Ivan Cleary named Coach of the Year.

[Nugget10]

You can add Rhys Wesser and Joel Clinton to that list.

Some may disagree about Wesser but he came through as a youngster through Penrith's junior system - much like Puletua

Wesser yes but Clinton was a Parra juniour

 

[ashton]

Wesser yes but Clinton was a Parra juniour

Wrong ... Clinton was a Riverstone Junior in the Penrith junior rugby league.

Played lower grades with Parramatta.

 

[darkbloom]

]Statistics for 4 full seasons - Eliot v Cleary.

Eliot Cleary
Games 96 96
Wins 44 43
Win % 44.8% 44.8%
Losses 50 53
Loss % 51.1% 55.2%
Draws 2 0
Points for 2203 1809
Tries for 377 318
Points agst 2296 2010
Tries agst 397 347
Pts Diff -93 -201
Avg Crowd 12427 11050

 

[MaxPower]

Bring back Elliott!

 

[Big Mick]

LOL hardly a comparison. Elliot had a stud team from the outset..totally mismanaged it and stifled junior development.

Clearly had a team full of journeyman for 3 years making do with Clint Newton and Cameron Ciraldo.

 

[darkbloom]

Lol

 

[roofromoz]

LOL hardly a comparison. Elliot had a stud team from the outset..totally mismanaged it and stifled junior development.

Clearly had a team full of journeyman for 3 years making do with Clint Newton and Cameron Ciraldo.

This. Apples and oranges.

 

[darkbloom]

The funny thing about assertions that you can't make comparisons is that I reckon if the figures were more favourable, the comparisons are made.

But they are made on the basis of perceptions not results.

That's OK.

I too think Cleary is way in front of Eliot as a coach.

Most people will do whatever they can to justify their perceptions even when there is strong evidence challenging them. I definitely have my justification of still believing Cleary trumps Eliot despite the stats.

The figure that the coaches have little control over is interesting.

The attendance drop is pretty big - does this indicate anything about the way the club is managing all the non-player stuff?

Personally I think it has been poorly administered in the period covering both coaches but do attendances suggest it is getting worse.

 

[Buzzard Breath]

]Statistics for 4 full seasons - Eliot v Cleary.

Eliot Cleary
Games 96 96
Wins 44 43
Win % 44.8% 44.8%
Losses 50 53
Loss % 51.1% 55.2%
Draws 2 0
Points for 2203 1809
Tries for 377 318
Points agst 2296 2010
Tries agst 397 347
Pts Diff -93 -201
Avg Crowd 12427 11050

A few points in Cleary's favour.
Spoon for Elliott in 07, Non to date for Cleary and under the great myth we never won a finals game. Under Cleary we are 1 win 1 loss in the finals.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Interesting stats.

 

[darkbloom]

A few points in Cleary's favour.
Spoon for Elliott in 07, Non to date for Cleary and under the great myth we never won a finals game. Under Cleary we are 1 win 1 loss in the finals.

Yep.

Though, to me, the spoon stat I think is not that riveting.

There is a very significant stat from this year that speaks volumes for Cleary.

Very few teams that miss out on the finals concede 80 or less tries over the season - we conceded 80 despite using a huge number of players. To me this is an important stat and one that is a solid base for optimism.

 

[maple_69]

Yeah our defence was in the same echelon as the 5-8 teams. Given how horribly screwed around our edges were all year its a fantastic effort. I think more than anything our scramble defence has stood out to me over the past 18 months as being very good. Great sign with the 20s having by far the best defence in the comp that some of the guys coming through over the coming years won't be the turnstiles you normally have to wear for the first few years.

 

[mxlegend99]

Cleary won us a finals match against the first placed Roosters with the likes of Peter Wallace, Tyrone Peachey, Bryce Cartwright and Elijah Taylor missing. There were others that I don't recall. But that's an epic achievement with so many of our attacking players missing and our best defender.

Elliott loses Frank Pritchard for a finals match and brings Adrian Purtell into the forwards to replace him. We had half a dozen or more better options but he chose his pet player for a must win game.

 

[ashton]

How is that going?

How goes the rebuilding?

Jennings, Lewie and Flash hope the cap space was good, as they play finals....type who get you there.

How has that panned out?

Yay Ivan, seems the kiwis like him.

How is the 50 year plan going?

 

[The yak]

:lol::lol:
50 year plan and counting#

 

[Mr Angry]

Sure relevant.

I like the pennies...

But Ivan ain't your man anymore than Flanno is ours.

See on the also rans next year too.

 

[betcats]

Taking advice from a Sharks fan on winning premierships seems pointless.

 

[ashton]

Taking advice from a Sharks fan on winning premierships seems pointless.

They will relocate them to Perth or Qld within the next 10 years.

 

[Mr Angry]

No worries guys just an opinion...

When Ivan goes you may get another..who knows who.

His boy looks good...really...may be the catalyst for him to step down as coach, to do the overall running of all grades....his true skill, wish we could get him for that, at which I am glad his at the pennies, just a great nursery of players...can't keep all..Ivans job...somebody else coach the various grades.

Hey if you win next I won't be upset, I like Penrith.

Beat Manly.

 

[Kilkenny]

I have nothing against the Sharks but I truly believe our roster is much stronger on paper and has greater room for improvement. If we can keep our best 17 fit and healthy for the greater part of 2016 we will finish above the sharks on the ladder.