Jack DeBelin

[Timmay]

If this stretches out for another year or two his career and life are irreparably damaged.

He could use his defo money to go for malicious prosecution?

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

AFB was guilty was he not when Dragons showed him the door or admitted the indiscretion I apologise if that is incorrect DP but if I am right There is a big difference. JDB..... has not even had a pre trial yet and maintains innocence. Our club know more than the peanut gallery

You make a good point and I will follow up to see what the timeline was exactly.
Having said that, AFB was rehabilitated and returned to playing with Manly almost immediately.
Should JDB get convicted, there will be no return to football for him.
There is also a massive difference between the severity of the charges laid.
I was referring to the support provided by the club.
AFB proved that he could turn his life around (he was 19 when we dumped him) and at Manly has developed into one of the most damaging front rowers in the comp.
I am sure the club has more insight than us peanuts but clinging on to one player through 2 seasons has caused the club significant disruption and continues to do so.
The club also has an obligations to the rest of the squad and (God forbid) the "peanut gallery" who support the club.

 

[twinkletoes]

JDB trial date has now been set down for November 2, which I understand has been accepted by defence attorney. The club now needs to make a definitive statement on what action they will take in terms of termination of contracts, allowing him to continue training, seeking compensation from the NRL etc

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

JDB trial date has now been set down for November 2, which I understand has been accepted by defence attorney. The club now needs to make a definitive statement on what action they will take in terms of termination of contracts, allowing him to continue training, seeking compensation from the NRL etc

Enter Brian Johnston.

 

[possm]

JDB trial date has now been set down for November 2, which I understand has been accepted by defence attorney. The club now needs to make a definitive statement on what action they will take in terms of termination of contracts, allowing him to continue training, seeking compensation from the NRL etc

As it stands, the NRL needs to compensate SGI for De Belin's salary and his salary cap. The Dragons then need to recruit a replacement player to fill the vacant spot in our top 30.

 

[Gardenia]

Cannot be any clearer. Before the start of the season he’s ruled out for the entire season. So therefore we are entitled to full salary cap dispensation. And BJ needs to step up and make a big call. Career over . F me . Not even a trial.
Nrl must be convinced he’s guilty .

 

[RedV Resurgence]

The NRL are going to have lots of issues on their hands if he is found not guilty or the prosecution decides not to continue. I don't think the NRL could have handled this any worse than they have.

 

[Gardenia]

The NRL are going to have lots of issues on their hands if he is found not guilty or the prosecution decides not to continue. I don't think the NRL could have handled this any worse than they have.

Agree. That’s why they must be convinced he’s going to be found not guilty. My gut tells me There is more to this and it’s ugly . I’m not sure in what respect . Either a grosse injustice will occur and is in the motions now or a very uncomfortable truth . Just my intuition . Hoping I’m a wrong crazy person

 

[BLM01]

Cannot be any clearer. Before the start of the season he’s ruled out for the entire season. So therefore we are entitled to full salary cap dispensation. And BJ needs to step up and make a big call. Career over . F me . Not even a trial.
Nrl must be convinced he’s guilty .

Cant get full. he has already received 4 months salary.

 

[BLM01]

You make a good point and I will follow up to see what the timeline was exactly.
Having said that, AFB was rehabilitated and returned to playing with Manly almost immediately.
Should JDB get convicted, there will be no return to football for him.
There is also a massive difference between the severity of the charges laid.
I was referring to the support provided by the club.
AFB proved that he could turn his life around (he was 19 when we dumped him) and at Manly has developed into one of the most damaging front rowers in the comp.
I am sure the club has more insight than us peanuts but clinging on to one player through 2 seasons has caused the club significant disruption and continues to do so.
The club also has an obligations to the rest of the squad and (God forbid) the "peanut gallery" who support the club.

You keep forgetting the main difference. The charges should have nothing to do with it. Dragons dumped AFB after admitting guilt. They would have done the same to JDB had he done the same. As dragons are concerned he is innocent ATM until proven otherwise and they are treating him that way. JDB can also turn his life around and may have already. The issue is the Dragons had no choice with AFB after guilt. At that stage AFB may have chosen to not have turned his life around...but with hindsight...yeah we are all geniuses and he turned his life around only after the event.
IF JDB is proven guilt...well... the end

 

[muzby]

You keep forgetting the main difference. The charges should have nothing to do with it. Dragons dumped AFB after admitting guilt. They would have done the same to JDB had he done the same. As dragons are concerned he is innocent ATM until proven otherwise and they are treating him that way. JDB can also turn his life around and may have already. The issue is the Dragons had no choice with AFB after guilt. At that stage AFB may have chosen to not have turned his life around...but with hindsight...yeah we are all geniuses and he turned his life around only after the event.
IF JDB is proven guilt...well... the end

Nope, the Dragons sacked AFB after his conviction, not after admitting guilt.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

You keep forgetting the main difference. The charges should have nothing to do with it. Dragons dumped AFB after admitting guilt. They would have done the same to JDB had he done the same. As dragons are concerned he is innocent ATM until proven otherwise and they are treating him that way. JDB can also turn his life around and may have already. The issue is the Dragons had no choice with AFB after guilt. At that stage AFB may have chosen to not have turned his life around...but with hindsight...yeah we are all geniuses and he turned his life around only after the event.
IF JDB is proven guilt...well... the end

I honestly cannot see the difference, after conviction, between a player being given a second chance at the club he played at AND being given a second chance at another club.
Bottom line, he still gets to play football for someone.
My point being that we bent over backwards for players like Packer and Dugan why not a promising 19 year old?
I agree that the JDB scenario will run it's course one way or another but in the meantime, we have a football team that needs to be focused on competing every week.

 

[possm]

Cant get full. he has already received 4 months salary.

Yes, why is it so? The NRL stand him down against the wishes of SGI and then SGI have to sacrifice 4 monts of his salary cap and probably more. This is not a fair system and BJ or someone else at SGI should aggressively complain to the NRL about it.

 

[possm]

Nope, the Dragons sacked AFB after his conviction, not after admitting guilt.

And Manly recruited him on the promise he has turned the page. I don't agree the SGI decision was the right one. Why not obtain the apology and the promise to turn the page?

 

[rasaint]

I am a dragons supporter and it’s our club and supporters being punished by having a significant chunk of the salary cap ( I think $550 to $ 600k ) tied up because of the JDB situation.

I am not for or against JDB. He did or didn’t do an alleged terrible crime. The court system will determine that and I make no further comment in that regard. Broadly innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt has been a long established principle.

We don’t really get any cap relief as we still pay JDB and no quality replacement can be gained due to the uncertainties of court dates, method of paying players etc that have transpired. Even still we have to find extra $ to buy any further replacement player.

 

[BLM01]

Nope, the Dragons sacked AFB after his conviction, not after admitting guilt.

After. Yes Muzby key word I am looking for. They did not sack him whilst he was still an innocent man as JDB still potentially is.

 

[BLM01]

Yes, why is it so? The NRL stand him down against the wishes of SGI and then SGI have to sacrifice 4 monts of his salary cap and probably more. This is not a fair system and BJ or someone else at SGI should aggressively complain to the NRL about it.

We could of applied Nov 1. We rolled the dice not the NRL

 

[BLM01]

And Manly recruited him on the promise he has turned the page. I don't agree the SGI decision was the right one. Why not obtain the apology and the promise to turn the page?

Promises Promises. It was the right decision by the Dragons at the time. The media pressure otherwise would of been too great. That is unfortunately the way it is. Look at recent history across NRL crimes against women guilty verdicts. It was not a DUI charge accoording to Grennburg which was not signifcant enough as per Inglis.or Tyrome May at Penrith

 

[BLM01]

I honestly cannot see the difference, after conviction, between a player being given a second chance at the club he played at AND being given a second chance at another club.
Bottom line, he still gets to play football for someone.
My point being that we bent over backwards for players like Packer and Dugan why not a promising 19 year old?
I agree that the JDB scenario will run it's course one way or another but in the meantime, we have a football team that needs to be focused on competing every week.

Really... JDB innocent until convicted and currently cannot play football for anyone
Packer did his time in jail. Dugan was convicted of?
I agree re disruption but thats life.

 

[possm]

Promises Promises. It was the right decision by the Dragons at the time. The media pressure otherwise would of been too great. That is unfortunately the way it is. Look at recent history across NRL crimes against women guilty verdicts. It was not a DUI charge accoording to Grennburg which was not signifcant enough as per Inglis.or Tyrome May at Penrith

The NRL introduced a retrospective policy that directly effected JDB and SGI. The courts have ruled they were within their right to do so however, the question remains on who should bare the responsibility to fund this decision. In my opinion, the court should have made this clear when arriving at its decision.

So, if the NRL don't come to the party and fully compensate SGI, then our club should take them to court seeking a ruling.