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It's too easy to put all the blame on football

El Diablo

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http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...ame-on-football/2009/03/08/1236447048231.html

It's too easy to put all the blame on football

Catharine Lumby | March 9, 2009

Men behaving badly towards women is a problem in all levels of society, not just rugby league, writes Catharine Lumby.

Another footy season. Another alleged assault on a woman. Maybe if we got rid of the NRL or the AFL all of these allegations of violence against women would stop.

And if it was that easy I'd be joining the queue to have footy banned. As someone who has worked on education programs for league players about their off-field behaviour I have to admit I feel like punching a wall every time the front pages light up with fresh allegations.

The standard media analysis for past allegations goes this way: "Footy players are obviously thugs. They're paid too much. They can't cope with the fame. They think they can get away with anything or anyone they want."

The solution? Apparently we keep them away from money, booze and women and only let them out to entertain us - gladiator style - on the paddock. After that we lock them in their bedrooms and put bars on the windows.

It would be truly wonderful if solving violence against women and children were so simple. Unfortunately, 85 per cent of sexual assaults against women go unreported in Australia. The handful brought before the courts are committed by a disturbingly large range of men. Some make too much money in other professions: like merchant banking or medicine. Others are role models: teachers and priests.

Sexual and physical violence against women and children is genuinely epidemic. There are - and this beggars belief - still men walking around who think that women "ask for it" because of how they're dressed. There are men who think their wives and their kids "belong" to them.

The good news is that we've come a long way from the days when domestic violence was considered something that should be left for wives to sort out with their husbands. I have vivid memories of seeing that exact scenario played out in the town where I grew up, though fortunately not in my own home. In the past a lot of sexual assault and violence prevention work focused solely on assisting survivors to recover and ensuring the perpetrators were brought to justice. That work remains important. But moving things forward will involve more: it means focusing on prevention, not just on repairing the damage.

The manager of Rape Crisis NSW, Karen Willis, who also works with the NRL, exemplifies this new direction. Like many in her field, she has spent her career underpaid and overworked helping survivors of assault. She also does innovative research, with Professor Moira Carmody at the University of Western Sydney, into how to prevent this violence in the first place.

Their work points to one overwhelming conclusion: stopping violence against women means recognising that it happens across social classes and realising that we have to start young if we want to change the attitudes and behaviours that give men excuses to abuse women and children.

People like Willis continue to work with the NRL because they have a real commitment to changing the culture. She and I are under no illusions that every footy player will live up to the basic expectations that are set for them.

But we also recognise that the NRL is a male-dominated organisation that is actually working for change and that there are lots of other organisations we'd like to see following their lead.

The alternative? We could, of course, sit back and think we can spot the men who assault women by their postcode, their sporting code or how prominently the assault is featured in the media. The statistics point in the other direction: the assault of women and children is a problem we all need to take responsibility for and work to change.

Professor Catharine Lumby is the director of the journalism and media research centre at UNSW. She is on the education and welfare committee of the National Rugby League.
 

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Unfortunately, 85 per cent of sexual assaults against women go unreported in Australia.
That figure's very startling... but very understandable when you see how people's automatically attitudes toward the woman involved in the Tigers juniors situation last week, and the girl involved in the Stewart situation.
 

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I'm really sick of this woman. All she does is badmouth blokes. Fair enough if criticism is due, but she is the ultimate feminist so I really cannot see how she has an unbiased view on Rugby League and society in general. All this women ever does is comment on how badly men treat women all the time, it may be true in certain cases, but I really do not respect the opinion of someone who looks at issues from only one angle.
 

Kiki

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um...catherine lumby is a huge supporter of rugby league. she has been for years. did you actually read the article?? shes saying that this sorta stuff is not specific to league.

how does her reporting sexual assault statistics = 'bad mouthing blokes'

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She makes some good points but she still makes reference to the fact men treat women badly in general on numerous occasions in that article. I had her as a lecturer at university only a few years ago and she always pushed the point that men always see themselves as dominant and in attempt to prove that by their general agression.
 

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That figure's very startling... but very understandable when you see how people's automatically attitudes toward the woman involved in the Tigers juniors situation last week, and the girl involved in the Stewart situation.

Sad but true, have 2 girlfriends who have been thrashed about, but too scared to go to the police because of the possible repercussions...thankfully, one fled to a shelter along with her baby.

Domestic violence is a huge problem in this society. Thankfully most guys are decent.
 

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She makes some good points but she still makes reference to the fact men treat women badly in general on numerous occasions in that article. I had her as a lecturer at university only a few years ago and she always pushed the point that men always see themselves as dominant and in attempt to prove that by their general agression.

I guess when you dedicate your life to trying to help abused women it is understandable that you may have a somewhat slanted view of the male species!
 

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Hmm. Maybe if we did lock them in a room, albeit a bountiful room full of the most exotic delicacies and women, that might work. I kid.
 

gottabegood

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Just quickly.

She is correcting saying that the problem is simply a reflection of our society...and which effects all nations, not just ours.

But more importantly it is in mankinds nature to be violent, unfortunately it is the most natural of things...and will never ever go away.

And anyone thinking that isolating the players in some way will help (i.e drinking ban), it will probably have the opposite effect, as you will place them a few more rungs away in the pedestal of normality.

........and if women had the same physical strength as men, well things would be interesting.
 

Kiki

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i remember a few yrs ago catherine lumby said something about the fact that footy players lives are so connected to their physicality (ie smashing into each other on the field) and perhaps they find it difficult to switch that off when they aren't on the field.
 

Simo

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That figure's very startling... but very understandable when you see how people's automatically attitudes toward the woman involved in the Tigers juniors situation last week, and the girl involved in the Stewart situation.

Id like to know how anyone can come up with a stat for unreported crimes.....seems if they are unreported it would be a guess??
 
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It's good to hear from a woman who isn't Rebecca Wilson (and knows what the f**k they are talking about). Granted she has negative things to say about men, but find 1 single woman who doesn't and I'll give you $1000000000000000000000000000000.
 

Kiki

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Id like to know how anyone can come up with a stat for unreported crimes.....seems if they are unreported it would be a guess??

they usually mean unreported to police ... doesn't mean they haven't told friends/counsellors etc.
 

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.....The solution? Apparently we keep them away from money, booze and women and only let them out to entertain us - gladiator style - on the paddock. After that we lock them in their bedrooms and put bars on the windows.

It would be truly wonderful if solving violence against women and children were so simple. Unfortunately, 85 per cent of sexual assaults against women go unreported in Australia. The handful brought before the courts are committed by a disturbingly large range of men.

Alcohol is simply the enabler. You either have it in you to attack women or you don't. Most of us, no matter how drunk we get would never attack a woman but some will.

And is it any wonder that 85% of women keep there mouths shut when women with the status in the Manly community like Wendy Harmer come out and say what a great guy Brett Stewart is and this couldn't have happened. What she is saying is, Young girl who she does not know at all is a liar!

Good on you Wendy. We could write things here about your character, but your not worth it...
 

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Exactly right if it's a footy player it makes the front page but if it was a local plumber or a coffee shop owner or somebody else who doesn't live in the spot light getting up to those shinanigans you wouldn't hear a peep.
 

Simo

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they usually mean unreported to police ... doesn't mean they haven't told friends/counsellors etc.

ok then, but where then are they getting these collated results?

If you tella friend or counsellor (i thought they were confidential) do they go and report it to some register who then tallies up all reported unreporteed offenses?

Still not sure how accurate this is or is its simply a guestimation.
 
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