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It's too easy to put all the blame on football

SaveTheChildren

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human nature is to go against human nature?

wtf!

you have no idea. I am no maniac.

What you are refering to is culture, dear boy.

Look it up, and it has nothing to do with human nature. It has more to with politics than human nature.

Humans are evolving all the time.

Its pretty simple, you have no clue - sorry - but you don't.

We are actually here to absorb other cells, we now do this by eating food. We are governed only by our genes, of which everything else is a 'slave' to. In order for our genes to survive, we pass them on to our young.

You see, our bodies are but shells. And you have a lot to learn.

Humans have not been defying their natural instincts and urges for 5000 years; we may try to suppress them but they always surface. Your brain is a collection of what could be called "base" or "absolute" commands, and it must carry them out.

Go and read a bit more. Your fundamentals are way wrong.

Did you know that human nature is often contradictory for instance? Or that we have 3 separate and distinct parts to our brains? Reptillian, mamilillian and logical? And they are constantly clashing? DO you ever wonder why you could be watching tv, and all of a sudden you get hungry or even sleepy....so what do you do? Which force is stronger?

(we were not human at this stage) But did you know we only developed brains originally to move muscles, because muscles enabled us to catch food better?

Our end state for our brains (with its logic center and all the rest) was not even thought of when brains came about....

Anyway, you have no bussiness calling people maniacs.

We got to this point????!!! You fool....the human race was at one point almost extinct (or the various humaniod forms, of which there were many)....a catastrophe came about and only one particular type survived, and its surmised they lived in one part of africa.

Humans are here by ABSOLUTE chance. This is just one example...there are other stages of our evolution which we could have become extinct.

We are here by pure luck, pure and simple.

Go read, you are way off track. But you are obviously interested in this subject, so I would think you would find a lot of interesting things out there.
Don't be in a hurry to procreate!
 
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Don't be in a hurry to procreate!

I am sure you are equally repulsive as your words are pointless could be one response for you but in the interest of debate...here is another.

You may think that we humans are the greatest thing ever...and hey I like being a human being, dont get me wrong....but gee, we really are just one species of tens of millions around us and before us.

We are not special in this regard.

If by breaking it down, its exposing the ugly side, so be it. We are what we are. Most of the problems in the world actually exist because people try and defy their nature. In actuallity, a utopian sosicety without murder and rape, etc, is a fallacy.

There is no right or wrong in evolution (only in religion). There just is life and it happens. Its order through chaos.

Don't point your finger at me. I did not make it this way. Its been like this long before I came along.

I am a big believer in law and culture, things that humans have created. I enjoy these things as much as anyone

Let me give you an example: I strictly follow the law - no stealing, no murder, etc. And I accept and love the culture I am a part of. The Australian branch of the wider western culture. But this in no way changes the underlying reasons why we act like we do and are who we are.

As a further example I also hold high certain principles, values and standards. Because there is no hope for a utopian society whereby everyone is all happy all the time and theres no murder or rape, etc, for myself, anyway, it is even more important to protect the weak and elderly. It is also of the utmost importance in my mind to respect women and treat them fairly. I dont kiss their butts, but i dont sling mud at them. I am tolerant and not racist.

I hope I have spelt it out for you enough. Your comment was rash, inmature and untolerating.

I think you will see that since I can explain all this quite clearly, that I am a confident person who understands himself and the world around him...I have traveled extensively, and I enjoy my job, my family and my life. Since I know myself so well, I feel like I can take on any challenge. I feel so alive and happy. My one regret is that Rugby League is not going so great just now.
 
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Pete Cash

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If human nature is so strong then why do different cultures exist ?

Lets face it in the ancient world where it was more pronounced (there is a lot of homogenisation from mass media these days. So the difference between a Yank, a Pom or an Aussie isn't really all THAT pronounced) people who lived just 20 kilometres apart might as well have been another species.

You could walk from Rome to Cisalpine Gaul in a matter of days. So as I said if there is a strong and powerful HUMAN NATURE why do we have so many different cultures. All animals have instinct and we certainly do, but we are rare in the sense that we do not have to fill those instincts straight away. I am hungry right now, but I am also finishing a report for work. I will wait til after I am done to make myself some toast. I am fighting my nature right this second.
 
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If human nature is so strong then why do different cultures exist ?

Lets face it in the ancient world where it was more pronounced (there is a lot of homogenisation from mass media these days. So the difference between a Yank, a Pom or an Aussie isn't really all THAT pronounced) people who lived just 20 kilometres apart might as well have been another species.

You could walk from Rome to Cisalpine Gaul in a matter of days. So as I said if there is a strong and powerful HUMAN NATURE why do we have so many different cultures. All animals have instinct and we certainly do, but we are rare in the sense that we do not have to fill those instincts straight away. I am hungry right now, but I am also finishing a report for work. I will wait til after I am done to make myself some toast. I am fighting my nature right this second.

I understand perfectly what you are saying. You are not wrong really.

Its just that human nature and culture are two different things entirely. They are responses to stimuli. Human nature is primarily derived from how the world shapes us across the course of billions or years.ie comes from the world around us affecting us; culture comes from other brains affecting us.

Also, remember that human nature is in our programming from birth, and culture is programmed into us after we are born.
Humans catch mind viruses. We like what others like, we are swayed by what others think. You basically are what you think. We are impressionable, and our minds cannot filter to any great extent....if you hear something you must consider it. If you hang around crims, you are likely to become a crim for example. If you just know losers, you will no doubt be a loser....if your friends all play soccer, you will likely try to play soccer. Its from our ape-days mostly, a pack mentality that ensured our survival.

One of the best things you can do in your life is to hang around only people who share the same set of ideals as you.

As to culture. Its an extension of this, but remember, culture is a result of the stimulus on your brain by OTHER brains. You can take one group of people and put them on one side of a hill and another on the other....and let them never cross paths for a 1000 years....they would share some traits, sure...but you would notice that for instance, they would have a different language, dress differently, have slightly different ideals. Each group would shape itself differently.

You brain simply reacts to stimulus, and it interprets whats happening around it always, it never stops. Everyone's nature is shaped by the influences in their lives.

As to the clash between toast and your report not entirely true. You see, we are selfish. But we are also gratification-now creatures. We are selfish because it helps us survive. ...your brain is weighing up which option will give you the greater pay-off....but your brain can only primarily assess the short-term benefit. You must think much harder and delay gratification, going to considerable effort, if the option you deem best is a longer-termed one.

The whole gratification now princible is thought to be the single most contributing factor as to why so many people achieve little in their lives. Anything great in life is usually the result of a lot of hard work over the period of a long time. This takes effort, but because the way our brains work, always assessing the greatest short term benefit over longer ones (for supposed survival purposes), few people achieve their full potential.

For weaker people...do they study real hard, or do they party all night with mates....one will bring them a good career in which they are happy but it will take a long time with much hard sacrifice....the other will give them pleasure right away but will lead to a life time of no money and little joy.

Your brain is a powerful tool, but remember it comes preprogrammed in many areas, not all are beneficial these days. Your brain is another muscle, and you must use it right.

Why? Well because in times gone by, life expectancy was short....from a baby you grew up into adolescence, had kids as soon as possible, probably by the age of 15 or 20 most definately...then you lived for maybe 10 years or more before some animal got you or you died of disease, etc...so because life was short, by 30 or so you were dead...there was no reason to give a thought to a longer time-period.

These days...we live for up to 120 years, so a longer time-frame must be taken into consideration...but our brains really work their best with the 30 year time-frame. It takes much more effort to think about the long term...in fact most people really dont care enough, but its through no fault of their own.
 
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SaveTheChildren

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I am sure you are equally repulsive as your words are pointless could be one response for you but in the interest of debate...here is another.

You may think that we humans are the greatest thing ever...and hey I like being a human being, dont get me wrong....but gee, we really are just one species of tens of millions around us and before us.

We are not special in this regard.

If by breaking it down, its exposing the ugly side, so be it. We are what we are. Most of the problems in the world actually exist because people try and defy their nature. In actuallity, a utopian sosicety without murder and rape, etc, is a fallacy.

There is no right or wrong in evolution (only in religion). There just is life and it happens. Its order through chaos.

Don't point your finger at me. I did not make it this way. Its been like this long before I came along.

I am a big believer in law and culture, things that humans have created. I enjoy these things as much as anyone

Let me give you an example: I strictly follow the law - no stealing, no murder, etc. And I accept and love the culture I am a part of. The Australian branch of the wider western culture. But this in no way changes the underlying reasons why we act like we do and are who we are.

As a further example I also hold high certain principles, values and standards. Because there is no hope for a utopian society whereby everyone is all happy all the time and theres no murder or rape, etc, for myself, anyway, it is even more important to protect the weak and elderly. It is also of the utmost importance in my mind to respect women and treat them fairly. I dont kiss their butts, but i dont sling mud at them. I am tolerant and not racist.

I hope I have spelt it out for you enough. Your comment was rash, inmature and untolerating.

I think you will see that since I can explain all this quite clearly, that I am a confident person who understands himself and the world around him...I have traveled extensively, and I enjoy my job, my family and my life. Since I know myself so well, I feel like I can take on any challenge. I feel so alive and happy. My one regret is that Rugby League is not going so great just now.
Uhuh! You weren't too tolerant of smokers the other day.

PS: I was just informing you that you are a wanker (well traveled naturally). I wasn't commenting on your sixth grade philosophy project!
 
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Uhuh! You weren't too tolerant of smokers the other day.

PS: I was just informing you that you are a wanker (well traveled naturally). I wasn't commenting on your sixth grade philosophy project!

Thankyou. Any more random outbursts forthcoming?

I used to smoke btw. The other day, you obviously had no idea what I was saying.
 
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I understand perfectly what you are saying. You are not wrong really.

Its just that human nature and culture are two different things entirely. They are responses to stimuli. Human nature is primarily derived from how the world shapes us across the course of billions or years.ie comes from the world around us affecting us; culture comes from other brains affecting us.

Also, remember that human nature is in our programming from birth, and culture is programmed into us after we are born.
Humans catch mind viruses. We like what others like, we are swayed by what others think. You basically are what you think. We are impressionable, and our minds cannot filter to any great extent....if you hear something you must consider it. If you hang around crims, you are likely to become a crim for example. If you just know losers, you will no doubt be a loser....if your friends all play soccer, you will likely try to play soccer. Its from our ape-days mostly, a pack mentality that ensured our survival.

One of the best things you can do in your life is to hang around only people who share the same set of ideals as you.

As to culture. Its an extension of this, but remember, culture is a result of the stimulus on your brain by OTHER brains. You can take one group of people and put them on one side of a hill and another on the other....and let them never cross paths for a 1000 years....they would share some traits, sure...but you would notice that for instance, they would have a different language, dress differently, have slightly different ideals. Each group would shape itself differently.

You brain simply reacts to stimulus, and it interprets whats happening around it always, it never stops. Everyone's nature is shaped by the influences in their lives.

As to the clash between toast and your report not entirely true. You see, we are selfish. But we are also gratification-now creatures. We are selfish because it helps us survive. ...your brain is weighing up which option will give you the greater pay-off....but your brain can only primarily assess the short-term benefit. You must think much harder and delay gratification, going to considerable effort, if the option you deem best is a longer-termed one.

The whole gratification now princible is thought to be the single most contributing factor as to why so many people achieve little in their lives. Anything great in life is usually the result of a lot of hard work over the period of a long time. This takes effort, but because the way our brains work, always assessing the greatest short term benefit over longer ones (for supposed survival purposes), few people achieve their full potential.

For weaker people...do they study real hard, or do they party all night with mates....one will bring them a good career in which they are happy but it will take a long time with much hard sacrifice....the other will give them pleasure right away but will lead to a life time of no money and little joy.

Your brain is a powerful tool, but remember it comes preprogrammed in many areas, not all are beneficial these days. Your brain is another muscle, and you must use it right.

Why? Well because in times gone by, life expectancy was short....from a baby you grew up into adolescence, had kids as soon as possible, probably by the age of 15 or 20 most definately...then you lived for maybe 10 years or more before some animal got you or you died of disease, etc...so because life was short, by 30 or so you were dead...there was no reason to give a thought to a longer time-period.

These days...we live for up to 120 years, so a longer time-frame must be taken into consideration...but our brains really work their best with the 30 year time-frame. It takes much more effort to think about the long term...in fact most people really dont care enough, but its through no fault of their own.

Perhaps you should read this.
 

Simo

First Grade
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simo im assuming you're a guy yes?? i think it's hard for you to understand what it's like for a woman who's been assaulted.

i don't think you understand that sexual assault and rape dont all happen in a dark alley by a stranger holding a knife to their throat. it isn't black and white. most of it is very much a grey area. murky and scary and confusing.

theres alot of reasons women don't report rape....one of the major ones being they feel ashamed and like it was their fault. they should have 'known better'.

alot of the time they go into complete denial and don't even realise it was rape until later on and by then they feel its too late. sadly, i can speak from personal experience here.

Im sure I dont understand, and I was initially curious how they report stats that are not reported, which has been cleared up.

It is confusing to me that someone can not realised they have had sex against there will (unless a child), but obviously I have never experienced that or known anyone who has (thankfully).

Im sorry for your experiences and hope these topics dont bring up to many bad things.
 

Kiki

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Im sure I dont understand, and I was initially curious how they report stats that are not reported, which has been cleared up.

It is confusing to me that someone can not realised they have had sex against there will (unless a child), but obviously I have never experienced that or known anyone who has (thankfully).

Im sorry for your experiences and hope these topics dont bring up to many bad things.

aw thanks. nah im okay though. it was a long time ago!

as i said, sometimes its too traumatic for the person to deal with at the time so they convince themselves it was consensual/they asked for it/it was their fault etc etc
 
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