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News Jarryd Hayne sexual assault trials

Corner_Post

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It is not without a possibility that the jury could have arrived at the wrong verdict though and countless court cases around the world demonstrate that fact.

People being convicted for crimes they didn't commit and many years later found to have not committed the crime and not solely because of new advanced methods for testing DNA.

It is a flawed system as how many of the jury had no knowledge of the case - none i would suggest as it was well published so many may have already formed an opinion of his guilt prior to the trials commencement.

Like the 12 angry men movie all but the Henry Fonda character thought the young fellow was guilty for a variety of reasons and many of these were not connected to the actually case in question or the evidence and witness testimony.

Whose is to say the jury didn't come to their verdict based on other factors - their knowledge of the case from TV news/press reports /previous trials / dislike of Haynes/ Dislike of Rugby League players or a range of other reasons.

It's a classic he said she said case - she saying no and hayne saying she never said that which is the crux of the case - consent

She was also under the impression this could be something long term until of course the infamous taxi and the driver beeping the horn which shifted things in her mind. This caused the possibility of sexual activity between them to "evaporate" for her.

I find this strange the text messages between the victim and someone who would later become a defence witness especially as it was deleted.

During the trial, the jury was told Mr Page’s evidence was deleted off the woman’s phone before she handed it to police.


If an appeal is granted will there be a 4th trial ?

I think there are some grey areas in this case as per below - why would you delete 22 messages from your mobile phone before speaking to police

“I never lied to police, I never deleted evidence, I never hid witnesses, do the maths,” Hayne said.

He refused to comment when asked if he thought he had a fair trial.

“Did I lie? Did I lie? That’s factual evidence,” he said.

Hayne was referring to evidence heard before the jury that the victim had deleted 22 messages from her mobile phone before speaking to police.

Deleted messages include some sent to Hayne, a friend and another man on the day of the assault.

This is wrong in so many areas... seriously it pisses me off how wrong this is no matter which side you may have an opinion of.

The main part of why this is wrong and actually why I am so pissed off at this dumb shit (not usually this angry but this stuff really bugs me when people just have no idea about serious issues). This part particularly is dumb:

"It's a classic he said she said case - she saying no and hayne saying she never said that which is the crux of the case - consent... "

This is seriously just f**ked up. You're referring to consent. So where is the consent???????????????????????????????

Too many people are watching too many movies/tv shows and reading media reports which actually are not doing a very good job at reporting what the main legal issues are. Actually is very frustrating because it is important that the greater public understand these cases to ensure that these crimes are prevented from happening in the future or at the very least reduced.
 

fourplay

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So seriously after reading your posts, what the f**k are you trying to say? so you believe he is not guilty or guilty and if so why?

Again after reading your posts, what are you trying to say?

After all the posts I've made in this thread, you really still can't work out if I believe he is guilty or not guilty? 😂😂 If you can't read, maybe go back and read my posts again after you graduate primary school, big boy, and perhaps you will understand my position.

As for the rest of your overly emotional, profanity filled dribble, everything you asked has already been answered.
 

fourplay

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It is not without a possibility that the jury could have arrived at the wrong verdict though and countless court cases around the world demonstrate that fact.

People being convicted for crimes they didn't commit and many years later found to have not committed the crime and not solely because of new advanced methods for testing DNA.

It is a flawed system as how many of the jury had no knowledge of the case - none i would suggest as it was well published so many may have already formed an opinion of his guilt prior to the trials commencement.

Like the 12 angry men movie all but the Henry Fonda character thought the young fellow was guilty for a variety of reasons and many of these were not connected to the actually case in question or the evidence and witness testimony.

Whose is to say the jury didn't come to their verdict based on other factors - their knowledge of the case from TV news/press reports /previous trials / dislike of Haynes/ Dislike of Rugby League players or a range of other reasons.

It's a classic he said she said case - she saying no and hayne saying she never said that which is the crux of the case - consent

She was also under the impression this could be something long term until of course the infamous taxi and the driver beeping the horn which shifted things in her mind. This caused the possibility of sexual activity between them to "evaporate" for her.

I find this strange the text messages between the victim and someone who would later become a defence witness especially as it was deleted.

During the trial, the jury was told Mr Page’s evidence was deleted off the woman’s phone before she handed it to police.


If an appeal is granted will there be a 4th trial ?

I think there are some grey areas in this case as per below - why would you delete 22 messages from your mobile phone before speaking to police

“I never lied to police, I never deleted evidence, I never hid witnesses, do the maths,” Hayne said.

He refused to comment when asked if he thought he had a fair trial.

“Did I lie? Did I lie? That’s factual evidence,” he said.

Hayne was referring to evidence heard before the jury that the victim had deleted 22 messages from her mobile phone before speaking to police.

Deleted messages include some sent to Hayne, a friend and another man on the day of the assault.




Well said. Spot on. Now brace yourself for the swarm of crayon eaters coming for you.


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Penrose Warrior

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You shouldn't be stripping legitimate awards of anyone no matter what horrors they commit after the fact. The only time should be is if its discovered a misdeed contributed directly to them winning whatever it was.

If Adolf Hitler won the Austrian National Yodeling Championship in 1921 then it should stand. Being a Merkin down the track doesn't change anything. Modifying history to appease peoples sensitivities is a slippery slope.

The Joey thing is interesting. The drug thing could be argued either way re performance enhancement. History in that case should be left alone imo. Awarding Immortal Status after it all came out is a head scratcher though.
I agree.

As for Joey, as far as history says (and I know this may not have been the case behind closed doors) he was not caught with drugs and sanctioned by the NRL/his club. They knew, but no official penalties were given that I know of. So yes, history has to be left alone, and you can't not award him Immortal status because he was never convicted.
 

Bazal

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Fascists try to re-write history, it is there way.

Hayne was once a great league player, award winning at the time, is now a convicted felon.

Sad but true.

Ban the book.

History has been rewritten by someone for as long as we've had the concept of history.

Twitter likes a catch cry though so now it's fascists or whatever.
 

PARRA_FAN

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I really don't get all this 'strip him of the Dally M, put an asterixis next to it' stuff.

People will do that themselves. In fact, keeping him in there will probably better serve to remind everyone what a piece of shit convicted rapist he is.

And the lame comparison to Jobe Watson, or the Melbourne Storm circa 2007-09, both of those groups were found to have 'cheated' (Watson for testing positive for a banned substance, Melbourne for being massive salary cap cheats). Hayne didn't win the Dally M by being a POS rapist.

Where do we stop...do we take away his Origin series win? His Parra POTYs (if he won any)? Any game he was involved in and won, is that now a loss?

There's no need to change history. He won the Dally M in 2009 and 2014, and is now going to jail for rape. There's your cold, hard, likely irreparable facts (unless he wins an appeal)

I feel like its all media talk, I mean I havent heard anything from the NRL and nor should we

So if this happens, JT would be given another Dally M medal, I'm not sure how he'd feel about it

Then what will the NRL do should another former Dally M medal get charged with a crime?

As for Jobe Watson brownlow medal, whoever tried to make a comparison to Hayne's is complete nonsense. Like you said Watson cheated whilst playing and Hayne did his incident after his Dally M wins.
 

King hit

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I agree.

As for Joey, as far as history says (and I know this may not have been the case behind closed doors) he was not caught with drugs and sanctioned by the NRL/his club. They knew, but no official penalties were given that I know of. So yes, history has to be left alone, and you can't not award him Immortal status because he was never convicted.
Not related to Hayne but I always found it so funny when Johns was being nominated Raper and Langlands were arguing against it saying he wasn’t moral enough. Coming from those guys thats hilarious.
 
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Hmmm you're going down a tricky path if you're going to take Dally Ms off drug takers. There might a few hand-backs.

And it's also an interesting comparison that drug taker is equal to rapist.
Not comparing them, my point is if you’re stripping medals it should be because they’ve been found guilty of something that
A. Occurred before the win the said award
B. Affected their performance on the field

Jarryd’s actions don’t meet either criteria. Joey definitely hits point an and point b would be debatable. If a dally m award winner got popped for performance enhancing drugs you would have a case to strip them (which is what happened to Jobe Watson of Essendon after the supplements drama).

Even assholes deserve to keep an award they won on merit. Hypothetically if Trent Barrett beats a punter within an inch of their life tomorrow it wouldn’t have had any impact on his 2000 season, however if a frozen sample of his that year is retested and found he’s on some illegal anabolic steroid you would be able to make a case to strip him of the medal.
 

Floodwaters

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Hayne's wife is embarrassing, before this mess Hayne refused to settle down wanted to sleep around, after the mess he wanted to settle down with her... shallow relationship.
 

Bazal

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Hayne's wife is embarrassing, before this mess Hayne refused to settle down wanted to sleep around, after the mess he wanted to settle down with her... shallow relationship.

Pathetic take tbh. We get it, you hate Hayne. Fair enough as a person, but leave his wife out of it IMO.
 

Floodwaters

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Pathetic take tbh. We get it, you hate Hayne. Fair enough as a person, but leave his wife out of it IMO.

Hmm ok.. before this mess he didn't want a relationship... multiple articles have him saying that.. finds himself in this shit storm he changes his mind.. not convenient?
 

Harry O

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Not having a sook but that's a horrible opinion, your saying if a female sends yourself a message like "I want to f**k you" that gives you a open invitation to rape her.. horrible opinion.
If I got a message like that and she invited me to her place,what does that mean? It means sex end of story. I wasn't born yesterday. I Hope women don't lead us on like that,it's unfair for men..
 

Floodwaters

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If I got a message like that and she invited me to her place,what does that mean? It means sex end of story. I wasn't born yesterday. I Hope women don't lead us on like that,it's unfair for men..

But if the women meets you and no longer wants it she can withdraw consent which seems to have happened in Haynes case.
 

Mr Angry

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History has been rewritten by someone for as long as we've had the concept of history.

Twitter likes a catch cry though so now it's fascists or whatever.
It's always been fascists.

They come in many flavours.

Someone will ban the book.

Do as I say not as I do, the way of the world.
 

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