Jason Ryles - Head coach of Parramatta from 2025

[Poupou Escobar]

Even if the PO brings down the value of the first contract [which i am not convinced in our case]

So Melbourne got something in exchange for Harry Grant’s PO but we didn’t for any of ours? Your bias is showing.

it ensures maximum value for the player on the second contract.

If that was the case the player would activate the PO every time. We know of two occasions where Eels players haven’t activated their option; RCG and Talagi. A case where a player did activate his PO was Welch after he was badly injured during contract negotiations in 2019. Melbourne were stuck with him on the books the following year and won the comp. I have no doubt his PO was for unders, as are all player options, because if they weren’t they wouldn’t be options.

In the same way, options in the club’s favour are certain to be worth no less than the player’s expected (at the time of negotiation) value in the option year. When you look at how mutual options (a simultaneous PO and CO) were described for Josh Hodgson, this is exactly as I describe here. If the value of the option was a no brainer (overs for a PO or unders for a CO) then it wouldn’t be any sort of option at all. You need to use your brain for once and stop listening to rugby league journos trying to stir you up and destabilise the club. You need to listen to me.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

this is a club that cheated the cap to win a spoon...

It wasn’t the current management.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

But what about the impact of waiting time (for whether the player takes it up or not) on forward planning and other alternatives we miss out on in the meantime. Look up opportunity cost - you're welcome.

If the club wants to keep the player it won’t wait for him to activate the option. They will start contract renewal talks long before then.

I think you vastly overstate the supposed equivalence of a PO being in lieu of money.

You are overstating the likelihood of anyone offering something for nothing in a business transaction.

The club has to budget for it in case it needs to honour it, and so is hamstrung from flexibility they'd otherwise enjoy in the meantime.

Well yes, this is the cost. It’s obvious and not in doubt. We are now discussing why any club would agree to this extra cost/risk unless there was some benefit in return. Until you can demonstrate why they would, we must assume there is a benefit.

Just offer and sign players for how long you want them for on that contract in the first place, keep it simple instead of the poor business of being bent over by player managers for options.

The alternative is being ‘bent over by player managers’ for extra money. Or maybe get your head out of your arse, put down Das Kapital, and realise that economic transactions aren’t all examples of exploitation. The people running the club are in the job because they’re smarter than you. If LU posters can see the risks of player options, so can they. Managers are likewise smarter than you. Yet they still agree to club options, because there is something in it for them.

 

[Eelementary]

I don't see it at all. The guy can't even catch a freakin ball ffs! And don't start me on his shirt grabbing defence.

Talagi needs a great team to look good and is why he is spearing off to the Panthers. Hayne was the great team.

I thought with Blaize, there is ability there, but his carry on over his contract was as if he was Jamie Lyon, and Jarryd Hayne's lovechild.

He isn't fit to be even mentioned in the same breath as those two.

And you know what? He probably never will be, because those two players were generational talents.

 

[King-Gutho94]

I thought with Blaize, there is ability there, but his carry on over his contract was as if he was Jamie Lyon, and Jarryd Hayne's lovechild.

He isn't fit to be even mentioned in the same breath as those two.

And you know what? He probably never will be, because those two players were generational talents.

Both those generational talents ended up being tragic endings from a Parramatta perspective.

We truly are cursed.

Jamie Lyon would have been what Gutho is now if not more if he stayed his whole career here.

 

[Eelementary]

Both those generational talents ended up being tragic endings from a Parramatta perspective.

We truly are cursed.

Jamie Lyon would have been what Gutho is now if not more if he stayed his whole career here.

Absolutely.

I still think it's a crying shame that players like Nathan Hindmarsh retired without a Premiership, but gimps like Matthew Johns didn't...

 

[Eelementary]

Both those generational talents ended up being tragic endings from a Parramatta perspective.

We truly are cursed.

Jamie Lyon would have been what Gutho is now if not more if he stayed his whole career here.

I was devastated when Lyon left.

He was an incredible player.

He was so good, he was just as good as 5/8, as he was at centre.

He was - genuinely - Brett Kenny, mkII.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Absolutely.

I still think it's a crying shame that players like Nathan Hindmarsh retired without a Premiership, but gimps like Matthew Johns didn't...

Its a crying shame for Hindy but i reckon he was part of the problem in those big games we lost in that era.

His nervous energy and defeatist energy as a senior player would have rubbed off on the younger blokes.

Not entirely his fault. But i get why in retirement observing his attitude & mindset that he would have been like that in the rooms and unintentionally of course but would have made everyone around feel more queasy for a big game which you don't want.

 

[Eelementary]

Its a crying shame for Hindy but i reckon he was part of the problem in those big games we lost in that era.

His nervous energy and defeatist energy as a senior player would have rubbed off on the younger blokes.

Not entirely his fault. But i get why in retirement observing his attitude & mindset that he would have been like that in the rooms and unintentionally of course but would have made everyone around feel more queasy for a big game which you don't want.

Yeah, I agree with that.

But it's a shame that a champion player like him retired with no Premierships to his name.

 

[Gronk]

Absolutely.

I still think it's a crying shame that players like Nathan Hindmarsh retired without a Premiership, but gimps like Matthew Johns didn't...

Brett Finch has a 2009 Premiership ring !

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Really? You seriously believe that?

Yes of course. It’s not rocket surgery that there is a risk/cost to options, whether PO, CO or MO. What is harder (for some) to grasp is that there must be benefits or these options wouldn’t be agreed upon.

Your logic suggests that people in these/all jobs are somehow beyond criticism from anyone who is not in that job at that exact moment... what an amazing top-down respect-all-authority world, where no alternate ideas could possibly shine a light on potential improvements.

I’m sure they are subject to valid criticism, but it isn’t from fans or rugby league journalists. The extent of their visibility is what happens on the field or at pressers. The extent of their corporate management expertise is in most cases zero.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Nonsense and piffle. Source?

First you can show your source that clubs and player managers agree to player/club options in exchange for zero benefit to themselves.