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"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

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The ARL Commission is ready to push back a call on expansion as they postpone meetings with the bidding parties for at least a fortnight and prioritise keeping the premiership afloat.
The three expansion aspirants – Redcliffe Dolphins, the Brisbane Firehawks and Brishane Jets – were due to present to the full commission on Monday but the latest Covid outbreak in Sydney left the game’s powerbrokers with little choice but to redirect their energies.

Talks with the respective bidders will now be held later this month, forcing the commission to delay a decision on a 17th team until August at the earliest. The commission had originally planned to discuss the respective bid presentations at a meeting on Tuesday before making a decision at the end of July.

That meeting is now expected to be dominated by the game’s response to the latest Covid threat, which has forced the NRL to put the clubs back in high-level biosecurity protocols and created a significant degree of uncertainty around the destination of the third State of Origin game.

That match is scheduled to be held at Stadium Australian in just over two weeks but there is every chance it will be moved, with McDonald Jones Stadium in Newcastle the likely destination provided the NRL is able to have spectators at the game.
ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys confirmed talks with the three expansion bids had been delayed for the foreseeable future as the game navigated its way through the latest Covid threat.
“We postponed that because at the moment our priority is to keep the competition going,” V’landys said.
“We were supposed to meet the (Brisbane Broncos) and we postponed that as well. All hands are on deck. This virus is significantly more contagious than the previous one.
“We have to make sure we have a more detailed plan. We’re not going to take any risks. We have to be very cautious.”
Asked when the talks with the expansion aspirants would go ahead, V’landys said it was too difficult at the moment to provide a time frame.
“We will talk about it tomorrow,” he said.
“I don’t want to set a finite date at the moment.”
The news will come as a blow to Redcliffe and the Brisbane Firehawks, but could breathe new life into the Brisbane Jets bid as they attempt to secure the financial muscle to compete with their expansion rivals.
The Australian last week revealed that the Jets had sent a confidential tender document to investors and sponsors seeking to shore up their finances in the lead-up to a decision by the ARL Commission on the 17th licence.
The Jets have now been given some additional time to make the numbers stack up, although revelations of their financial uncertainty has left them as the outsiders in the process given the cash both Redcliffe and the Firehawks have at their disposal.
The delay in a decision will also leave the successful bidder with less time to piece together their roster for 2023, although the likes of Kalyn Ponga, Viliame Kikau and Ryan Papenhuyzen could potentially be up for grabs.
If Queensland Rugby League chair Bruce Hatcher had his way, expansion would be delayed for much, much longer. Hatcher remains an advocate for partial relocation of an existing Sydney club, whereby they play a significant number of their home games at Suncorp Stadium, before eventually moving operations to Brisbane.
“It is too early and I want a strategic alliance,” Hatcher said.
“Above all else, we need a game at (Suncorp Stadium) every week. I really don’t see how just creating another team is going to add anything.
“If you create a new team, I cannot believe it can be competitive in one year. I would prefer to have a transition period where a strategic alliance is done with a Sydney club and then at the end of three years we see how it has gone financially.
“Then it becomes an obvious answer that they can merge.”

 

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If you were smart about it you wouldn't relocate the Sharks to Brisbane, you'd relocate the license.

In other words you'd come up with a reason to revoke the Sharks license, give it to another entity in Brisbane to run an NRL team, and send them to the NSW cup.

That'd add a team in Brisbane that people in Brisbane might actually be interested in supporting, keep the league at 16 teams, free up the Sharks contracted players to become the core of the new team, while still leaving the Sharks intact to continue operating out of Cronulla in the NSW cup.

It'll never happen though, nor am I sure that Cronulla would actually be the logical choice for the Sydney team that gets the cut.
That's not a bad idea. I'm not sure of the answer to this, but do the NRL have the power to revoke a license?
 

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That's not a bad idea. I'm not sure of the answer to this, but do the NRL have the power to revoke a license?
Bruce Hatcher fkd up, they were better off targeting the tigers, not the sharks for the brisbane move, not sure why he think sharks are a better fit for relocation, when there's better targets that don't really have a home stadium. Kenty also brought up the reverse idea and that St.George technically isn't a Sydney Suburb, so that in keeping the exact branding, name, mascot basically everything and porting them to play out of suncorp would work better as far as his understanding regarding hatcher's comments...
Personally i agree with Buzz Solthfield in just leaving everything as is, and just welcome in the 17th team, as it will only strengthen more pathways out of QLD, and a few early years of teething will only be nessesary until the effects of having more content coming from SEQ is looked upon as a great boon for the game overall, and to be honest long overdue
 

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Bruce Hatcher fkd up, they were better off targeting the tigers, not the sharks for the brisbane move, not sure why he think sharks are a better fit for relocation, when there's better targets that don't really have a home stadium. Kenty also brought up the reverse idea and that St.George technically isn't a Sydney Suburb, so that in keeping the exact branding, name, mascot basically everything and porting them to play out of suncorp would work better as far as his understanding regarding hatcher's comments...
Personally i agree with Buzz Solthfield in just leaving everything as is, and just welcome in the 17th team, as it will only strengthen more pathways out of QLD, and a few early years of teething will only be nessesary until the effects of having more content coming from SEQ is looked upon as a great boon for the game overall, and to be honest long overdue
St George has a huge fan club in Brisbane. They'd have to drop the Illawarra part but he Sharks could take the area on.

Wests Tigers is an interesting one. A move to Brisbane would solve their nomadic existence problems and their shit stadium problems. It would also make sense to link up with the Brisbane Tigers to have a local link since they are one of the current bidders anyway.

I do tend to think though that the time for culling, merging or relocating Sydney teams has past, it would cause to much ill-will and the media would jump all over it. If one of the clubs falls over, the NRL should let them naturally die and find their place in the NSW Cup.
 

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St George has a huge fan club in Brisbane. They'd have to drop the Illawarra part but he Sharks could take the area on.

Wests Tigers is an interesting one. A move to Brisbane would solve their nomadic existence problems and their shit stadium problems. It would also make sense to link up with the Brisbane Tigers to have a local link since they are one of the current bidders anyway.

I do tend to think though that the time for culling, merging or relocating Sydney teams has past, it would cause to much ill-will and the media would jump all over it. If one of the clubs falls over, the NRL should let them naturally die and find their place in the NSW Cup.
Agreed, but i don't see any one club falling over, it's the same effect of relocation, if tge NRL stands by and does nothing to bail them out... so really none of that will ever happen again...
Unless the club actually pushes for it....
Come on tigers!!! You can do it!!!
 
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Queensland’s shock call to ‘relocate’ Sydney NRL club to Brisbane


Can't post article, but intro gives the gist.

Queensland Rugby League chairman Bruce Hatcher has thrown up Cronulla as a potential NRL team that could be relocated to Brisbane instead of establishing a brand new franchise in 2023.
Base them at Cronulla Park on the Kingston Rd/Compton Rd intersection. There are streets near it called Cronulla Ct, Balmain St and Parramatta Rd.

Logan Sharks.

Plenty of bull sharks in the Logan River.
 

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nonsense, and those that are I doubt they could name the quaterback never mind a tight end or safety. Nfl and nba on fox struggled to get 25k viewers, I doubt either Australian code is shaking in their boots!
Have you read the Gemba NRL expansion report? Broadly speaking it's very well done, and you should give it a look-see if you haven't already; specifically give pages 9 and 10 a read.

Now it's not the focus of the study, so it's not given much attention, but their findings are pretty clear and consistent with what I was saying. American Football, Basketball, MMA, etc, may be small now, but even if we are conservative about their future growth rates they are going to grow big fast, and it's inevitable that that is going to have major impacts market here and abroad.
 
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Have you read the Gemba NRL expansion report? Broadly speaking it's very well done, and you should give it a look-see if you haven't already; specifically give pages 9 and 10 a read.

Now it's not the focus of the study, so it's not given much attention, but their findings are pretty clear and consistent with what I was saying. American Football, Basketball, MMA, etc, may be small now, but even if we are conservative about their future growth rates they are going to grow big fast, and it's inevitable that that is going to have major impacts market here and abroad.
We already have NRL stars wanting to play in the NFL.
 

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It’s not so much the Maroons’ current predicament but a future under ARLC chair Peter V’landys’s expansion plans that concerns Hatcher.

He told the Herald months ago he would prefer a Sydney club, such as Cronulla, to relocate rather than a 17th team be started in Brisbane from three Queensland bids lodged with V’landys.
Hatcher wants to protect Queensland’s 14-team state cup and not antagonise the leagues clubs that fund them.

However, NSW powerbrokers believe any future expansion plans should involve using state cup teams as a fully resourced reserve grade competition to the NRL. It suits the Sydney NRL clubs who follow the “nuclear” model where they control all representative juniors right up to the NRL team.
The Sydney-based NRL clubs have only one state cup feeder team, while Queensland’s NRL teams and the Storm have two or three each. The Broncos are affiliated with Wynnum Manly Seagulls, Souths Logan Magpies and Norths Devils. Queensland’s state cup teams also field the representative junior teams, rather than the NRL clubs, although many of the players are on scholarship with the Broncos, Titans and Cowboys.

The quality of play in Queensland’s state cup is probably superior to NSW, yet only the Storm use the system optimally.
In a round nine weekend where the Storm beat the Rabbitohs 50-0, Melbourne had 10 players, including top ones such as Cameron Munster and Jahrome Hughes, who had each played 38 or more matches for their Queensland state cup feeder teams, the Sunshine Coast Falcons and the Brisbane Tigers.
On the same weekend, where the Broncos lost 19-18 to the Cowboys, the Broncos had only one player who had tallied 38 state cup matches. So, the Broncos are buying NSW talent and not developing their own at a time Queensland has half the NRL player pool to draw from, compared to NSW.
Furthermore, increasing numbers of NRL Pasifika players are nominating to represent their country of heritage.
No wonder there are fears for the future of the Maroons. A 17th team, according to Hatcher, will dilute the existing player pool.

Expansion is the El Nino of football . It causes extreme conditions. We saw that when the old ARL added three teams overnight to the national competition and the Super League war broke out.

There are already enough extreme conditions on the field where rule changes promote momentum which produces blowouts.

Queenslanders seek a period of stability until a new generation arises to sharpen their cutting edge against NSW.

 
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It’s not so much the Maroons’ current predicament but a future under ARLC chair Peter V’landys’s expansion plans that concerns Hatcher.

He told the Herald months ago he would prefer a Sydney club, such as Cronulla, to relocate rather than a 17th team be started in Brisbane from three Queensland bids lodged with V’landys.
Hatcher wants to protect Queensland’s 14-team state cup and not antagonise the leagues clubs that fund them.

However, NSW powerbrokers believe any future expansion plans should involve using state cup teams as a fully resourced reserve grade competition to the NRL. It suits the Sydney NRL clubs who follow the “nuclear” model where they control all representative juniors right up to the NRL team.
The Sydney-based NRL clubs have only one state cup feeder team, while Queensland’s NRL teams and the Storm have two or three each. The Broncos are affiliated with Wynnum Manly Seagulls, Souths Logan Magpies and Norths Devils. Queensland’s state cup teams also field the representative junior teams, rather than the NRL clubs, although many of the players are on scholarship with the Broncos, Titans and Cowboys.

The quality of play in Queensland’s state cup is probably superior to NSW, yet only the Storm use the system optimally.
In a round nine weekend where the Storm beat the Rabbitohs 50-0, Melbourne had 10 players, including top ones such as Cameron Munster and Jahrome Hughes, who had each played 38 or more matches for their Queensland state cup feeder teams, the Sunshine Coast Falcons and the Brisbane Tigers.
On the same weekend, where the Broncos lost 19-18 to the Cowboys, the Broncos had only one player who had tallied 38 state cup matches. So, the Broncos are buying NSW talent and not developing their own at a time Queensland has half the NRL player pool to draw from, compared to NSW.
Furthermore, increasing numbers of NRL Pasifika players are nominating to represent their country of heritage.
No wonder there are fears for the future of the Maroons. A 17th team, according to Hatcher, will dilute the existing player pool.

Expansion is the El Nino of football . It causes extreme conditions. We saw that when the old ARL added three teams overnight to the national competition and the Super League war broke out.

There are already enough extreme conditions on the field where rule changes promote momentum which produces blowouts.

Queenslanders seek a period of stability until a new generation arises to sharpen their cutting edge against NSW.

Hatcher makes no sense. Adding a 4th Queensland team to the NRL will improve the standard of the Queensland Cup as NRL contracted players won't be spread so thinly amongst the 14 clubs. Put a 5th NRL club in Queensland and another from NZ and then you have at least 8 clubs who can link up with the existing Queensland Cup clubs.
 

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Yes they can if the club is in breach of their license conditions, which most clubs have been at one time or another.

A thorough investigation of any of clubs business's would almost certainly throw up some shady shit that could be exploited. Some dodgy third party deals and historic salary cap cheating would probably be enough.
Do you know what is in the club license agreement? Cant say I've ever seen the contract requirements. Short of a club being wind up for financial bankruptcy I very much doubt there is any other reason the NRL would be able to kick a club out. As you said we have had all soerts of dodgy stuff over th eyears by numerous clubs and never a whiff it had put their licenese at risk. In fact the NRL has been pushing for years for clubs to accept a license in perpetuity.
 

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