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James Tamou - allegiance

Blair

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You're allowed dual citizenship between Aus and NZ at any age. At 30 I became an Oz citizen (in 2000 - got carried away with the Olympics!) I don't think the laws have changed and I wouldn't have done it if it meant giving away my native NZ citizenship.

Penrose Warrior said:
...Hunt moved to Australia when he was 11, played all his rep stuff there etc so it's unsurprising he chose the Kangaroos. Same with Mason.
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In addition, Mason's dad was an Aussie from the Hunter region I believe. Agreed, there was no way he was playing for NZ unless he was no chance with NSW/AUS.

Penrose Warrior said:
Tamou is the lowest of the low, though. He made our train-on squad, professed how much he loved NZ and couldn't wait to play for us..then pissed off the next year. For money and fame, not love. At least guys like Mason, Hunt etc never pretended they were Kiwis.
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Tamou seemed pretty emotional close to the final whistle on Wednesday night, like he really cared!

It's been going on forever...maybe Australia and New Zealand should consider being less intimate with each other? (work visas, machine guns on the border, etc), (just in case somebody doesn't know):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dally_Messenger
 
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TheDMC

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hitman82 said:
I think it should be done when a player signs their first (semi-)professional contract, whether it be U20s, NSW Cup, NRL - whatever.
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The issue that is most damaging is the incentives, financial and otherwise, that see State of Origin become the driver for international representation decisions. That is a disaster for the game, and for smaller nations incl. NZ.

The solution is quite simple though:
  1. Kiwi eligible players should be able to play State of Origin if they played junior/development footy in either state (for whatever period determined). That they hold a NZ passport, grew up in NZ, or have a NZ parent is irrelevant.
  2. Kiwi eligible players who play SoO should still be able to play for Kiwis.
  3. Anderson's tier system should apply for international footy.
I've always followed rugby league on the field, but until recently never had any inkling or interest in how the game was run/administered. The more I learn about this, the more shocked I am at the ineptness, lack of intelligence and morality. Its a real eye opener, the biggest threat to RL is not ARL, union or soccer, its RL.

As for Tamou - he is just seems to be a big dumb kid.
 
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TheDMC said:
The issue that is most damaging is the incentives, financial and otherwise, that see State of Origin become the driver for international representation decisions. That is a disaster for the game, and for smaller nations incl. NZ.

The solution is quite simple though:
  1. Kiwi eligible players should be able to play State of Origin if they played junior/development footy in either state (for whatever period determined). That they hold a NZ passport, grew up in NZ, or have a NZ parent is irrelevant.
  2. Kiwi eligible players who play SoO should still be able to play for Kiwis.
  3. Anderson's tier system should apply for international footy.
I've always followed rugby league on the field, but until recently never had any inkling or interest in how the game was run/administered. The more I learn about this, the more shocked I am at the ineptness, lack of intelligence and morality. Its a real eye opener, the biggest threat to RL is not ARL, union or soccer, its RL.

As for Tamou - he is just seems to be a big dumb kid.
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I agree. It all needs to change. I'm pleased with what's happened with NZRL over the last few years. I can only hope that things on the other side of the Tassie will improve with the commission and ARL. The IRLF needs strengthening too, and to clear up national eligibility issues
 
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This begs an interesting question (hypothetically). scenario: Sleimankel goes to Souths, gets selected for SOO and the kiwis...what next?
 
Blair

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Warmess said:
I'll just leave this here.

Seriously what a deluded merkin.
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I hear Pritch has been whispering plenty of sweet nothings into Kasiano's ear at training: "You gotta play for your country of birth, man!, or we'll smash ya!"

I recall someone describing Tamou here as a 'big, dumb kid'. That's pretty much right on it. At 23 I'm glad I wasn't interviewed for anything and put on public record.

Tamou wasn't the first and he won't be the last, until we have clarity with eligibility. I live in NSW and I'm glad Tamou is playing for my state. He didn't play for the Kiwis so he made a legitimate decision. This week, there's no way he'd be thinking of the black and white jumper.

I'm pumped for next week too, never feel this way with international football and aren't alone there.
 
ozenzud

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Blair said:
I'm pumped for next week too, never feel this way with international football and aren't alone there.
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Therefore you are a victim of hype and hyperbole. If it were true, that Queensland and NSW teams were better than the Australian and Kiwi teams, then SOO would truely would be the 'pinnacle' of Rugby League. That, is simply not true.

Queensland is not the Australian Team and I firmly believe that the Kiwis would beat them regularly if they played. Obviously the Australian team is a mixture of NSW and Queensland players and is by definition, better.

SOO was invented to stop interstate RL dying as NSW got all the players, as Sydney comp sucked the best players out of the Brisbane comp and put them in a NSW jumper.

SOO took a long time to get off the ground. I've been to a game in Sydney with only 23,000, (it was pissing down I know) but the interest has grown from the early 80's. It was interest at the start, but not overwhelming hype.

If the NRL, the media and tradition got behind the international game to the same way as it does SOO, the game would be so much better off.

I'm not even watching Wednesday night, as I can't watch our game destroy itself again by such stupid, self serving rubbish from our games leaders and their lack of vision for its development.
 
Blair

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ozenzud said:
...I'm not even watching Wednesday night...
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I will acknowledge some valid points in the above post but I don't believe you won't be watching on Wednesday night! What else is there to do on a (probably) cold and wet (depends where you're now living) winter's night?

In Katoomba, NSW, if you didn't watch Origin you wouldn't be alive.
 
Drzoidberg

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Blair said:
I'm pumped for next week too, never feel this way with international football and aren't alone there.
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For way too many decades the kiwis were getting absolutely annihilated and by Aussie teams who were barely turning up to play. So I can understand not getting pumped for a test, sort of how I feel watching the ABs.

BUT finally we are starting to show something and what do Mal and Ricky want to do? they want to destroy international league by pressuring and poaching promising young talent to win an ORIGIN series.

I don't find it fair that the dominate nation in league feel the need to weaken other nations for a domestic series.

Shortsighted much?
 
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A simple rule change to allow players to play SOO then represent their home county as well, fixes this in one hit.

Until then, this is why I have big respect for young Foran, who's passion for a Kiwi jumper was more important to him than origin or its money.
 
TheDMC

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Micistm said:
A simple rule change to allow players to play SOO then represent their home county as well, fixes this in one hit.

Until then, this is why I have big respect for young Foran, who's passion for a Kiwi jumper was more important to him than origin or its money.
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hear hear, here here, hare hare, hair hair.
 
JoeD

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"I was like, 'Geez, this has caused such a big uproar. It would've been better to have not done it',"

Obviously 100% committed to the cause . . .
 
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