"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

[mongoose]

It's Sydney clubs which are actually playing decent footy.

The only reason the gold coast has an afl and nrl team is purely to spite the other code.

Both teams are icons of failure and mediocrity. And the Titans/Chargers/Seagulls have brought nothing to the game.

And they may as well move the Titans to Brisbane to be the second Brisbane reserve grade team.

"The Sydney clubs" uhhh... there is 9 of them and one of those is on the bottom of the ladder

 

[Perth Red]

The introduction of a new Queensland NRL team would generate between $15.5 million and $33.7 million, not enough money to offset the negative impacts on existing clubs, according to a report.

Twelve of the 16 NRL clubs were sufficiently concerned about the potential impacts of a new franchise that they stumped up about $7000 each to commission a report into the matter. While there would be some benefits to the game as a whole – in the form of additional games and revenue – the research by consultancy company GEMBA found it wasn’t sufficient to offset the damage to existing clubs, particularly those in Queensland.

A 17th club would bring in between $13 million and $25 million in additional broadcast funding, while non-broadcast revenue would increase by $2.5 million to $8.7 million. However, several clubs the Herald has spoken to believe that the status quo should remain unless there is a guarantee that an extra $30 million to $40 million is there to be distributed.
For a new club to be sustainable, it would cost $23.6 million to run and would need to make $10 million a year. It would also require what GEMBA describes as 148,000 “fanatical” supporters, as well as 10,000 members, to be viable. In order to do so, the new franchise would likely need to take fans from existing clubs, while there will be further competition for sponsors, players and other human talent.

The findings are of particular concern to the Broncos, Titans and Cowboys, who are already struggling on the field. The research states that existing clubs could lose up to three players from their roster if a 17th team is given the green light, further diluting talent and adversely affecting the quality of matches.
While Queensland players make up 25 per cent of all NRL players, a fourth Queensland team would directly compete for those wishing to remain in the state, amplifying the pressure on the existing sides.

So concerned are some club bosses, that there have been discussions about engaging legal assistance to review the ARL Commission constitution with a view to finding a lever to block expansion. The Herald has been told the existing clubs don’t have veto power over the issue, but they could seek to introduce it via a special general meeting, at which amendments to the constitution can be introduced. However, such a development would require the 16 clubs and two state bodies to be in alignment, which is an unlikely outcome.

The upsides to expansion include an increase in viewing numbers of between 3 per cent and 10 per cent, a projected 5 per cent increase in match-day attendances and a boost of between 4 per cent and 7 per cent in television audiences.

However, the report concludes that the extra costs and risks don’t make it an appealing enough proposition.
“It’s been an extensive piece of work, more than 200 pages that speaks to a 17th team with a retweaked draw for an extra 12 games each year,” said Titans chief executive Steve Mitchell, who played a key role in commissioning the report.
“Out of that there is an opportunity to extract some commercial upside from the broadcast and non-broadcast revenue from sponsorship and wagering revenue.
“However, the total of that revenue, we have fears it doesn’t underpin the risks around the cannibalisation of fans in Queensland in particular and the impost on clubs.
“You’ve got to bring in 34 new players into the competition, there’s the dilution of the current playing group. We’re already at an unusual time in the game with increasing blowouts, so there’s risk there. And then you have inflationary [pressures], we’ve already got managers pausing player retention conversations because they want to see what this other team is doing.

“There are a lot of things we need to look at before we move forward.

“This piece is about testing assumptions, the ability to look at two pieces of work and really digging into what this means to the game and the current shareholders. Because it will be hard to change it once we move forward.”
The GEMBA report has been forwarded to the NRL and the clubs expect the governing body to make its own findings available to them.

Report into NRL expansion concludes 17th team doesn’t add up

A report commissioned by 12 NRL clubs has found that the addition of a 17th NRL franchise will do more harm than good to the competition.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

NRL should call their bluff and say if they are saying there isnt enough player depth due to current weak clubs they are goign to cull two to strengthen the depth and quality of the comp lol.
The whole player depth thing is such an unmeasurable quantative exercise that how would you know if there is ever enough talent to expand? What is the defining measurement??
The TV value seems wildly speculative as well. I wonder if Ch9 know they are expected to pay $13-25mill more a year? Certainly given the Fox deal is done they wont be stumping up anything for the next 6 years.

 

[flippikat]

NRL should call their bluff and say if they are saying there isnt enough player depth due to current weak clubs they are goign to cull two to strengthen the depth and quality of the comp lol.
The whole player depth thing is such an unmeasurable quantative exercise that how would you know if there is ever enough talent to expand? What is the defining measurement??
The TV value seems wildly speculative as well. I wonder if Ch9 know they are expected to pay $13-25mill more a year? Certainly given the Fox deal is done they wont be stumping up anything for the next 6 years.

Exactly. Maybe it's time to prune the tree, to be able to grow the tree.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Precisely.

Nevermind that the GC has been a money-losing, under performing pit for just about every sports league since forever - the AFL & NRL are playing "chicken" in the market against each other and neither wants to be the one that blinks first.

Yes, you’d think the supporters of these concepts would be in a hurry to admit the wondrous benefits of their brilliant ideas.

The league model in particular has gone through a number on incarnations, mascots and colours etc. Fairly taken the fans etc up there as being mugs and disposable.

The way tech is panning out, it’s just a matter of time before google and co buy into the game and even cable becomes legacy.

Despite every trick under the sun, the nrl has been unable to flatten the clubs competitively.

As crowds and interest dies, I’m sure we will have to revisit the draft. That might be the only way to break through.

And by the way, its always a good idea to introduce more clubs during a global pandemic with weird mutated strains developing.

 

[flippikat]

As crowds and interest dies, I’m sure we will have to revisit the draft. That might be the only way to break through.

A draft will be limited in it's effectiveness while there's another similar code (Rugby Union) with earning potential that young talent can go to.

Drafts work best when the player base either has practically no alternative pro competition they can go to.. eg AFL & NFL , or no where else they can play the game & earn big money (eg NBA, MLB - sure there's other pro Basketball or Baseball leagues, but the difference in money is vast)

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

A draft will be limited in it's effectiveness while there's another similar code (Rugby Union) with earning potential that young talent can go to.

Drafts work best when the player base either has practically no alternative pro competition they can go to.. eg AFL & NFL , or no where else they can play the game & earn big money (eg NBA, MLB - sure there's other pro Basketball or Baseball leagues, but the difference in money is vast)

I agree in principle and concede the need for a tweak.

I must say however that I find the score blow-outs are getting tedious and I miss the noble mid-field arm wrestle.

But each to their own.

 

[reanimate]

SHOCKING: Report finds exactly what the people who paid to commission the report wanted to find.

 

[MugaB]

SHOCKING: Report finds exactly what the people who paid to commission the report wanted to find.

Ironically the same person who is driving this is also coming from the last expansion team??? Whoda thunk it!

 

[flippikat]

Ironically the same person who is driving this is also coming from the last expansion team??? Whoda thunk it!

It's called "pulling up the ladder once you've climbed it"

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Ironically the same person who is driving this is also coming from the last expansion team??? Whoda thunk it!

Its a living I suppose.

Chasin the old (gravy)train.

The games finest exploiters, immortals!

 

[Perth Red]

Draft would only work if you restructured the development pathways from 16 onwards. Works in AFL as the AFL clubs arent, by and large, paying for development of jnr players in elite pathways under 21's. There is no incentive for the current system of a club spendign to develop a jnr player just to see them oicked up by another club in the draft.

One way the NRL could get around the player drain would be to offer salary cap (and even financial support) to sign from outside the current NRL squads. So any new club coming in gets 5 year salary cap bonuses for players signed from SL, French RL, Union, PNG, or second tier. Might see some creative recruitment.

Just some of the ex NRL talent running around outside the NRL (dont know union players but there must be some decent talent in that code to poach)


1. Lachlan Coote
2. Morika Koroibete
3. Curtis Rona
4. Greg Inglis
5. Suliasi Vunivalu
6. Blake Austin
7. George Williams
8. George Burgess
9. Matt Parcell
10. Korbin Simms
11. Andre Savelio
12. John Bateman
13. Brad Takarangi


On top of that theres around 30 plus other ex NRL players in SL plus at least 20 English players that would be strong first teamers in NRL. Some incentives for the new club to link up with PNG to develop players from there longer term. The solution to player depth is out there if the NRL gets out of the box and the other clubs pull their heads in.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Draft would only work if you restructured the development pathways from 16 onwards. Works in AFL as the AFL clubs arent, by and large, paying for development of jnr players in elite pathways under 21's. There is no incentive for the current system of a club spendign to develop a jnr player just to see them oicked up by another club in the draft.

One way the NRL could get around the player drain would be to offer salary cap (and even financial support) to sign from outside the current NRL squads. So any new club coming in gets 5 year salary cap bonuses for players signed from SL, French RL, Union, PNG, or second tier. Might see some creative recruitment.

Just some of the ex NRL talent running around outside the NRL (dont know union players but there must be some decent talent in that code to poach)


1. Lachlan Coote
2. Morika Koroibete
3. Curtis Rona
4. Greg Inglis
5. Suliasi Vunivalu
6. Blake Austin
7. George Williams
8. George Burgess
9. Matt Parcell
10. Korbin Simms
11. Andre Savelio
12. John Bateman
13. Brad Takarangi


On top of that theres around 30 plus other ex NRL players in SL plus at least 20 English players that would be strong first teamers in NRL. Some incentives for the new club to link up with PNG to develop players from there longer term. The solution to player depth is out there if the NRL gets out of the box and the other clubs pull their heads in.

Not much incentive now for clubs to develop juniors only to watch them walk out.

Panthers being reamed for having an outstanding junior pathway and lethal talent scouts.

Good points but, thanks.

 

[Jim Rockford]

Not much incentive now for clubs to develop juniors only to watch them walk out.

Panthers being reamed for having an outstanding junior pathway and lethal talent scouts.

Good points but, thanks.

Come on Phantom, how else can the Drizzle assemble a team if they can't plunder other clubs juniors? Didn't you know it's up to other clubs to develop juniors so that the Drizzle can then swoop in and reap the benefits. We must not do anything that impedes the Drizzles quest for success.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Precisely.

Nevermind that the GC has been a money-losing, under performing pit for just about every sports league since forever - the AFL & NRL are playing "chicken" in the market against each other and neither wants to be the one that blinks first.

It would be nice to have a successful team on the Gold Coast, but the place seems to be cursed. I hope the Titans can become a very successful team, on and off the field, but I won't put any money on it coming to fruition and will believe it when I see it. They have some of the most loyal and nicest fans in the game and I want to see the club succeed for them, but if the club is still struggling in 10 years, the NRL might have to change things up.

I would adopt them as a second team if they rebranded as Gold Coast-Logan Titans because they would be accepting my city, which would be a sign of goodwill and make me feel connected to them, but I don't know if an association with Logan would alienate Gold Coasters.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Come on Phantom, how else can the Drizzle assemble a team if they can't plunder other clubs juniors? Didn't you know it's up to other clubs to develop juniors so that the Drizzle can then swoop in and reap the benefits. We must not do anything that impedes the Drizzles quest for success.

The alternative for the riff is to sign up 12 year olds. Indentured slave labour, adopted out by their parents to the club, thesmug lease them back to their parents for the non-footy part of their upbringing.

DNA taken and sold to the drizzle so Bellamy can create Frankenstein players.

No more theft of juniors.

Brad Takarangis for everyone cuz!

 

[Perth Red]

This is the problem with clubs being responsible for jnrs, they feel a smug level of self entitlement to hold on to them forever more (or at least until they wan trid of them then its on your bike). RL is so old fashioned in a lot of how it goes about its business, jnrs and the notion of "home grown" being one of them. And now it comes back to bite the game when we are trying to expand it, but but but the new club will steal all OUR players.

 

[Jim Rockford]

Of course if it wasn't for the clubs that actually produce juniors, then there wouldn't be any players and thus no NRL. Then the Drizzle would have to find another sport to play and totally different clubs to leech off.

 

[Perth Red]

Of course if it wasn't for the clubs that actually produce juniors, then there wouldn't be any players and thus no NRL. Then the Drizzle would have to find another sport to play and totally different clubs to leech off.

When you say produce jnrs, do you mean in a test tube or something?

or maybe the NRL and state bodies could do there jobs to get as many kids as possible playing the game then the NRL clubs do their jobs and pick up the best of them at 16 and turn them into professionals? But weve been over this ground. Easy for a club leeching off the community with pokie machines to say how great they are at spending money on jnrs.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Let's be real, there's no way the VRL/NRLVIC will ever get white kids from Melbourne to play RL instead of fumbleball. The only kids in Melbourne that will play the game are Polynesians and Melanesians who live there. A white kid from Queensland or NSW who is unfortunate enough to live down there might play our game, but the pressure from the other kids at school to play fumbleball would be enormous.