a Centre of Excellence for RL in Qld.
 
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Here is what people are missing and it is a simple issue.

The GC Titans as a football club are PROFITABLE!!! No one is disputing this. They started an arm (property) that has clearly overstretched their capacity.

Now, can you please state the name of your team if it is profitable in a year to year basis from its football operations.

In Sydney to my knowledge we have ONE team.
Brisbane is, NQ Cowboys normally are. That is presently about it (in general outside of a side making the GF)
At a CRL meeting recently Gallop said that seven clubs are currently broke, along with the NSWRL. Even that seems optimistic but I guess it depends on your interpretation.
 

El Diablo

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Australian has a similar article

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...facing-scrapheap/story-fnca0von-1226306611547

Cash-strapped Gold Coast Titans facing scrapheap

by: Brent Read
From: The Australian
March 22, 2012 12:00AM

GOLD Coast managing director Michael Searle last night insisted his resolve was as steely as ever as it emerged the Australian Rugby League Commission was in the process of weighing up what to do with the financially stricken club - including the extreme measure of allowing the Titans to fall over before starting a new team from scratch.

ARLC chief executive David Gallop yesterday confirmed the commission had engaged a major accountancy firm to gather as much information as possible on the Titans' financial picture, which has been the source of conjecture for months.

Gallop declined to discuss possible solutions to the Titans' woes but it is understood the club's financial position and future occupied much of the discussion at Tuesday's meeting of the independent commission.

Among the alternatives believed to be discussed by the commission was the slim prospect of allowing the club to collapse before setting up a new team on the tourist strip. Commissioners are also believed to have discussed the option of the NRL taking over the existing licence.

Searle, however, insists that won't be happening. He has acknowledged the club's financial issues, which are related to loans taken out to build the Centre of Excellence. The building has also been the subject of legal action, the latest involving The Reed Group. The construction company has begun court proceedings over claims it is owed more than $1 million.

Searle disputes the figure. However, he has confirmed he will sell the building to alleviate the financial squeeze on the Titans. There have been suggestions the property arm's debt could exceed $25m. Searle denies it is that high.

Searle also confirmed he made a request to the ARLC late last year for further funding as the club jostles for space on the Gold Coast with a cashed-up AFL.

"We put a request in for consideration around the AFL," Searle said. "Which club in western Sydney hasn't done the same? All we're saying is that yes, we need some support. It's not rocket science when the AFL gives the (Gold Coast) Suns $20m.

"What we have to do is very different to what other clubs have to do. I think our club is entitled to some form of support.

"If anything, my resolve is more steely now than it has ever been. I fought for a long time to have a football team on the Gold Coast, I will fight for a long time to keep it here on the Gold Coast.

"As I said last week, we will do whatever it takes to make sure this football club is sustainable in the long term."

Searle has, however, given up on the idea of retaining the Centre of Excellence. He said last night he would definitely off-load the facility, a move that he believes will remove any doubts over the club's future.

"We have had a heap of people approach us about wanting to buy the building," Searle said.

"Some are investors, some are football fans. I will make a considered decision at the appropriate time. Suffice to say, as a club we're willing to consider selling the building if it increase the club's profitability by $1.5m.

"The property arm costs the football club money. By us getting rid of the property arm, the football club's profits will increase by $1.5m a year."

Searle also insisted the Titans would make a significant profit this year despite disappointing crowds for their home games against Canberra and Melbourne.

"We will be profitable this year," Searle said. "We're forecasting a profit of $1m. Our budgets for Canberra and the Storm were met."

The Gold Coast club is stepping up its bid to sign Melbourne star Cooper Cronk.

Gallop confirmed the ARLC was in talks with Searle and awaiting a report on the club's finances.

"We have got some outside people assisting us with that. Hopefully that information will be available in the next few days," Gallop said.
 

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