Jack Bird set to re-sign with Cronulla

[Mr Red]

You can try and generalise their actions as much as you like to try and justify your point, but the fact remains that one man preyed on another man - his equal. The other guy (I refuse to acknowledge him as a man) preyed on a woman. Anyone who preys on a woman or child is beyond redemption as far as I'm concerned and I don't want them in the Red V. Simple as that.

And to say that one was "rehabilitated" with a contract is written proof of how far you're willing to simplify this argument to prove a point. No-one has ever claimed he was "rehabilitated" with a contract. Firstly - he served jail time, his debt to society has been paid. Secondly, he's been sober since he committed the crime. Thirdly, he's undertaken counselling and is on the record showing genuine insight into his offending and the triggers behind it. His contract is his reward for his genuine effort to turn his life around, not his "rehabilitation".

FTR I am not defending what Packer did (I originally stated my opposition to his signing on this very forum) but since that time he has changed my mind and I believe he is worthy of a second chance.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...347547763?sv=e3661b4bc7a1dca3f2d2188d00a84cc3

ok thanks for clarifying..
so for the record...
Packer steals 2 cigarettes from a WOMAN.
the partner of the woman confronts Packer and asks why he stole from a WOMAN.
Packer King hits him and knocks him unconscious
Packer then stomps on the head of the unconscious man...
club offers him a contract.


AFB kicks his partner -
club sacks him

Dane Nielsen bites a woman on the leg
club sacks him

so you are more then ok for the inconsistency of the club in this regard?
you dont think the clubs decisions in any way were a result of who they do and dont want on their roster from a playing talent perspective?

Packer - NZ international
Nielsen - washed up
AFB - reportedly lazy trainer and unfit

surely youre not that dumb you cant see this?? the Bi-polar and inconsistent response from the club is directly related to playing talent they want on the roster and not the offence.

if clubs were really serious about morales and ethics than Todd Carney would have been long gone from the game..

 

[BennyV]

ok thanks for clarifying..
so for the record...
Packer steals 2 cigarettes from a WOMAN.
the partner of the woman confronts Packer and asks why he stole from a WOMAN.
Packer King hits him and knocks him unconscious
Packer then stomps on the head of the unconscious man...
club offers him a contract.


AFB kicks his partner -
club sacks him

Dane Nielsen bites a woman on the leg
club sacks him

so you are more then ok for the inconsistency of the club in this regard?
you dont think the clubs decisions in any way were a result of who they do and dont want on their roster from a players talent perspective?

Packer - NZ international
Nielsen - washed up
AFB - reportedly lazy trainer and unfit

surely youre not that dumb you cant see this??

I would agree, BUT there are more factors. First of all, AFB and Nielson commited those acts while at the club. Would be a bit of a difference to committed the acts elsewhere.

Also, while that is the extent of Packers crime, you conveniently ignored the extent of his rehabilitation - 12 months prison, extensive counselling and community work, and additional 12 months away from the game, and so on.

And the 'double standards' with regards to Packer vs. AFB and Nielson - AFB is one of the more promising props in the game, got MoM in a Junior International match recently. If we were going to hold one, it would be him.

As for my opinion - I'm torn. Initial thoughts is that I dont want any at the club, but then when I watch the game of league I would cheer for them if they wore a Red V. So who knows!

 

[giboz71]

I don't think we're comparing apples with apples with regards to Packer and AFB.

End of the day, they both committed criminal offences and should be duly punished. We can argue semantics about which was worse, but that is subjective.

Packer committed his crime and was duly sacked by the Knights (in the same way we sacked AFB).

The difference is Packer has served his punishment and shown evidence of rehabilitation, and thus should be considered to play for us or any other club (based on the discretion of the club or the NRL)

AFB has not had the opportunity to do the same. If he does, he should have the same opportunities as Packer does now, whether it's with us or another club (heard rumours that Manly are interested??)

 

[Saints Forever]

Would like to see AFB offered a Cutters Contract and made to perform community service.

If the club helps him deal with his behaviour and he shows genuine contrition, then like anyone else in his position he deserves a second chance.

 

[Saints Forever]

Once Bird re-signs with the Sharks I would like to see this topic closed.

This young man has significant health problems and will struggle to cope with his health problems as he gets older.

Bird is gonski, suggest we accept it and focus on the players we have rather than on a promising junior that may well end up like Cameron King.