"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

[Hartwood]

The sun will have reached its expiry date by then.

I just hope the Firehawks are given the licence, as they will give Brisbane a north vs south and east vs west rivalry and are based just a few KMs from the CBD.

Jets is south but also west# so it shares that with the Broncos and isn't based in City of Brisbane.

i feel like it's a 2 horse race between dolphins and hawks at this point, jets just dont appear to have the finances or assets that the other bids have

 

[MugaB]

f**k me, im just saying that using insults is not how you get your point across

i was wrong, he was just calling you a souths supporter

im not responding to you again because this whole thread is derailed and i realise that im part of the reason why

Yep like i mentioned, double standards, calling out jim, but not grotd, both were at each other over multiple posts both insulting, yet you focused on jim, because you think grotd might actually be the pathetic loser, jim thinks he is, so you're here to stick it to jim for it, QUEEENSLANDAAAAA

I get it bro.... underdogs till we die!!!!

 

[MugaB]

i feel like it's a 2 horse race between dolphins and hawks at this point, jets just dont appear to have the finances or assets that the other bids have

I reckon dolphins are in, purely on the distance away from bronx and titans areas, and the growth of population north of brisbane, moreton bay, and sunshine coast...
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...Besides what is a firehawk? Nature's arsonists, that's the throwaway line most media will put up, they messed up, shoulda gone with "sabres" and kept the tiger as a mascot

 

[Jim Rockford]

f**k me, im just saying that using insults is not how you get your point across

I agree totally with this but if someone starts lobbing them at me you better believe I will return serve.

 

[MugaB]

you better believe I will return serve.

Deuce!!!

 

[Hartwood]

I reckon dolphins are in, purely on the distance away from bronx and titans areas, and the growth of population north of brisbane, moreton bay, and sunshine coast...
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...Besides what is a firehawk? Nature's arsonists, that's the throwaway line most media will put up, they messed up, shoulda gone with "sabres" and kept the tiger as a mascot

I hope you're right, firehawks have a shit brand and will struggle for support. Dolphins are already a very well supported club. I just worry that the Dolphins will be seen as a purely Redcliffe club, if Dolphins are admitted then the Broncos must do more to in Ipswich to make sure the AFL do increase their footholds there

 

[Perth Red]

Its very hard to know without knowing what backing the Jets have lined up. It may be the Bombers group has brought with them a plethora of corporate support $'s for sponsorship. Media has questioned their financial ability to survive. I dont think the notion of moving games to Ipswich if they got a stadium out there is a plus for them, but Vlandys does love his suburban football so who knows?

Firehawks are the most interesting as on paper they look like they could be the most successful at engaging a centralised fanbase and getting healthy crowds at Suncorp. They do have some strong Jnr development in their region they will lean heavily on to produce first team players. The branding is a bit vegemite, some will love it others will hate it.

Dolphins have a very strong financial security which we know a gun shy NRL will be looking for but they are an outer suburb brand and if the inner suburbs of Brisbane will get behind a Redcliffe perceived team is a very big question mark. Branding is strong with Dolphins being a very marketable brand. Moving games to their own stadium which isnt really fit for NRL is also a bit of a worry and of they have long term plans to move permenantly to Redcliffe they could end up another Manly.

It'd be fascinating to see the three bids applications.

And then on top of all that Covid could well delay any decision anyway by 12 months as the NRL grapples to keep the comp alive and hemorrhages more money.

 

[Perth Red]

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo has given the game’s expansion aspirants hope that their pursuit of the 17th licence remains on track despite the immense financial challenges confronting head office and the existing clubs.
The ARL Commission had planned to turn their mind to expansion in the latter stages of last week but the escalating Covid-19 concerns in Sydney meant those discussions were put on the backburner.

With Covid still wreaking havoc with the competition – the third State of Origin game was moved to the Gold Coast and 12 clubs have been relocated to Queensland – there had been speculation that the commission’s move to a 17-team competition would be delayed by 12 months or more.
Certainly the existing clubs have become increasingly concerned about the prospect of expansion in the current environment. However, Abdo insisted no decision has been made and a call on a 17th team would be finalised with the game’s future as much as its present in mind.

“Expansion is a long-term proportion and it needs to create value in the long term,” Abdo said.
“While we are laser-focused on keeping the competition going right now, we are also focused on the medium term and long term.

“So the consideration on whether or not it is feasible, whether it creates value and what does expansion look like, is still absolutely on the working plan and the agenda.

“I will need to take direction from the commission on timelines and adjusting timelines, but nothing has been decided at this point.”

The three bidding parties – Redcliffe, the Brisbane Firehawks and the Brisbane Jets – were due to front the commission a fortnight ago but those presentations were delayed until later this month.

It is understood they are yet to hear when they will get their chance to speak to the commissioners, but there is a growing sense that there is no real rush given the financial impact on the existing clubs bought about by Covid-19.

Money, as always, has become the burning issue. Not just from the broadcasters, but also from head office as they face the very real prospect of being forced to again help clubs who are counting the cost to their bottom line thanks to the latest Covid-19 outbreak.

No crowds means no gate receipts, no corporate box sales and no merchandise. The hole in their budget was filled by the NRL last season and there will no doubt be calls for them to come to the party again.

The NRL are aware that their existing clubs are bleeding. At the same time, they will be forced to shell out millions after being forced to move 12 clubs to Queensland – it is estimated that the cost of relocation will be measured in the tens of millions.

In that environment, many clubs are wondering how can you even consider announcing plans to introduce another team from 2023. The clubs were already worried, having raised their concerns privately with the NRL and publicly through the pages of his newspaper.

The commission has assured the clubs that they will host a meeting of chief executives and chairs to outline their plans, but the priority right now is on simply keeping the existing competition afloat.

A 12-month delay may not be a bad thing in many respects, providing a 17th team with additional breathing room to ensure they put together a team capable to being competitive in their first season.

They would automatically have access to more players – the likes of Daly Cherry-Evans, David Fifita, Cameron Munster, Harry Grant, Dylan Brown, Latrell Mitchell, Victor Radley and Sam Walker all come off contract at the end of 2023.

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[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I hope you're right, firehawks have a shit brand and will struggle for support. Dolphins are already a very well supported club. I just worry that the Dolphins will be seen as a purely Redcliffe club, if Dolphins are admitted then the Broncos must do more to in Ipswich to make sure the AFL do increase their footholds there

I thought Firehawks was a bizarre name when it was announced, but now I love it. Of the three bids, I think it is the only one that has a chance of developing a strong fanbase in the City of Brisbane, which is what a team playing all its matches at Lang Park will need if it wants to draw 20k+ attendances.

If I was PVL I would liaise with thh QLD Gov about upgrading Dolphins Oval to 20k so the Moreton Bay Dolphins can be brought into the league as a regional team. That would be a good footprint for our game and give us a huge advantage over our competitors.

 

[Perth Red]

I thought Firehawks was a bizarre name when it was announced, but now I love it. Of the three bids, I think it is the only one that has a chance of developing a strong fanbase in the City of Brisbane, which is what a team playing all its matches at Lang Park will need if it wants to draw 20k+ attendances.

If I was PVL I would liaise with thh QLD Gov about upgrading Dolphins Oval to 20k so the Moreton Bay Dolphins can be brought into the league as a regional team. That would be a good footprint for our game and give us a huge advantage over our competitors.

Would be a waste of a valuable NRL place to bring in another small struggling outer suburban team. NRL has enough of them already.

 

[Jim Rockford]

Would be a waste of a valuable NRL place to bring in another small struggling outer suburban team. NRL has enough of them already.

Just like bringing in a team in a city far,far away that doesn't care about rugby league, only AFL, would be a waste of a place. Therefore no Perth is the way to go.

 

[MugaB]

Would be a waste of a valuable NRL place to bring in another small struggling outer suburban team. NRL has enough of them already.

I think it works if there's 3 teams playing out of suncorp, but dolphins only play 2-4 home games at redcliffe, not fulltime, and only if the stadium can at least take 15-20k minimum, right now its too small to do anything like that.. as far as the 3rd team either be the other permanent suncorp tennant or do the same as mentioned above, but all 3 need to be majority based out of suncorp

 

[The Great Dane]

As far as can be seen from what is publicly available the Firehawks are the only viable option.

Maybe the Jets have some tricks up there sleeves, but considering their focus on Ipswich I highly doubt it.

 

[The Great Dane]

I hope you're right, firehawks have a shit brand and will struggle for support.

Most people hated the Raiders brand when it was announced. Similar is true of the Broncos, though hate might be a strong word in that case. Manly started out as the Seagulls but people where so meh on it that they just kind of naturally changed it to the Sea Eagles. The Dragons were 'the Dragon Slayers', but that was too wordy so everybody just referred to them as the Dragons and they pretty quickly forgot about the slayers bit.

Look at the Jackjumpers in the NBL, every ignorant person on the mainland slammed their name despite it being possibly the most fitting name for a team in the history of sports.

There are plenty of other examples where clubs brands were disliked, mocked, or ignored when they started out but are now fiercely embraced, and Firehawks will be no different once people take the time to learn what it actually means.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Would be a waste of a valuable NRL place to bring in another small struggling outer suburban team. NRL has enough of them already.

West Coast Pirates have a good bid and a stadium in place. Perth ticks all the boxes for the 18th licence.

 

[Jim Rockford]

Surprise,surprise. Moe thinks Curly is right and Larry likes the idea as well.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

I reckon dolphins are in, purely on the distance away from bronx and titans areas, and the growth of population north of brisbane, moreton bay, and sunshine coast...
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...Besides what is a firehawk? Nature's arsonists, that's the throwaway line most media will put up, they messed up, shoulda gone with "sabres" and kept the tiger as a mascot

Do the dolphins play out of suncorp stadium until a decent sized stadium is built up in moreton bay?

 

[Perth Red]

Do the dolphins play out of suncorp stadium until a decent sized stadium is built up in moreton bay?

They would have to, but there in lies the problem with their bid. It doesnt help the NRL in Brisbane to have their second team playing far out of the city on a geographically isolated peninsula with a small population catchment in a 20-22kk stadium. Why would RL fans South of the river support them if that is their end game?

 

[Perth Red]

West Coast Pirates have a good bid and a stadium in place. Perth ticks all the boxes for the 18th licence.

No to be pedantic but we dont have any bid as the chairman of the NRL thinks we are a waste of money!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No to be pedantic but we dont have any bid as the chairman of the NRL thinks we are a waste of money!

PVL is re-creating the conditions that led to Super League.