Jarryd Hayne - Make him an Eel for Life

[El Diablo]

Hindsight is a beautiful thing, isn't it? I wish all decisions BA made were done with complete knowledge of the future, but THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

Moses, Watmough and Scott (I'm assuming Beau, right?) were all solid buys at the time they were done.

You can't possibly be saying that Beau Scott was a dud buy can you? Even given his age he put in exactly as was expected and led the team. The fact that his body gave out early doesn't undo the years he put in great performances for the club.

Watmough wasn't bought because he was lighting up the field, he was brought in for his experience and leadership, and possibly to help BA get Foran and Gutho in from Manly.

And Moses (who I actually believe cops a bit of unfair criticism) was Wests player of the year the year before we scooped him up. He still has potential we've yet to tap into. I actually think he could be very good for us, but that's my opinion of course...

keep on huggin'

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

People like to put shit on Jennings but despite that, he's chosen to stick around and help us through a tough time.

 

[hindy111]

Hindsight is a beautiful thing, isn't it? I wish all decisions BA made were done with complete knowledge of the future, but THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

Moses, Watmough and Scott (I'm assuming Beau, right?) were all solid buys at the time they were done.

You can't possibly be saying that Beau Scott was a dud buy can you? Even given his age he put in exactly as was expected and led the team. The fact that his body gave out early doesn't undo the years he put in great performances for the club.

Watmough wasn't bought because he was lighting up the field, he was brought in for his experience and leadership, and possibly to help BA get Foran and Gutho in from Manly.

And Moses (who I actually believe cops a bit of unfair criticism) was Wests player of the year the year before we scooped him up. He still has potential we've yet to tap into. I actually think he could be very good for us, but that's my opinion
Scott was always a shit short term option.
MJ for 4yrs? Fmd
Watmough 4 yrs at age 31?

Moses was worth risk.But looks a dud.

Frank , Auvau, Matagi,Vave,Evans, Foran,Hoffman,Hasson,Rory obrien,Schulte,C.Nelson,M.Woods, Cornish, B.Crooks,B.Champion,Fogarty,Davis

Re signing J Falou,De gois...

Guys like Gower have been ok.G.Jenning and W.Smith serviceable though W.Smith is a stretch.

So of 25 odd signings 2 turned out pretty good and 2 or 3 ok.
The rest have been rubbish. Sure some where squad fillers with a bit of promise but we havent landed anything great as far as finding young guys with promise like a Kikau etc....

Throw enough darts at a board with eyes shut and you will eventually hit bullseye.

 

[hindy111]

Scott was always a shit short term option.
MJ for 4yrs? Fmd
Watmough 4 yrs at age 31?

Moses was worth risk.But looks a dud.

Frank , Auvau, Matagi,Vave,Evans, Foran,Hoffman,Hasson,Rory obrien,Schulte,C.Nelson,M.Woods, Cornish, B.Crooks,B.Champion,Fogarty,Davis

Re signing J Falou,De gois...

Guys like Gower have been ok.G.Jenning and W.Smith serviceable though W.Smith is a stretch.

So of 25 odd signings 2 turned out pretty good and 2 or 3 ok.
The rest have been rubbish. Sure some where squad fillers with a bit of promise but we havent landed anything great as far as finding young guys with promise like a Kikau etc....

Throw enough darts at a board with eyes shut and you will eventually hit bullseye.

 

[hindy111]

I still remember giys barring up over Fogarty and B.Crooks.
Did they even cut it for Wenty?

 

[Twizzle]

People like to put shit on Jennings but despite that, he's chosen to stick around and help us through a tough time.

I would too if I got paid $15K a week

 

[84 Baby]

Scott was always a shit short term option.
MJ for 4yrs? Fmd
Watmough 4 yrs at age 31?

Serious or taking the piss? So Scott was a shit short term option but your issue with Mennings & Watmough was they were on too long contracts? Admittedly one doesn't preclude the other but their opposing viewpoints.
Anyway Scott was an ideal short term option. Still good enough to warrant selection, experienced so that you knew what level he would consistently produce at, reportedly and evidently a good team player if not leader, clearly wasn't on so much dollar to stop others (Brown) taking his minutes and was unlikely to produce enough to force another contract over a younger player.

Moses was worth risk.But looks a dud.

So of 25 odd signings 2 turned out pretty good and 2 or 3 ok.
The rest have been rubbish. Sure some where squad fillers with a bit of promise but we havent landed anything great as far as finding young guys with promise like a Kikau etc....

Throw enough darts at a board with eyes shut and you will eventually hit bullseye.

And after bringing up Watmough and Foran, you're ok with signing Moses. Aren't you implying that Watmough and Foran being duds stopped us from signing young guys with promise like a Kikau? Or even a f**king Moses FFS?

Frank , Auvau, Matagi,Vave,Evans, Foran,Hoffman,Hasson,Rory obrien,Schulte,C.Nelson,M.Woods, Cornish, B.Crooks,B.Champion,Fogarty,Davis

Re signing J Falou,De gois...

Guys like Gower have been ok.G.Jenning and W.Smith serviceable though W.Smith is a stretch.

With the exception of Foran (replaced by Moses, & for that matter Watmough was replaced by Scott) none of these players would have stopped us from signing 'superstars' - we signed Hayne FFS!

If you have an issue with the higher salaried guys playing like shitheads, all well and good, I do too, but to include probably 8 guys who probably weren't even on 1st grade contracts is just stupid

 

[hindy111]

We have a habbit of paying top dollars for guys who best footy is behind them.

We took some risks on 20 guys and didnt find much bar a few has beens.

Bar Brown and Guth recruitment has been diabolical. Disastrous.
This is reality.We cant keep using excuse well unlucky or squad player. You dont bring guys down from Qld like Nelson or Fogarty unless see potential as first graders. Nor do you bring a guy from the UK like Crooks.
BA saw potential in so many guys. Flops.
I questioned Watmough,Scott,MJ signing as knew bite on ass at some point.
I never wanted door open for Hayne again.

I liked Moses signing.

Our best bet now is to regroup. Build around juniors. I think BA is unselfish in what his plans are for 2020. Potential to sacrifice his own job by looking further forward.

 

[El Diablo]

People like to put shit on Jennings but despite that, he's chosen to stick around and help us through a tough time.

he's on big coin so he'd be stupid to leave and give that up

 

[Gronk]

We have a habbit of paying top dollars for guys who best footy is behind them.

We took some risks on 20 guys and didnt find much bar a few has beens.

Bar Brown and Guth recruitment has been diabolical. Disastrous.
This is reality.We cant keep using excuse well unlucky or squad player. You dont bring guys down from Qld like Nelson or Fogarty unless see potential as first graders. Nor do you bring a guy from the UK like Crooks.
BA saw potential in so many guys. Flops.
I questioned Watmough,Scott,MJ signing as knew bite on ass at some point.
I never wanted door open for Hayne again.

I liked Moses signing.

Our best bet now is to regroup. Build around juniors. I think BA is unselfish in what his plans are for 2020. Potential to sacrifice his own job by looking further forward.

Every post you make is a thought bubble that contradicts your last post or the one before that. I'm finding it hard to keep up TBH.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I am talking these guys should of been dropped 100%

Moses,MJ, Taka(out of side)

And replaced by who (out of the eligible players)? Taka I'm sure you could find some options at Wenty...but I'm not sure they're any better.

Moses and MJ? Who would you have picked and when?

 

[84 Baby]

We have a habbit of paying top dollars for guys who best footy is behind them.

We took some risks on 20 guys and didnt find much bar a few has beens.

Bar Brown and Guth recruitment has been diabolical. Disastrous.
This is reality.We cant keep using excuse well unlucky or squad player. You dont bring guys down from Qld like Nelson or Fogarty unless see potential as first graders. Nor do you bring a guy from the UK like Crooks.
BA saw potential in so many guys. Flops.
I questioned Watmough,Scott,MJ signing as knew bite on ass at some point.
I never wanted door open for Hayne again.

I liked Moses signing.

Our best bet now is to regroup. Build around juniors. I think BA is unselfish in what his plans are for 2020. Potential to sacrifice his own job by looking further forward.

We didn't pay top dollar for the 8 guys who didn't have a 1st grade contract. What exactly is the risk there? Fogarty, Nelson & Crooks were the ones taking all the risk.
And on Crooks, I barely remembered him so was wondering why you'd bring him up...

Falou-Davis-Crooks maybe our lng term centres and champion or taka arent exactly that old either

Crooks impresses me how he reads play.I think do a decent job.

We dont need backs we have English gun Crooks

And just because I am clearly stalking you, you did want Watmough & Scott on shorter contracts

It would of been great to have watmough for 3 yrs and scott for 2 meaning they both finished up at the end of 2017.We signed them a season to long and thats for sure.
But if in 2017 both are on the bench and playing 35-40 mins a game i dont think its a bad thing. Keep them fresh and dont burn them out is a key to keeping them at NRL level.

A whole year less

 

[ash411]

We have a habbit of paying top dollars for guys who best footy is behind them.

We took some risks on 20 guys and didnt find much bar a few has beens.

Bar Brown and Guth recruitment has been diabolical. Disastrous.
This is reality.We cant keep using excuse well unlucky or squad player. You dont bring guys down from Qld like Nelson or Fogarty unless see potential as first graders. Nor do you bring a guy from the UK like Crooks.
BA saw potential in so many guys. Flops.
I questioned Watmough,Scott,MJ signing as knew bite on ass at some point.
I never wanted door open for Hayne again.

I liked Moses signing.

Our best bet now is to regroup. Build around juniors. I think BA is unselfish in what his plans are for 2020. Potential to sacrifice his own job by looking further forward.

But you can't judge his recruitment based off knowledge he didn't have at the time. It's not fair to say "he shouldn't have picked that guy, even if he won the dally M that year, he's playing shit now, so he was a bad choice". You can't do that. Unless you're expecting BA to have knowledge of the future, then I just can't even talk to you.

You have to judge his recruitment based on the information he had when he signed them. Not only that, you also can't say a singing is bad just because they didn't score 5 tries a game, you have to look at the reason why they were signed.

Fogarty for instance, was the best player in the whole entire QLD cup the year he was signed to us. I believe his team won the Cup that year as well, BA was looking for long term half options at that point, Fogarty was a very good choice, considering that he'd be relatively cheap and could be developed in reggies while until a FG spot opened up, but from what I read Fog didn't want to wait that long, so he opted to head back to QLD. Fog wasn't ready for the NRL yet, no. But he wasn't supposed to be.

Scott busted ass for this club, and I won't cop him being called a dud, that's just first class bullshit.

I wouldn't close the book on Moses just yet, I get the feeling he's a late bloomer, I think his best years are still to come yet.

It's real easy to sit here 4 and 5 years in the future and judge decision made back then based on what we know now. Do you really think that if BA had the information he now knows on the players he signed then that he still would have signed them?

 

[hindy111]

Every post you make is a thought bubble that contradicts your last post or the one before that. I'm finding it hard to keep up TBH.

Proobably why you just stick to hugging. Dont understand change

 

[Gronk]

Proobably why you just stick to hugging. Dont understand change

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Ok, what change don't I understand?

 

[hindy111]

I understand recruitment. Either BA is clueless or he turns guys into shit players and ruins career?

Panthers pounced on Kikau and Tyrone Peachey for example.
Raiders saw potential in Lailua,Ropana,Tapine,Hodgson

Of course its a gamble, but most of ours have been money flushed. When Ricky was here we snapped up KE,Mau,Peats,Semi
It was 4 guys on unders ready to go for BA. People love to bag RS but he or whoever was in charge did some good spotting.

But RS was hopeless his first 5yrs. Im confident BA is learning. I like this years recruits and his patient approach for 2020. Not dishing the guy, just saying his recruits where gunk

 

[El Diablo]

Proobably why you just stick to hugging. Dont understand change

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i'm not surprised to find out @Gronk is bald

 

[Gronk]

i'm not surprised to find out @Gronk is bald

It's more likely that you own a Nazi T-shirt than it is I'm bald.

 

[El Diablo]

It's more likely that you own a Nazi T-shirt than it is I'm bald.

whatever you say

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

It's more likely that you own a Nazi T-shirt than it is I'm bald.

Baldness is under everybody's hair.