"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

[MugaB]

Do the dolphins play out of suncorp stadium until a decent sized stadium is built up in moreton bay?

Nope the bid is stated to be at minimum 10 games at suncorp, with the remaining 2 split between either sunshine coast or redcliffe, the narrative spat out on these forums is that they want to play at redcliffe fulltime, which is untrue.
The jets bid has stated this that they are pushing to create a western stadium to move to, nullifying being suncorps 2nd team, dolphins and easts won't be doing that

 

[The Great Dane]

PVL is re-creating the conditions that led to Super League.

The feeling under V'landys is shockingly similar to the bad old days of 'out of town teams' being seen and not heard in the 80s and 90s isn't it.

With streaming growing fast SL 2.0 isn't impossible, but I highly doubt it will actually happen.

 

[The Great Dane]

Nope the bid is stated to be at minimum 10 games at suncorp, with the remaining 2 split between either sunshine coast or redcliffe, the narrative spat out on these forums is that they want to play at redcliffe fulltime, which is untrue.
The jets bid has stated this that they are pushing to create a western stadium to move to, nullifying being suncorps 2nd team, dolphins and easts won't be doing that

They've said that Redcliffe will likely host some games, not just one, and haven't committed a number to the Sunshine Coast either. They've also speculated about taking more and more games away from Suncorp as they grow in the past (i.e. once they can get the Qld government to build a stadium for them).

In other words all their talk about their home ground has been largely non-committal and suspiciously coy, almost like they either don't want to commit ,or they want people to think they are doing something when that's not necessarily what they plan...

Also any game played at Redcliffe or on the Sunshine Coast is one to many for what is meant to be the second Brisbane club. After all, the whole point of a second club in Brisbane was to have a game at Suncorp every week.

 

[MugaB]

They've said that Redcliffe will likely host some games, not just one, and haven't committed a number to the Sunshine Coast either. They've also speculated about taking more and more games away from Suncorp as they grow in the past (i.e. once they can get the Qld government to build a stadium for them).

In other words all their talk about their home ground has been largely non-committal and suspiciously coy, almost like they either don't want to commit ,or they want people to think they are doing something when that's not necessarily what they plan...

Also any game played at Redcliffe or on the Sunshine Coast is one to many for what is meant to be the second Brisbane club. After all, the whole point of a second club in Brisbane was to have a game at Suncorp every week.

Read the bid statement again, i think your confusing dolphins bid with the jets bid, who have stated they are wanting a qld funded stadium

 

[Hartwood]

Read the bid statement again, i think your confusing dolphins bid with the jets bid, who have stated they are wanting a qld funded stadium

To clear up any confusion, this is the official wording from the Dolphins NRL bid website:

"The Dolphins will also explore the option to play some games at the clubs Moreton Daily Stadium and potentially also at the Sunshine Coast Stadium"

 

[The Great Dane]

Read the bid statement again, i think your confusing dolphins bid with the jets bid, who have stated they are wanting a qld funded stadium

Straight from the horses mouth-

Will the team be playing Home games at Suncorp Stadium?
Suncorp Stadium is one of the best rectangle stadiums in the world and the Dolphins NRL team intend to have Suncorp Stadium as its main HOME ground. This is an important element and consolidates the Dolphins position as Brisbane’s second team. The Dolphins Stadium which holds 10,000 people seated will likely host some games and there is also the potential to look at playing games at the Sunshine Coast Stadium each season. The Dolphins inclusion into the NRL will ensure that Brisbane has Live NRL Rugby League on offer nearly every week during the NRL Season.

http://www.dolphinsnrl.com.au/credentials/

I'm not confusing anything!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Why would a person from the City of Brisbane want to support a team that is based in Moreton Bay and intends on moving some of its games there?

If a stadium was built in Moreton Bay then it would more likely than not play most of its games there. Most people from Brisbane would see it as a regional club and not support it.

Same rule applies with Ipswich's bid.

Firehawks is the only bid worth considering

 

[Jim Rockford]

Why would a person from the City of Brisbane want to support a team that is based in Moreton Bay and intends on moving some of its games there?

You could then ask why does someone who lives in Australia want to support a sporting team in New York or Manchester? Attending games is not the sole means of supporting a team.

 

[blaza88z]

You could then ask why does someone who lives in Australia want to support a sporting team in New York or Manchester? Attending games is not the sole means of supporting a team.

The number of Indians I know who are Barcelona fans, it's sickening, talk about plastic fans

 

[The Great Dane]

Attending games is not the sole means of supporting a team.

It is however the most valuable to the club.

Each time a person watches a game on tv it makes the club maybe a couple dollars, if that, each time they attend a game it makes the club a minimum of roughly $20. So the more fans you have attending the better off you are, and the more centralised your club is the broader your will appeal will be.

 

[Jim Rockford]

It is however the most valuable to the club.

Each time a person watches a game on tv it makes the club maybe a couple dollars, if that, each time they attend a game it makes the club a minimum of roughly $20. So the more fans you have attending the better off you are, and the more centralised your club is the broader your will appeal will be.

Wrong again. Buying a membership and merchandise (jersey etc.) earns the club far more money than attending one game.

 

[The Great Dane]

Wrong again. Buying a membership and merchandise (jersey etc.) earns the club far more money than attending one game.

I didn't say anything about a singular game.

It was a nice attempt to dodge the point, though why you'd want to dodge that point IDK.

 

[Jim Rockford]

I didn't say anything about a singular game.

It was a nice attempt to dodge the point, though why you'd want to dodge that point IDK.

It was you who dodged the point of memberships and merchandise earning a club more than attending. Keep trying though, you're like The Little Engine That Could.

 

[The Great Dane]

It was you who dodged the point of memberships and merchandise earning a club more than attending. Keep trying though, you're like The Little Engine That Could.

You're funny.

The point you are trying to dodge is that a centrally based club (the Firehawks) attracts fans from a broader portion of the market, and makes it easier for them to attend games/buy memberships (it's basically the same thing for the most part), and that that is a more successful business model than a club that is based in a disparate part of the city (Redcliffe) where most people either won't connect with the club (just like a person in the far south of Sydney is significantly less likely to be a Manly fan), or it's inconvenient for them to regularly attend.

You say attending isn't the only means of supporting a club, and you are right, but to the club a person that buys a ticket for a game is worth roughly 10 that watch it at home depending on the price of the ticket, and a person that regularly attends is worth significantly more than a person that buys the odd piece of merch.

To be pedantic and try to pretend that that isn't true is just stupid lol.

 

[Perth Red]

Thats why Firehawks are my choice (all other factors being equal). Geographically and neutral brand wise they have the best chance to be the least polarising and the most attractive to the RL fans within a 30km radius of Suncorp that is the base for attending games. The last thing NRL needs is an 3/4's empty Suncorp every game for the new club.

The value of fans to a club is on a sliding scale from someone who watches on TV occasionally to someone who buys a full ticketed membership and plenty of merch every year. The more of the latter, the more financially viable the club. Its no surprise Broncos, Souths and Storm have been able to build financial profitability by creating a large active financially contributing fanbase.

 

[Jim Rockford]

You're funny.

The point you are trying to dodge is that a centrally based club (the Firehawks) attracts fans from a broader portion of the market, and makes it easier for them to attend games/buy memberships (it's basically the same thing for the most part), and that that is a more successful business model than a club that is based in a disparate part of the city (Redcliffe) where most people either won't connect with the club (just like a person in the far south of Sydney is significantly less likely to be a Manly fan), or it's inconvenient for them to regularly attend.

You say attending isn't the only means of supporting a club, and you are right, but to the club a person that buys a ticket for a game is worth roughly 10 that watch it at home depending on the price of the ticket, and a person that regularly attends is worth significantly more than a person that buys the odd piece of merch.

To be pedantic and try to pretend that that isn't true is just stupid lol.

If you keep moving the goalposts it's easier to prove your point eh. The initial comparison was attending a game (one game). You're now talking about regularly attending. To me that is just stupid.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I can see 25k people from the southern and eastern suburbs of Brisbane regularly attending Firehawks games at Lang Park because that's in Easts' catchment and within close range of the stadium. I cannot see 25k people from Redcliffe travelling to Lang Park every fortnight.

 

[Perth Red]

I can see 25k people from the southern and eastern suburbs of Brisbane regularly attending Firehawks games at Lang Park because that's in Easts catchment and within close range of the stadium. I cannot see 25k people from Redcliffe travelling to Lang Park every fortnight.

I doubt 5k would! We've seen that RL fans are reluctant to travel so the chances of masses of them spending over an hour going 40kms to get to suncorp regularly are slim, let alone the fact that most of the games will be on FTA so a Thursday or friday night slot is likely.

 

[Jim Rockford]

I doubt 5k would! We've seen that RL fans are reluctant to travel so the chances of masses of them spending over an hour going 40kms to get to suncorp regularly are slim, let alone the fact that most of the games will be on FTA so a Thursday or friday night slot is likely.

With the contempt you have for league fans, I can't understand why you spend so much time on a forum filled with league fans. Bit of a glutton for punishment eh?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

With the contempt you have for league fans, I can't understand why you spend so much time on a forum filled with league fans. Bit of a glutton for punishment eh?

You cannot deny that attendances for our game are lowish compared to AwFuL, NFL and EPL.