Jacob Host

[hermidale1]

Game awareness. Yeah heard of that.
The coach gives instructions to his players to be aware of these situations, which they would have learned over the years of playing varying levels of the game.
You are carrying on as though this single moment has cost the Dragons their season. When in actual fact several moments during the season, from some of the teams “big stars” where they have had poor decision making and lacked game awareness has cost the team.
Hunt, Simms, Lafai, Graham, McInnes, Frizell, the list goes on. Each one has had a hand in missed opportunities or points scored against us by bad decisions.
Even the young blokes make errors of judgement. But that is Rugby League.
How do you know we would of got a penalty if he didn’t protect Dufty? Hughes was offside, yet it was missed. Along with a lot of other things in the game. Dufty might have dropped the ball and it could of been scooped up by the Storm to score or a scrum may have ensued. Nobody knows.
Lafai escorted a player off the ball in the first few minutes and Pearson dropped the ball. Scrum is the result.The players are told to do it.

 

[Wittenberg]

Seriously, people in here have no clue of the game and how it pans out.
Every coach in the NRL, and yes that includes Bellamy, Bennett, even Mary, has players running an escort to protect the catchers. So if a player doesn’t, then the coaches would blow up at them during the week at the video review. If they get penalised, then the supporters blow up at the referee. But hey, let’s just blame the player because the Storm, who we all know get favourable calls 90% of the time, get a penalty in a game at the end. In fact, let’s call for the player to be axed because we all need to have a big boo hoo about it.
It’s a flavour of the month penalty. Referees decide when they want to call it.
If the kid just stood back and watched Dufty get belted by Hughes, then what would you experts say then???
The club isn’t low on the ladder because of one game. Nor is it because of one penalty.

Can we stop calling Host a kid. He has had a reasonable amount of experience after all. There were plenty on the field with less experience than him. The bottom line was he gave a penalty away with four minutes to go in easy kicking range and his escorting, while not that bad, was clumsy and the penalty was predictable. Yes he should have let Dufty get belted. Dufty actually might have caught the ball. Yes coaches want their players to protect their catchers, but it was obvious what was going to happen. In the heat of the battle it wasn't obvious to Jacob. It happens.

 

[Wittenberg]

Host is a solid first grader, no more, no less. His last couple of games have been less than impressive in places but he was trying to help cover the absence of so many front line players on Thursday. Like Field, at times he tried too hard, but I don't blame him for that. If Vaughan, Frizz, Sims and Graham were next to him in that game his form might not be so much under the microscope.

 

[Old Timer]

Seriously, people in here have no clue of the game and how it pans out.
Every coach in the NRL, and yes that includes Bellamy, Bennett, even Mary, has players running an escort to protect the catchers. So if a player doesn’t, then the coaches would blow up at them during the week at the video review. If they get penalised, then the supporters blow up at the referee. But hey, let’s just blame the player because the Storm, who we all know get favourable calls 90% of the time, get a penalty in a game at the end. In fact, let’s call for the player to be axed because we all need to have a big boo hoo about it.
It’s a flavour of the month penalty. Referees decide when they want to call it.
If the kid just stood back and watched Dufty get belted by Hughes, then what would you experts say then???
The club isn’t low on the ladder because of one game. Nor is it because of one penalty.

Excellent summation from a non knee jerk poster.

 

[Eastview]

If the front line had any sort of confidence in Dufty being able to catch an uncontested bomb then this wouldn't be an issue ffs

 

[BLM01]

Game awareness. Yeah heard of that.
The coach gives instructions to his players to be aware of these situations, which they would have learned over the years of playing varying levels of the game.
You are carrying on as though this single moment has cost the Dragons their season. When in actual fact several moments during the season, from some of the teams “big stars” where they have had poor decision making and lacked game awareness has cost the team.
Hunt, Simms, Lafai, Graham, McInnes, Frizell, the list goes on. Each one has had a hand in missed opportunities or points scored against us by bad decisions.
Even the young blokes make errors of judgement. But that is Rugby League.
How do you know we would of got a penalty if he didn’t protect Dufty? Hughes was offside, yet it was missed. Along with a lot of other things in the game. Dufty might have dropped the ball and it could of been scooped up by the Storm to score or a scrum may have ensued. Nobody knows.
Lafai escorted a player off the ball in the first few minutes and Pearson dropped the ball. Scrum is the result.The players are told to do it.

Who is carrying on that this moment cost us the season?. No i just responded to your carry on quote
"Seriously, people in here have no clue of the game and how it pans out." which is far from correct
and trying to explain to all of us about escort running and now....how more than 1 decision cost us a season.
I am sure most if not all on here understand all of the above.
In fact I agreed with you..just that he should of escorted smarter IMO like opther teams running a direct line back at Dufty was my point because as you say anything could of happened..penalty, dropped ball..or surprise, surprise he caught it, especially we were already pinned for a similar offence running someone of the ball by changing their line in the 1st half
But we are not here to take lessons of anyone who wants to sit in their ivory tower and preach that they are the only words of reason.

 

[muzby]

If the front line had any sort of confidence in Dufty being able to catch an uncontested bomb then this wouldn't be an issue ffs

Exactly!

That’s precisely why an escorting penalty was given against us in the first half when Pearson went up to take a bomb..

f**king Dufty.. making a winger take a bomb that was kicked to the wing..

 

[Number of the Beath]

In Host's defense the contact between him and the Melbourne scum was minimal and milked for all it was worth. Players are instructed to protect their team-mate receiving the kick and plenty more serious issues or instances of the same play have gone unpunished this season. I think it's an example of Ben Cummins eagerness to put his whistle in his mouth and help Melbourne across the line. Like in the first half where they were piggy-backed upfield by a succession of penalties until they got level.

IMHO, Host is a pretty handy player who would be doing a lot better if he had a coach who could the best out of him. He also reminds me a lot of Matt Prior who, I recall, used to get the sh## bagged out of him by a lot of "supporters" but I always thought was a top player who really shone under Bennett (who had not yet completely lost the plot ).

 

[Eastview]

Exactly!

That’s precisely why an escorting penalty was given against us in the first half when Pearson went up to take a bomb..

f**king Dufty.. making a winger take a bomb that was kicked to the wing..

Thanks for the input Dufty Snr

 

[muzby]

Thanks for the input Dufty Snr

You’re welcome..

But trying to work out the logic as to why the penalty in the second half is the fault of the catcher, but the one in the first half wasn’t..

It’s baffling..

 

[SBD82]

You’re welcome..

But trying to work out the logic as to why the penalty in the second half is the fault of the catcher, but the one in the first half wasn’t..

It’s baffling..

Because when players run interference for Dufty it’s because he’s shit and they don’t trust him to catch the ball. But when they run interference for Turbo, teddy, Ponga, Moylan, Dugan, Hughes, Vunivalu, RTS, Drinkwater, maumalo, Bmoz, Tupou, CNK, etc it’s because of good coaching.

Don’t you know anything Muzby?

 

[SBD82]

But we are not here to take lessons of anyone who wants to sit in their ivory tower and preach that they are the only words of reason.

Damn straight.

Ain’t nobody got time to be listening to people preach in here. I’m far too busy preaching at people to be preaced to by people.

 

[BLM01]

Damn straight.

Ain’t nobody got time to be listening to people preach in here. I’m far too busy preaching at people to be preaced to by people.

Thanks son of a Preacher Man

 

[SBD82]

Thanks son of a Preacher Man

With the rest of the lyrics of that song in mind, this comment feels icky.

 

[Old Timer]

People carrying on about this being Host’s fault are clueless.
If it had not of happened the ref would have pinged us for something else.
Persecuting a player for the inevitability of the ref gifting the St GI opposition a chance to win the game is not facing the reality of the situation.
The ref was always going to find something no matter how minor.
We are the team that cops the bushy end of the pineapple and always will whilst we have the mind numbing knob jockeys running the joint.

 

[Dragonslayer]

I've got a lot of time for Hosty, but I think he's trying too hard and not playing his natural game.

He's playing for his 1st grade future, that's obvious. With SOO players coming back, injured forwards returning and now the signing of Kaufusi and don't forget young Ford from the DS, he has to shine at every opportunity he gets. It's just not us either, but most, if not all teams have edge forwards already locked in long term.
I fear young Host will head down the path of Will Matthews, which would be a real shame.

 

[giboz71]

Host is an out and out edge back rower who can play long minutes. Probably not the making the most of his skill set playing off the bench. He's not really an impact player. Luciano is probably better off being your 3rd forward on the bench as he provides a point of difference and is effective in short bursts.

WIth JDB not available, Host needs to start at right edge and play most of the game with Friz, moving to lock. Then you can have K Sims and Lawrie as your bench props, Luc as your 3rd forward and Robson the utility.

It really should be as simple as that but our genius coaches can't see it.

 

[Old Timer]

Host is an out and out edge back rower who can play long minutes. Probably not the making the most of his skill set playing off the bench. He's not really an impact player. Luciano is probably better off being your 3rd forward on the bench as he provides a point of difference and is effective in short bursts.

WIth JDB not available, Host needs to start at right edge and play most of the game with Friz, moving to lock. Then you can have K Sims and Lawrie as your bench props, Luc as your 3rd forward and Robson the utility.

It really should be as simple as that but our genius coaches can't see it.

Your summation re Host & Frizz is 100% correct but somehow coach thinks Lawrie is the answer at 13 which is always destined to failure.
Our halves have problems getting the best out of our edge players regardless of who plays there as our game plan doesn't include wide running forwards.
Our game plan is all about ploughing back into and up the middle of the paddock.
When we do use them correctly we look a much better side.
Funny how people are trying to now make Host a scapegoat bagging him for the kick whilst in attack (conveniently forgetting he made a try with such a play a few weeks ago) and then the 2 penalties which were farcical and if not given for that would have been given for some other minor discretion.
We always seem to want to find someone to blame for a loss and start quoting 1 isolated event when in fact leading up to that event there would have been a multitude of other things that could have made the result different.

 

[giboz71]

Your summation re Host & Frizz is 100% correct but somehow coach thinks Lawrie is the answer at 13 which is always destined to failure.
.

I think the reason for this is his insistence on Lats being on the bench as the reserve prop (to partner K Sims). Lawrie really isn't a 13, he should be focusing on being a prop at this stage of his development (reaks of Merrin to lock).

Now I don't mind Lats, but he should be strictly a squad player who only comes in during Origin and injury. When everyone is on deck, he needs to be in CC.

But for some reason, even at full strength, he has a mortgage on a bench spot which proceeds to screw our entire bench make up.

 

[BLM01]

Your summation re Host & Frizz is 100% correct but somehow coach thinks Lawrie is the answer at 13 which is always destined to failure.
Our halves have problems getting the best out of our edge players regardless of who plays there as our game plan doesn't include wide running forwards.
Our game plan is all about ploughing back into and up the middle of the paddock.
When we do use them correctly we look a much better side.
Funny how people are trying to now make Host a scapegoat bagging him for the kick whilst in attack (conveniently forgetting he made a try with such a play a few weeks ago) and then the 2 penalties which were farcical and if not given for that would have been given for some other minor discretion.
We always seem to want to find someone to blame for a loss and start quoting 1 isolated event when in fact leading up to that event there would have been a multitude of other things that could have made the result different.

What you are forgetting OT in the context of that game against melb..up 6 - 0, good attacking raid on a broken line to potentially go up to 10-12 Nil after 15 mins against Melb and had them panicking......wrong option at wrong time and reeked of the easy taking a short cut option. We paid for it big time and lost all momentum after then giving penalties away in defence. No ot was not an isolated moment that cost us game as there were many others but it was a big momentum shifter
Against the Dogs...did not matter. They all could have chipped and chased for themselves if they wanted.

The 2 penalties if you are talking about for running a player off the ball..we deserved them as we seem to do it worse than other teams by making it look so slow and obvious. Time your run in a straight line back to the catcher you cant go wrong.

What you say about halves finding our edge forwards at the right spot or channel as the term they now use..100% correct