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Jarryd Hayne to the NFL!

Will Jarryd Hayyne make it in the NFL?


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T.S Quint

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I saw Thornett and I gotta tell ya there isnt a struck match between them.
Interestingly enough The Mayor left the game at the end of the 1968 season only to return for a final year in 1971. Hopefully its deja vu all over again.

Sorry mate, but I don't think Thornett is up to coming out of retirement again .
 

T.S Quint

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Does the U.S. have smaller/lessor NFL comps, similar to our NSW country groups / qld regional comps ?

Nope.
There is the CFL in Canada, but players are more likely to prefer being a third stringer sitting on the bench in the NFL than play there.

The Niners' third string QB who played yesterday is likely to not play one second of football the entire year.
 

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Haynes the most gifted running player in the game i have seen.... Ive seen better players thou in NRL. I could name about 5 atleast. They did not have the running game-athletic skills but they had one thing in common. They controlled a game. For me that was the next step Hayne had to take if he wanted to be the greatest ever. The guy who controls the game is the guy who orchestrates the win. You may not see the flashy brilliance or the eye turning plays that make you want too stand up. BUT guys like thurston-Fitler-Johns-Lockyer are the guys who write the story.They are the guys who win you Titles. It is not all about freakish plays - The most important player is the one calling the shot and out smarting the other team with his game plan.
Foran will not have a highlights reel like Hayne. He will however get us better results. due to him steering the ship.I will take that over moments of flashy brilliance.

In 2015 we have been in every single game till the 55th minute. In 2014 we may of won more but 7 times we had no chance by this same time. This to me speaks volumes. Foran and Norman will be the best halves our club has had since the 80's. We will have a real good pack and it will be very hard to stop us. The back may not look great but im a fan of Taka.And semi amazes me every week. Faraimo is under rated as well.He can do a solid job, and we have Gordon who if fit may be a suprise packet.
I reckon we are top 4
 

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I'm not comparing skills but purely there athleticism. Rupeni was a winger in rugby and in his day the fastest there was, to this day the records that he set in the NZ Rugby speeds tests still stand. Hayne is fast but nothing like Rupeni, Hayne was beaten by that Aussie rugby guy, some guy that couldn't dream of being as fast as Rupeni.

Agility is a tough one to measure since its subjective, but just from watching the two Rupeni was far more agile.

Power is the only field where they may be a question mark, however Hayne recently took that 225 bench press competition and could get only a few reps out. Not very impressive tbh, you'd think Rupeni could do that easily.

Rupeni on his day was the most supreme back I've ever seen in world rugby and that's shocking considering how I'll disciplined he was. Just to give you an idea, when he was playing for the blues he use to turn up to training late, miss the warm up and use the training drills to warm up instead and he would still smoke everyone. The blues tried everything to get him under control, they bought him a house close to Eden park so 'traffic' would not make him late for training, you know what he, he took the house, drunk kava every night and skipped training all together then turn up in the weekend and carve up All Black players. There was a reason why NZ rugby tried moving heaven and earth to make eligible for the AB's but sadly it never happened and instead he just got fatter and fatter and fatter.

Speed on track in a straight line means nothing on the field.

To this day, Hayne remains the only athlete I've ever seen who could step right off his right foot and vice versa.

I'm well aware of Rupeni's work, by the way - he's the reason I became interested in union.

And I'm not denigrating just how good he was - rather, I'm stating that the tag of "Fiji's greatest ever athlete" isn't as cut and dried as you might think.

Using figures such as bench press numbers and 100m sprint times to compare athletes doesn't always work - Eric Grothe, Jnr. held the bench press record at Parramatta, but do you honrstly think he was stronger than Moimoi or Hindmarsh?
 

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Haynes the most gifted running player in the game i have seen.... Ive seen better players thou in NRL. I could name about 5 atleast. They did not have the running game-athletic skills but they had one thing in common. They controlled a game. For me that was the next step Hayne had to take if he wanted to be the greatest ever. The guy who controls the game is the guy who orchestrates the win. You may not see the flashy brilliance or the eye turning plays that make you want too stand up. BUT guys like thurston-Fitler-Johns-Lockyer are the guys who write the story.They are the guys who win you Titles. It is not all about freakish plays - The most important player is the one calling the shot and out smarting the other team with his game plan.
Foran will not have a highlights reel like Hayne. He will however get us better results. due to him steering the ship.I will take that over moments of flashy brilliance.

In 2015 we have been in every single game till the 55th minute. In 2014 we may of won more but 7 times we had no chance by this same time. This to me speaks volumes. Foran and Norman will be the best halves our club has had since the 80's. We will have a real good pack and it will be very hard to stop us. The back may not look great but im a fan of Taka.And semi amazes me every week. Faraimo is under rated as well.He can do a solid job, and we have Gordon who if fit may be a suprise packet.
I reckon we are top 4

Those blokes had handy teams helping them out. Compare their teams to the teams Hayne had to carry.

I think you're confusing the fact that Hayne was our only attacking threat with "highlight reels" and "flashes of brilliance".

Hayne's career is filled with "flashes of brilliance" compared to Foran's because Hayne had to carry a shit team on his shoulders, but Foran has had the luxury of playing in a good team - harder to stand out with individual moments of class.
 

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I've been cruising the 49'ers subreddit to see what the sentiment towards him has been since he made the move over there.

At the start it was unbelievably negative, people saying that he had no chance, because "The NFL is the bestest most awesomest thing of all the things, and only superman or some other super-human would have a chance trying to make an NFL team without playing the game their whole life".

I checked it out his morning, and most of the top threads are "All aboard the Hayne Hype train!" but many of them, to their credit have been eating humble pie, saying they were wrong about him, and are really excited to see him continue on.

The thing I find hilarious are the few stubborn ones that are clinging to the "He'll never make it" attitude, one guy was saying that nothing he did was impressive at all, and that he has no chance of making the squad.

My guess is that these people will have all their beliefs come crashing down if someone could come over from a different country, having never played the sport competitively, and do well inside of a year. making the roster of an NFL team, basically they can no longer believe that it takes at least 6-7 years to get to pro NFL level, regardless of beginning skill level.

It is nice to see a lot of US 49'ers fans get behind him though. He looked really great with the ball, but he needs more direction on what to do when he isn't the intended ball carrier, he was looking a little like he had no idea what he was supposed to do.

Looking forward to see him play against the Cowboys next week. Should be a good time.

Americans are no different to us, we think the same thing about our sports. We would ridicule anyone from NFL, AFL or soccer who tried to play our sport. I don't know why it is so popular to make out Americans are the only people in the world who big note themselves?

Anyways, the below article is pretty much spot on imo. He does have a long way to go and to debut that way and the media that has ensued is only putting more pressure on him. As people love to tear other people down i hope he is at least solid this week otherwise there will be plenty more about it, this time in the other direction.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/us-spor...hype-after-debut/story-e6frf6ju-1227486767729
 

T.S Quint

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Haynes the most gifted running player in the game i have seen.... Ive seen better players thou in NRL. I could name about 5 atleast. They did not have the running game-athletic skills but they had one thing in common. They controlled a game. For me that was the next step Hayne had to take if he wanted to be the greatest ever. The guy who controls the game is the guy who orchestrates the win. You may not see the flashy brilliance or the eye turning plays that make you want too stand up. BUT guys like thurston-Fitler-Johns-Lockyer are the guys who write the story.They are the guys who win you Titles. It is not all about freakish plays - The most important player is the one calling the shot and out smarting the other team with his game plan.
Foran will not have a highlights reel like Hayne. He will however get us better results. due to him steering the ship.I will take that over moments of flashy brilliance.

In 2015 we have been in every single game till the 55th minute. In 2014 we may of won more but 7 times we had no chance by this same time. This to me speaks volumes. Foran and Norman will be the best halves our club has had since the 80's. We will have a real good pack and it will be very hard to stop us. The back may not look great but im a fan of Taka.And semi amazes me every week. Faraimo is under rated as well.He can do a solid job, and we have Gordon who if fit may be a suprise packet.
I reckon we are top 4

Lockyer, Thurston, Johns, Fittler.

Those names you mentioned...notice any great similarity between all those players?

They are all halves. Halves are supposed to control the game. That's their job.
Hayne was a fullback/winger/centre. It wasn't his job to control games - and yet there were still some games where he did just that.
 

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:lol:

There's actually been a few dicks on here talking/hoping of and about Jarryd's return.

TBH, I still don't know whether he will make it. Honestly I don't.
But I always said it from the start, and I think parra pete was the only one who backed me up, that I think Jarryd will make it because of the person he is. He is a strongly focused individual with enormous, extraordinarily mental and physical talents. He has faith, strong faith, which I admire, and he has a rare commodity in humans - self belief in his own talent and ability.
We all doubt ourselves at times, but it's only the bravest of the best of us that actually take our talents to the Nth degree.
Jarryd is one of those people who has the balls enough to try it. And, above and beyond all of that, he's had the balls enough to give up a hell of a life to do it.
I've, at times thought I could have gone on to bigger and better things than my mundane life in my chosen profession. But it was that next step, and the step after, that held me back, so I was content in my comfy everyday life experience that ultimately keeps me a satisfied human and feeds my kids. I've never really strived for more than that.

It's people like Jarryd that can be an inspiration to millions of young kids, and for someone like him who has already achieved so much, and has sacrificed so much more, for his dream...... I can only admire such courage.

He may have only been 26 when he left our club, but he is the greatest Eel that has ever worn the Blue and Gold in my eyes, and I have seen the best of them.........except Thornett.

Suity


I totally agree with everything you've said there, Suitman. And I have seen Thornett.
 

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BUT guys like thurston are the guys who write the story.They are the guys who win you Titles

The only time thurston has won a competition was coming off the bench in his 3rd year. Premierships are about having the best team but there's no doubt that Thurston and Hayne are the two best players in the game for the past 6 years. In this time less capable players have won premierships.
 

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Im just stating half is your most important position in the NRL...Just like QB in NFL. And although fullback is a very important position i value a half more.

If i was a coach id build my team like BA is.... Sort out the halves.Have big strong wingers. And tough hard forwards. What i like about BA is he seems to favour the type of players i like to win a title.
Of course Haynes the best fullback ive seen. But cause he was costing so much in a position you could get someone that could contribute well enough for that role on a lot less. There is the floor in the salary cap IMO.....
NRL is simple -Win the forward battle and control the game and you win most games..... We will have a team that can do that next year. Relax on the hype of expensive centres...

NEW england build a great team with the cheapest RB's in comp.
 

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Im just stating half is your most important position in the NRL...Just like QB in NFL. And although fullback is a very important position i value a half more.

If i was a coach id build my team like BA is.... Sort out the halves.Have big strong wingers. And tough hard forwards. What i like about BA is he seems to favour the type of players i like to win a title.
Of course Haynes the best fullback ive seen. But cause he was costing so much in a position you could get someone that could contribute well enough for that role on a lot less. There is the floor in the salary cap IMO.....
NRL is simple -Win the forward battle and control the game and you win most games..... We will have a team that can do that next year. Relax on the hype of expensive centres...

NEW england build a great team with the cheapest RB's in comp.

While a good half is definitely important to an NRL team, it's not even close to how important a QB is to an NFL team.
 

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Americans are no different to us, we think the same thing about our sports. We would ridicule anyone from NFL, AFL or soccer who tried to play our sport. I don't know why it is so popular to make out Americans are the only people in the world who big note themselves?

Anyways, the below article is pretty much spot on imo. He does have a long way to go and to debut that way and the media that has ensued is only putting more pressure on him. As people love to tear other people down i hope he is at least solid this week otherwise there will be plenty more about it, this time in the other direction.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/us-spor...hype-after-debut/story-e6frf6ju-1227486767729

You do have a point, but Americans are a special breed of arrogant. There was a guy on reddit saying that NFL players were on par over (he said) the first 1/3 of a 100m sprint with Usain Bolt.

Usain. Bolt.

He basically was saying that no other athlete in the world compared to any athlete produced by the US, anywhere, in any sport. And when he was given examples, he shrugged them off like they were nobodies. I think Christano Ronaldo was one such example.

To blindly stick to your guns like that and not concede that there is even ONE athlete in the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD that is better than ANY US athlete is arrogance unrivaled anywhere else.

I agree though that he still has work to do, he didn't get everything right, but if a college draft rookie had that game, they would have hoisted him on their shoulders as the second coming.

The fact that it was his first game in organised competition should make that game impressive, by any standard. The fact that people are still saying he has no chance of making the squad is ludicrous.

He has as much of a chance as anyone else, at this point, if he performs well in the rest of the pre-season, he shouldn't have any trouble. It's not like they have 40 guys who can return better than he can.
 
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Speed on track in a straight line means nothing on the field.

To this day, Hayne remains the only athlete I've ever seen who could step right off his right foot and vice versa.

I'm well aware of Rupeni's work, by the way - he's the reason I became interested in union.

And I'm not denigrating just how good he was - rather, I'm stating that the tag of "Fiji's greatest ever athlete" isn't as cut and dried as you might think.

Using figures such as bench press numbers and 100m sprint times to compare athletes doesn't always work - Eric Grothe, Jnr. held the bench press record at Parramatta, but do you honrstly think he was stronger than Moimoi or Hindmarsh?

If you're comparing speed on the field then Rupeni wins by KO. Hayne is fast but not exceptionally, didn't he get run down once by Yow Yeh? Compare that to Rupeni who I've never seen run down, once I even saw him blitzing a young fast Lote Tiquri, one of Queenslanda greatest ever wingers, when he had given up 2-3 metres of space and had to slow down to catch the ball over his head.

What do you mean by step right of the right foot? Show me an example. I've seen Rupeni simply swerve right of his right foot and beat the defender with ease. Also he's so smooth when he runs, even when he steps he actually ends up maintaining or gaining pace. Not many can do that, never seen Hayne doing that.

If you're aware of how good Rupeni was then you would know about the glowing accolades he received for some of the greatest players ever. Brian O'driscoll one of the greatest centres ever and former Ireland captain ranked him as the 3rd greatest player even, Mike Tindall former World Cup winner and former England captain described him as the best player in the world and Chris Patterson former Scotland captain echoed his statement. Guys like Joe Rokocoko who went on to being a household name, the best best winger in the world and one of the best singers for the All Blacks was sitting on the bench for Auckland because Rupeni was there. The list kinda goes one, I think once Johnny Wilkinson was sent for Newcastle, England to Auckland to try and get him to sign with his club over there. It's crazy how good he was and how highly he was rated considering he only played a few internationals and was so overweight.

SBW was once to best in the world in league, Folau in his time would have been close to. In Union SBW is average, Folau is doing pretty good but neither would have been fit to shine Rupeni's boots in Union. I mean if he was in his prime and was allowed to play for Austtalia I'd guarantee them World Cup glory.

I agree that bench press isn't a good measure of true strength and that's why I said there was a question mark over strength. However in reply to your anology, props are usually bigger then wingers which is why they're stronger in the contact situation and in this situation Rupeni is actually bigger then Hayne in terms of weight, he's shorter which means he has better acceleration and lower centre of gravity which will all point to him being harder to bring down.
 
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There's not a skerrick of doubt that the average NFL player in skill / speed positions (RB, WR, DB, LB etc) is a superior 'athlete' to the average NRL player in skill / speed positions. That's just the result of a) maths (30 teams 300 odd million people v 16 teams about 7 million people) b) history / genetics c) money invested in development etc.

But, of course, that doesn't mean that some of the better NRL players would be out of their depth in the NFL, given enough time to learn the game / train. In statistical terms, one group has the higher mean....but the distributions overlap.
 

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If you're comparing speed on the field then Rupeni wins by KO. Hayne is fast but not exceptionally, didn't he get run down once by Yow Yeh? Compare that to Rupeni who I've never seen run down, once I even saw him blitzing a young fast Lote Tiquri, one of Queenslanda greatest ever wingers, when he had given up 2-3 metres of space and had to slow down to catch the ball over his head.

What do you mean by step right of the right foot? Show me an example. I've seen Rupeni simply swerve right of his right foot and beat the defender with ease. Also he's so smooth when he runs, even when he steps he actually ends up maintaining or gaining pace. Not many can do that, never seen Hayne doing that.

If you're aware of how good Rupeni was then you would know about the glowing accolades he received for some of the greatest players ever. Brian O'driscoll one of the greatest centres ever and former Ireland captain ranked him as the 3rd greatest player even, Mike Tindall former World Cup winner and former England captain described him as the best player in the world and Chris Patterson former Scotland captain echoed his statement. Guys like Joe Rokocoko who went on to being a household name, the best best winger in the world and one of the best singers for the All Blacks was sitting on the bench for Auckland because Rupeni was there. The list kinda goes one, I think once Johnny Wilkinson was sent for Newcastle, England to Auckland to try and get him to sign with his club over there. It's crazy how good he was and how highly he was rated considering he only played a few internationals and was so overweight.

SBW was once to best in the world in league, Folau in his time would have been close to. In Union SBW is average, Folau is doing pretty good but neither would have been fit to shine Rupeni's boots in Union. I mean if he was in his prime and was allowed to play for Austtalia I'd guarantee them World Cup glory.

I agree that bench press isn't a good measure of true strength and that's why I said there was a question mark over strength. However in reply to your anology, props are usually bigger then wingers which is why they're stronger in the contact situation and in this situation Rupeni is actually bigger then Hayne in terms of weight, he's shorter which means he has better acceleration and lower centre of gravity which will all point to him being harder to bring down.

Us mere mortals step off our left foot to move right, and vice versa.

Hayne could step off his right foot to move right, and vice versa. A good example is the final try of the Final against the Dragons in 2009.

SBW and Folau are not in Hayne's league imo.

I'm certain that Hayne would shibe in union.

Grothe Jnr. was bigger than Fui (not as stocky) and Hindy, but I'd back Hindmarsh for pure strength over Guru any day tbh.

I'm well aware of the accolades Rupeni received, and rightfully so.

However, Hayne himself has been praised by Sterling, Johns, Lockyer, Bennett, Sheens, Gould and more. I even heard Fittler once claim he's the best player he's ever seen.

Rupeni and Hayne are different sorts of players, but imo, and I know you disgaree, Hayne was the more complete player - I'd be able to count on one hand how many certain tries Rupeni saved with great tackles, but Hayne made many try-saving tackles in a glittering career.

It's a moot point, anyway - he's gone.
 

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There's not a skerrick of doubt that the average NFL player in skill / speed positions (RB, WR, DB, LB etc) is a superior 'athlete' to the average NRL player in skill / speed positions. That's just the result of a) maths (30 teams 300 odd million people v 16 teams about 7 million people) b) history / genetics c) money invested in development etc.

But, of course, that doesn't mean that some of the better NRL players would be out of their depth in the NFL, given enough time to learn the game / train. In statistical terms, one group has the higher mean....but the distributions overlap.

But is that because they're literally all so good, or because "average" out of a population ten times greater than our own means that the pool is so much bigger that it's skewed in their favour? I mean, their population alone pretty much mandates that their average athletes will be bettet than ours because they have many more players to choose from to go pro.
 

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But is that because they're literally all so good, or because "average" out of a population ten times greater than our own means that the pool is so much bigger that it's skewed in their favour? I mean, their population alone pretty much mandates that their average athletes will be bettet than ours because they have many more players to choose from to go pro.

Not to mention that NFL players are scouted at high school level, recruited to colleges, and heavily supported the entire time during their development.

Americans spend Millions (probably Billions) of dollars a year developing young talent, which is something we just simply cannot do here.

Could you imagine if we had a national, NRL level competition for rugby league, from High School, then through Uni? In america College Football is as (if not more) popular than the NFL, It would be almost impossible for them not to produce better athletes at NFL level.
 
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But is that because they're literally all so good, or because "average" out of a population ten times greater than our own means that the pool is so much bigger that it's skewed in their favour? I mean, their population alone pretty much mandates that their average athletes will be bettet than ours because they have many more players to choose from to go pro.

Yeh, that exactly what I meant when I mentioned the fact that they have 30 teams for 300 million + citizens. It's not the absolute population that makes the average higher, it's the number of playing spots relative to that population. But it's not the only factor. A lot of big, fast African-Americans in the South, all encouraged from an early age to play RB etc. A high school and college system that give players the time to develop their bodies before being thrown in (usually). Bigger market in general mean more $$, more $$ thrown into development / training.
 
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