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Ivan Henjak Seeking Compensation

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Playing club footy and rep footy are two completely different things.

If you are injured in club footy, then you have to cop it sweet, certainly no argument there. Rep footy is quite different, as you are basically forced into the side whether you want to play or not.

I agree, that 99.9% of players would give their eye teeth to play rep footy, but that doesn't change the fact that they sort of "have" to.

All in all though, this discussion is really quite meaningless as these decisions have to made at the club, NRL and ARL level. Will it change, who knows, does it matter, not from a players viewpoint, they are going to get paid anyway. But from a club point of view, it could save them big dollars. However the NRL/ARL would have to find the money from someware, more than likely by giving less to the clubs in the first palce. So we would be back to square one anyway.

The other thing we have to consider, is that all clubs are supposedly created equal, that is they all have the same salary cap arrangements. So thereotically at least all clubs should have the same mix of rep and other players!!!!

GO

i think if a player does not want to play, then he should not have to.

its wrong to force a player, especially when there are so many other players who do want to play in his stead.
 

Pierced Soul

First Grade
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i think if a player gets injured in rep footy then his wages for the time he's out shoudlnt affect the salary cap. i dont think henjack is asking for money, just pointing out that theres a possibility that due to salary cap constraints a young players may not get a game because of it.

i daresay souths werent happy about sutton being in ijured in a game where he was never going to make origin

a lot of posters here are saying 'dont let them play rep footy', isnt that what clubs were doing with kiwi players a few years ago and then the clubs got accused of putting the club ahead of the game....
 

Jason Maher

Immortal
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The Dragons have repeatedly been fined because we had to bring in extra players due to injury. So have Souths. I didn't hear Henjack pleading on our behalf...

Suck it up princess.
 

Haynzy

First Grade
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the problem with injured player's payments not counting toward the cap has issues though.

Clubs who stack their rosters with rep players could afford to claim injuries to said players if their next game is against a weaker opponent and rest them without cost.

Or in general, if a player is out of form, claim injury and get cap exemption.
 

gottabegood

Juniors
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It's a tough one.

What if injuries occurred while playing for the broncos, or even outside of RL, then he plays rep footy (carrying those injuries) then comes off during that rep game.
It's hard to point the finger at rep games in those circumstances...

Backing up is another story...which ties in with TV etc
 

miccle

Bench
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the problem with injured player's payments not counting toward the cap has issues though.

Clubs who stack their rosters with rep players could afford to claim injuries to said players if their next game is against a weaker opponent and rest them without cost.

Or in general, if a player is out of form, claim injury and get cap exemption.

Maybe 10 years ago against Wests, or 7 years ago against Souths.

In 2009, no team is guaranteed a win against any other on any given day, regardless of who takes the field. To save a few thousand dollars, I highly doubt any team would give senior players a week off for an "easy win" and claim they were injured.
 

Nightward

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Honestly, Ivan does have a point.

Take this scenario: a top-flight player is injured, necessitating their replacement with a younger player that has been in the club's development pipeline for quite some time. The new kid shows he has the goods, but bringing him on sends the club over the salary cap. The kid in question has proven his ability and his contract is coming up for renewal, but the club they're with has the rep star to keep paying along with 23 others, making it very difficult-if not outright impossible- for them to compete. The only reason the kid got a walk-on role was through injury, and so they are no certainty to start in the future. So what do they do? Play for low pay and attempt to force their way into the top 17, or accept the offers made by other clubs?

In terms of both financial and career opportunities, it makes the most sense to accept a contract from another club. Garaunteed.

That's a pretty cruel blow; not only does a club lose an injured player for a period of time, but they also loose an up-and-comer.

The more likely scenario, however- and the one Henjak is more probably and quite correctly worried about- is the loss through injury of a star player and the difficulty retaining first graders the following season. With Hodges gone for over a month, some pressure is exerted on the salary cap. Whilst $5, 000 may sound trivial it could literally be the difference between an established player remaining with the club when their contract comes up or accepting a rival bid.

Finally, you've got the Scott Prince scenario. We all know he was, and is, a gun player- but he spent most of his time at the Broncos wearing plaster casts. With him gone, the club had to manufacture a replacement, which put pressure on the cap. And because he had been out for so long, he was unable to establish his case for a good contract, which in turn meant he really had to go elsewhere. Scott was unlucky, no question, but he will be far from the last in that situation, even if it takes a while to come up again.

Ivan is pretty clearly not looking for special dispensation to get cap relief for players who suffer a headache or get the sniffles. Hodges' injury is real and substial, and it will give players like McCullough, Glenn, and Yow Yeh more game time. I do not know what their contract availability is like, but it is obvious that the club is bringing them through gradually to replace more seasoned campaigners when they retire. The Broncos have already lost Taylor this season and are looking increasingly likely to loose Hunt and perhaps others. The last thing they need is to lose good young players they have invested so much in on top of that.

All clubs face this problem, the successful ones even more so.

Perhaps a solution could be found where each club recieves X amount of salary cap relief or rebates each season to cover the wages of players who are used as replacements for those injured severely- meaning, who are sidelined for four or more weeks consecutively.
 
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Tommax25

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the problem with injured player's payments not counting toward the cap has issues though.

Clubs who stack their rosters with rep players could afford to claim injuries to said players if their next game is against a weaker opponent and rest them without cost.

Or in general, if a player is out of form, claim injury and get cap exemption.

It would be an odd scenario for a player to be out of form yet still be picked for rep games...

I think salary cap payments for the young players brought up or perhaps the player who was injured should not be counted for the time they are injured. There definetly should be some concessions.
 

sass

Juniors
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seriously I don't know how this would work. it just seems ridiculous. if a player's good enough to play rep then you know for sure if they weren't in origin they would be starting for first grade on the weekend instead.

it's just as likely they would be injured the weekend before for their club ... unless someone can show me the injury stats for origin are significantly worse than normal rounds, then there's no reason why they should get concessions for an injured player.

specially if it's hodges. he's inured ALL THE TIME.

if SBW was still here they would be running in close competition for who spends less time fit and on the field.
 

sass

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Perhaps a solution could be found where each club recieves X amount of salary cap relief or rebates each season to cover the wages of players who are used as replacements for those injured severely- meaning, who are sidelined for four or more weeks consecutively.

sure it's unfair but I don't think a salary cap exemption across the board will fix it.

even if it's only accessible for a club who DOES have a severely injured player, how do you define what injuries are bad enough? how many weeks? how many times do you get to claim it?

I think bad luck and injuries are just part of the game ... they even out over time.
 

Shorty

Moderator
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What is it with Brisbane and their cranky coaches?
Ivan seems like a right pr*ck.
 

sass

Juniors
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haha shorty. one of these days you will have to learn to form an opinion.
 

gregstar

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here's the other side of the equation ivan you little goat-herder.

think of the benefit to your club each time a player plays rep football.

playing at that level regularly makes them better players which shows when they turn out for your mob.

over the years your club has been blessed with players with big match talent. how did this happen ivan? what level were they playing at to be able to produce the goods in top-of-the-table clashes, semi finals & grand finals?

why do you think the broncs have never lost a grand final ivan?

would it be the big match experience your players garnered from playing origins?

pull your head in you worthless smudge of slug crap.
 

Haynzy

First Grade
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It would be an odd scenario for a player to be out of form yet still be picked for rep games...

Yeah sorry, that coment was more related to an earlier post that referred to making salary cap concessions for any injured player
 

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