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"It’s very realistic to say that we’ll have a second team in Brisbane in 2023": V'landys

Hartwood

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theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/expansion-clubs-have-been-asked-to-show-nrl-the-colour-of-their-money/news-story/81a8218ccb5c1027c6f29638ab14e4e2&ved=2ahUKEwiEzabH9_PwAhUGyzgGHbZuA00QyM8BMAB6BAgMEAM&usg=AOvVaw3_eWgaq-jdsSz2fyQL_EpI&ampcf=1

The ARL Commission has effectively turned expansion into a bidding war after calling on the three aspiring franchises to provide a $10 million bank guarantee as well as an amount they would be willing to pay for a licence to join the premiership.

The commission has made it clear from day one that they would only consider expansion if it made financial sense and didn’t come at the expense of the existing clubs.

Now Redcliffe, the Brisbane Firehawks and the Jets have been asked to show that they have the financial muscle to back their bids and avoid financially troubled waters.

Redcliffe and the Firehawks won’t have any trouble meeting the $10 million bank guarantee — both are backed by affluent leagues clubs with millions sitting in the bank.

The Jets’ financial muscle is more opaque, although they have insisted from day one that the money is there to back their bid for entry in 2023.

The challenge for all three will be to arrive at a potential licensing fee when they have no idea what their expansion rivals are willing to put on the table.

The NRL was always expected to ask the bidders to provide a financial guarantee of sorts given the dramas some clubs have experienced in recent years, most notably Newcastle and the Gold Coast.

Some of the existing clubs have also been pushing for a licensing fee in return for making the new franchise a member of the ARL Commission.

It now appears they will get their way as Redcliffe, the Firehawks and the Jets are asked to confidentially inform the NRL what they would be willing to pay to enter the competition.

Redcliffe would appear best placed to meet the financial demands of expansion given their assets are north of $100 million and their business already turns over more than $30 million each year. They are a financial juggernaut.

The Firehawks, backed by Eastern Suburbs Leagues Club in Brisbane, have more than $80 million in assets and $30 million sitting in the bank. They are spending $9 million on their home at Langlands Park to turn it into a high-performance centre.

The Firehawks continued their assault on expansion on Monday when they had a mural with their emblem placed outside the SCG. The mural is expected to do the rounds in coming weeks as the club looks to ensure it remains in the public consciousness.

The existing clubs will no doubt give the public relations battle short shrift. For many, their only concern is what is potentially in it for them given they are effectively agreeing to give away a share of the game by making the 17th team a member of the commission.

Manly chair and owner Scott Penn had suggested the asking price could be as much as $40 million given the game is conservatively valued at around the $1 billion mark.

That figure is unrealistic — no new franchise would be willing to pay that amount of money to enter the premiership. Yet the existing clubs harbour genuine hopes that expansion will come with a sweetener for them in the form of a one-off payment or gradual increase in the grant.

The matter is set to come to a head in coming weeks as the three bidders finalise their expressions of interest and the commission sits down to decide whether to push the go-button on a 17th team in 2023.
 
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Manly chair and owner Scott Penn had suggested the asking price could be as much as $40 million given the game is conservatively valued at around the $1 billion mark.

That figure is unrealistic — no new franchise would be willing to pay that amount of money to enter the premiership. Yet the existing clubs harbour genuine hopes that expansion will come with a sweetener for them in the form of a one-off payment or gradual increase in the grant.​

LOL!

When the VFL expanded it did exactly this to keep unviable clubs like the Fitzroy Lions alive. One of their two expansion clubs ended up merging with Fitzroy in a takeover just a decade later.

The two weakest clubs in the competition right now are Manly and Cronulla, who contribute SFA to the broadcasters, have tiny fanbases that cannot keep them afloat and would be dead without the annual grant. Penn demanding $40m shows just how desperate Manly are and why I won't shed a tear if they fall over.

Since PVL said Brisbane 2 won't get any bailout, the same bloody standard better apply the next time Manly or Cronulla fall on financial stress. PVL already bailed out the broke Sharks once, so if he does it again then the non-Sydney teams should form their own competition. There's no point accepting second class status. If that were to happen only 3 or 4 Sydney teams would survive.
 

mongoose

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North Sydney Bears to come over the top of the Brisbane bids and become the 17th NRL side lol
 

The Great Dane

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Manly chair and owner Scott Penn had suggested the asking price could be as much as $40 million given the game is conservatively valued at around the $1 billion mark.

That figure is unrealistic — no new franchise would be willing to pay that amount of money to enter the premiership. Yet the existing clubs harbour genuine hopes that expansion will come with a sweetener for them in the form of a one-off payment or gradual increase in the grant.​
To be fair, (IIRC) the A-league got about $20mil out of at least one of their last two expansion clubs, and if an A-league licence is worth that then surely it's possible that an NRL license could be worth double or more.

Not that I'm saying that it should happen, just pointing out that it's not as as unrealistic as it might seem.
 

Jamberoo

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To be fair, (IIRC) the A-league got about $20mil out of at least one of their last two expansion clubs, and if an A-league licence is worth that then surely it's possible that an NRL license could be worth double or more.

Not that I'm saying that it should happen, just pointing out that it's not as as unrealistic as it might seem.
Soccer licences have more value as they can be onsold to rich European clubs just like players can.
This is a ridiculous money grab. The team with the best bid should be the 17th team, not the one silliest enough to risk sending themselves broke with a huge buy in.
 
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So basically expansion has turned into a blind-auction, with the highest "entry fee" bidder paying into a bailout fund for existing clubs that don't have to meet anywhere near the same criteria as the new guys?

Words fail me.
Yep. It would be better if Broncos, Cowboys, Knights, Raiders, Storm, Titans and Warriors gathered together and created their own competiton and, invited Adelaide Rams, Brisbane Tigers, Moreton Bay Dolphins, North Sydney Bears, Southern Orcas, Southern Sydney Steelers, West Coast Pirates and Western Sydney Magpies and a third NZ team to play in it.
 

Perth Red

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Yep. It would be better if Broncos, Cowboys, Knights, Raiders, Storm, Titans and Warriors gathered together and created their own competiton and, invited Adelaide Rams, Brisbane Tigers, Moreton Bay Dolphins, North Sydney Bears, Southern Orcas, Southern Sydney Steelers, West Coast Pirates and Western Sydney Magpies and a third NZ team to play in it.

They could call it a 'superleague" lol
 

flippikat

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Yep. It would be better if Broncos, Cowboys, Knights, Raiders, Storm, Titans and Warriors gathered together and created their own competiton and, invited Adelaide Rams, Brisbane Tigers, Moreton Bay Dolphins, North Sydney Bears, Southern Orcas, Southern Sydney Steelers, West Coast Pirates and Western Sydney Magpies and a third NZ team to play in it.

Now THAT would be super ;)

All puns aside, it's gonna have to take a seismic shift to change the thinking of the "powers that be".

Some of us thought Covid may have been that circuit-breaker, but no.. it's back to the same old thinking that brought our game from being level-pegging with AFL (and a real threat to rugby union here in NZ) to 2nd fiddle.
 

cumbrian Mackem

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Yep. It would be better if Broncos, Cowboys, Knights, Raiders, Storm, Titans and Warriors gathered together and created their own competiton and, invited Adelaide Rams, Brisbane Tigers, Moreton Bay Dolphins, North Sydney Bears, Southern Orcas, Southern Sydney Steelers, West Coast Pirates and Western Sydney Magpies and a third NZ team to play in it.
A bit like the American football league. Maybe after a few years they could also come together again like the AFL and NFL did and like them use a conference system for the 20+ teams.
 
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Now THAT would be super ;)

All puns aside, it's gonna have to take a seismic shift to change the thinking of the "powers that be".

Some of us thought Covid may have been that circuit-breaker, but no.. it's back to the same old thinking that brought our game from being level-pegging with AFL (and a real threat to rugby union here in NZ) to 2nd fiddle.
With so many streaming companies entering the market and limited broadcast rights up for offer, now is the perfect time to create a rebel league. It would be hilarious if it did happen as this time Murdoch would be stuck with the original competition and all the marquee clubs would be with the rebellion league.

STAN Sport could solidify their place in the market and seriously challenge Foxtel with a rebel RL competition focusing on every Australian market, RU, Tennis and perhaps the NBL.
 

flippikat

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Super League drew better crowds than ARL 1997.

If News Ltd had stood up for ALL of it's clubs in late 1997, the game would be in a far better position today.

Imagine News Ltd saying "Bottom line, we want all Superleague clubs - including Perth Reds, Adelaide Rams, and Hunter Mariners (rebranded & moved to Melbourne) guaranteed licenses in the NRL".
 

Perth Red

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If News Ltd had stood up for ALL of it's clubs in late 1997, the game would be in a far better position today.

Imagine News Ltd saying "Bottom line, we want all Superleague clubs - including Perth Reds, Adelaide Rams, and Hunter Mariners (rebranded & moved to Melbourne) guaranteed licenses in the NRL".

If only lol. If they've had moved Hunter to melbourne, kept the other 9 clubs and added 6 or 8 from ARL (Newcastle, Gold Coast, Crushers, Souths, Roosters and Parra ) that would have been a much more diverse top tier comp. The game was already hurting then so that was the time for some drastic restructure. No balls sadly. Maybe some mergers with Cronulla and Illawara, Roosters and Balmain and Wests and Bulldogs?

I reckon this new push to get new franchises to pay for the license is to replenish the $6mill bail out fund that the NRL spent keeping clubs afloat last year. Its another sweetener to get the existing clubs to drop their opposition imo. I wonder if the NRL has got wind that the club funded report on expansion isnt looking favourable so they have come up with a sweetener to get them over the line?
 
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flippikat

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If only lol. If they've had moved Hunter to melbourne, kept the other 9 clubs and added 6 or 8 from ARL (Newcastle, Gold Coast, Crushers, Souths, Roosters and Parra ) that would have been a much more diverse top tier comp. The game was already hurting then so that was the time for some drastic restructure. No balls sadly. Maybe some mergers with Cronulla and Illawara, Roosters and Balmain and Wests and Bulldogs?

I reckon this new push to get new franchises to pay for the license is to replenish the $6mill bail out fund that the NRL spent keeping clubs afloat last year. Its another sweetener to get the existing clubs to drop their opposition imo. I wonder if the NRL has got wind that the club funded report on expansion isnt looking favourable so they have come up with a sweetener to get them over the line?

It's one of those great "What if"s about those interstate teams, it's just a sad fact that after the war, News Ltd AND the ARL were all too keen to cut costs in the short term, and those new frontiers were "low hanging fruit" that enabled both partners to do exactly that.

As far as the NRL's motives in this license fee auction madness go, well yeah.. it's well documented that some existing clubs are "thinking out loud" and airing their concerns - and that's without a club comissioned report leaking. (Imagine THAT scenario!).

If there's a decent licence fee, I imagine they'll be some of that going to placate the dissenting clubs, or even those who are less than 100% behind expansion.. heck, "Bigger grants for EVERYONE!!", yeah? (Oh and some change left in the bank just in case they still can't cut-it and need a bailout... no questions asked, no conditions imposed...)
 

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