Jarryd Hayne - Make him an Eel for Life

[ash411]

Yes, it would be sad in that he went from who he was ten years ago to who he is today. Use your imagination for once please.

I'm sorry but no, it's not sad at all. (assuming he is guilty) There is nothing sad about it, apart from it being sad for his victims.

You're making it sound like he's caught up in some unfortunate circumstances, which couldn't be further from the truth.

I watched the Cosby show religiously as a kid, that doesn't make Bill Cosby any less of a monster, nor does it make me feel bad that he's in Jail rotting where he deserves.

Now, I do kind of understand what you are trying to say, the situation, the fall from grace is sad to you, but I just can't agree, there is nothing about this that makes me have any kind of sympathy for him or anything to do with him.

 

[Noise]

I'm sorry but no, it's not sad at all. (assuming he is guilty) There is nothing sad about it, apart from it being sad for his victims.

You're making it sound like he's caught up in some unfortunate circumstances, which couldn't be further from the truth.

I watched the Cosby show religiously as a kid, that doesn't make Bill Cosby any less of a monster, nor does it make me feel bad that he's in Jail rotting where he deserves.

Now, I do kind of understand what you are trying to say, the situation, the fall from grace is sad to you, but I just can't agree, there is nothing about this that makes me have any kind of sympathy for him or anything to do with him.

Why do you keep assuming he is guilty?

 

[ash411]

Why do you keep assuming he is guilty?

I have said that if he is innocent, and the whole thing turned out to be false that I agree that I would also feel bad for him to be dragged through the mud.

I make a point of saying assuming he is guilty because that is the situation I am specifically talking about. Obviously if he is innocent none of applies, does it?

 

[Gary Gutful]

well just think of the numerous times they've decided to have an investigation into match fixing or whatever and they usually leak the story to the media right before Origin or a finals series

The police or the NRL?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Why do you bother? ... he is clearly a total f**kwit looking for a bite

I’m just trying to understand if there is any substance behind his opinions.

 

[Gary Gutful]

to catch criminals instead of getting their names in the news just so it looks like the useless pricks are actually doing something when they're really just sitting around pulling their dicks

So are you suggesting that they shouldn’t charge anyone who is high profile?

 

[El Diablo]

So are you suggesting that they shouldn’t charge anyone who is high profile?

not if they haven't committed a crime and they know it but decide to anyway so they fool idiots into thinking they actually do work

 

[Gary Gutful]

not if they haven't committed a crime and they know it but decide to anyway so they fool idiots into thinking they actually do work

So you think in those handful of occasions that police charged an NRL player and they weren’t found guilty through the judicial system, the police knew they weren’t guilty beforehand?

Is that your position?

How have you formed that view?

 

[El Diablo]

absolutely

two of the three players they charged didn't even go to court as the charges were dropped because their case was so weak

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/m...88bca9f0a?sv=a5f34c6ff4d73e6d8edc1e57d4ab78fd

https://www.news.com.au/national/nr...d/news-story/9ac591d8834af1d61cdce7873d0be484

 

[Gary Gutful]

Both of those cases you’ve quoted went to court.

 

[Gronk]

Our jails must be full of innocent merkins.

 

[T-Boon]

Our jails must be full of innocent merkins.

Well, except for "Red" Ellis.

 

[IFR33K]

So you think in those handful of occasions that police charged an NRL player and they weren’t found guilty through the judicial system, the police knew they weren’t guilty beforehand?

Is that your position?

How have you formed that view?

I’ve heard of several cases been thrown out or charges dropped because of a weak case. I’m sure you have too.

 

[El Diablo]

Both of those cases you’ve quoted went to court.

they went before a magistrate who determined the pigs did not have enough evidence to go to court before a judge and jury

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I’ve heard of several cases been thrown out or charges dropped because of a weak case. I’m sure you have too.

So what? That's not evidence that the cops know that the accused is not guilty at the time of laying the charge.

In some sexual assault cases the problem is that alleged victim is so f**ked up that they decide they aren't willing to put themselves through a court trial.

The cops do not get everything right, and there have been and still are some truly dodgy bastards among them, but the overwhelming majority do a pretty good job in an environment where whatever they do one side is going to be pretty pissed off.

 

[El Diablo]

I’ve heard of several cases been thrown out or charges dropped because of a weak case. I’m sure you have too.

but they'd got their headline and who knows what else

News Corp would have sold more papers and generated more clicks which they'd be most grateful for

 

[Gary Gutful]

I’ve heard of several cases been thrown out or charges dropped because of a weak case. I’m sure you have too.

That’s not the issue imo.

This is about who’s job is it to preside over issues of guilt. I don’t want the police doing that when it is the job of a court.

I would rather have people charged and then acquitted compared to the alternative - guilty merkins don’t get charged at all.

Which by the f**ken way probably happens a shitload and never makes the news.

 

[Gary Gutful]

So what? That's not evidence that the cops know that the accused is not guilty at the time of laying the charge.

In some sexual assault cases the problem is that alleged victim is so f**ked up that they decide they aren't willing to put themselves through a court trial.

The cops do not get everything right, and there have been and still are some truly dodgy bastards among them, but the overwhelming majority do a pretty good job in an environment where whatever they do one side is going to be pretty pissed off.

If El D is as talented at policing as he was at forum moderating then he’d be about as useful as Chief Wiggum.

 

[El Diablo]

That’s not the issue imo.

This is about who’s job is it to preside over issues of guilt. I don’t want the police doing that when it is the job of a court.

I would rather have people charged and then acquitted compared to the alternative - guilty merkins don’t get charged at all.

Which by the f**ken way probably happens a shitload and never makes the news.

well charge everyone and not just people who will generate headlines

i'm sure taxpayers would be tickled pink about the amount of money that would waste

 

[Gronk]

That’s not the issue imo.

This is about who’s job is it to preside over issues of guilt. I don’t want the police doing that when it is the job of a court.

I would rather have people charged and then acquitted compared to the alternative - guilty merkins don’t get charged at all.

Which by the f**ken way probably happens a shitload and never makes the news.

What also needs to be taken into consideration is that much of the cases are brought before local court and there are Magistrates that often release fine or lettuce slap offenders. Much to the frustration of the police.