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Gardenia

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This Year? said:
I'm all for the NRL protecting it's image as long as they are consistent with it.
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IMO the NRL have set the bar too high at 11 years .
Someone can assault a woman and not be automatically stood down
and they say they are serious about violence against women
common assault is less then 11 years
assault causing serious bodily harm has to be proven to be intentional to be more then 11 years
Its not being consistent IMO if they are serious about violent behavior
 
possm

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Drag Queen said:
Am I incorrect in assuming he was stood down with pay? Show me one case where someone has successfully sued on this premise. Wrongful incarceration warrants remuneration. Whether they get it or not is a totally different story.
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Surely it would be the size of pay that matters:
Is it half, full or a percentage of salary?
Are there provisions for representative income?
Is the pay upfront or as per prior to stand down?
Is SGI paying or is the NRL paying?
 
2010

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It is going to get nasty when all is said and done, if his is found Quilty then it’s all over red rover for him.
If he is found to be innocent I would hope our club sues the NRL, their stance could be summed up as restriction to ‘trade’ he would be playing SOO if still playing, so not playing his earning potential is deminished and his asking price for a new contract is also diminished.
 
TruSaint

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Gardenia said:
IMO the NRL have set the bar too high at 11 years .
Someone can assault a woman and not be automatically stood down
and they say they are serious about violence against women
common assault is less then 11 years
assault causing serious bodily harm has to be proven to be intentional to be more then 11 years
Its not being consistent IMO if they are serious about violent behavior
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Nope...

Dylan Walker stepped down even though his charge doesnt reach the 11 year threshold.

With Jack de Belin stood down until the sexual assault charge he has denied is finalised in the courts, the NRL has now decided to also stand down Walker, despite the maximum punishment for his assault charge falling below the 11-year threshold that mandates an immediate “no fault stand down” under the new rules announced on Thursday.

Under new rules, players who are charged by police but face less than a maximum 11 years’ jail can still be banned by the chief executive Greenberg before their matter is legally completed.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/d...l/news-story/5037cd22e4f8a57b6c4e3a7ac28f6cd7
 
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Drag Queen said:
Am I incorrect in assuming he was stood down with pay? Show me one case where someone has successfully sued on this premise. Wrongful incarceration warrants remuneration. Whether they get it or not is a totally different story.
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It could be the case that if he was payed and not selected by the Dragons, (which the club has every entitlement to do) then JDB would have no case. Being stood down by the NRL is a direct punishment for wrong doing, although that’s not how the NRL board are trying to sell it. I guess time will tell but in hindsight Im kinda sorry I reignited further conversation on this topic, as it’s a very complicated argument and there’s much better topics to discuss. It’s time to move on. The season can’t start soon enough.
 
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All of a sudden these clubs that voted for this ridiculous new rule are regretting it as the NRL are now useing the rule against those clubs, and the other clubs in which it does not affect them at this stage will one day regret there decision.
The Cowboys are dirty that Scot Bolton is now in the sights of the NRL.
 
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Drag Queen said:
The blind truth is he wouldn't have a chance in hell of suing anyone whether innocent or guilty. No precedent comes to mind. Finally the NRL board have showed some balls. Low hanging balls, but it takes the onus out of our team which I think they were hoping for. Best decision for the team. Go kick some goals Dragons without distraction.
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Roy Masters wrote about a precedent just this past week, something in relation to a TV star being denied the ability to work in the 1990’s
 
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I do not think chasing Kasiano is not a good idea. We may be better to wait and get advice from Debelins legal team. If then if all else fails then look at a replacement.
The other thing is why should we help the Storm in regards to ther salary cap issues.
 
Gardenia

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TruSaint said:
Nope...

Dylan Walker stepped down even though his charge doesnt reach the 11 year threshold.

With Jack de Belin stood down until the sexual assault charge he has denied is finalised in the courts, the NRL has now decided to also stand down Walker, despite the maximum punishment for his assault charge falling below the 11-year threshold that mandates an immediate “no fault stand down” under the new rules announced on Thursday.

Under new rules, players who are charged by police but face less than a maximum 11 years’ jail can still be banned by the chief executive Greenberg before their matter is legally completed.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/d...l/news-story/5037cd22e4f8a57b6c4e3a7ac28f6cd7
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yes thats consistent "in this case: but its still up to their discretion below 11 years.

any charge of violence should be automatic not up to discretion
 
TruSaint

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Gardenia said:
yes thats consistent "in this case: but its still up to their discretion below 11 years.

any charge of violence should be automatic not up to discretion
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The question then rises as to " what level of violence " thus, the discretion.

If a player is on a night out, and is involved in a scuffle / with some one who dislikes his profile, or club etc, then should that be the same as say Packer punching and kicking a bloke to next year ? I dont think so.

There must be some discretion, otherwise we will be playing 9's.
 
hazzbeen

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TruSaint said:
The question then rises as to " what level of violence " thus, the discretion.

If a player is on a night out, and is involved in a scuffle / with some one who dislikes his profile, or club etc, then should that be the same as say Packer punching and kicking a bloke to next year ? I dont think so.

There must be some discretion, otherwise we will be playing 9's.
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Mate they should bring back the biff in games and maybe they will all settle down with violence and stupidity off field .... Let the players sort themselves out .... Ah bring back the old days .....
 
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NRL's leadership in standing down Jack de Belin, Dylan Walker
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    GAME ON COLUMN

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    Court battle: Jac de Belin has pleaded not guilty to rape allegations. Picture: Nathan Hopkins/NRL Photos

    This is where rugby league ends up, mired in its own muck.

    This could be a column about the Charity Shield and South Sydney. Remember them? They knocked the Dragons out of the NRL finals last year after not one, but three field goals from Adam Reynolds.

    It could be a column about Gareth Widdop - who missed the Rabbitohs semi-final with a shoulder injury - heading home to England at the end of this campaign, hoping to take a premiership ring with him.

    About Paul McGregor gaining a contract extension or the outstanding coup to bring the trans-Tasman double-header to Wollongong at the end of the season.

    Choose your own adventure.

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    Pressure point: ARL Commission board memeber Mark Coyne.

    Instead, the sledgehammer came in back-to-back press conferences involving NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg, directly addressed game's stance on a smorgasbord of off-field issues rugby league has endured in the worst off-season in history.


    Sharks and Tigers salary cap penalties. Scott Bolton's five-game ban. Dylan Napa fined.

    The ARL Commission did the right thing by bringing in a policy framework to stand down players facing serious criminal charges.

    It was drawn out,.The commission flagged the policy change, Greenberg met with de Belin to offer him the chance to stand down. He declined. But the NRL - so often slammed for lack of conviction - has shown leadership.

    Where the line should be drawn under the new "no-fault" policy, the base level of serious allegations before the courts, will be up for endless debate.

    As with the Jack de Belin case, the NRL has shown leadership in standing down Dylan Walker and previously de-registering Ben Barba.


    And the Dragons have every reason to support de Belin while facing rape charges, but credit should be given to new ARL Commissioner Mark Coyne, a Dragons and Queensland State of Origin great, for backing the policy changes.

    Coyne is wedged here.

    Had it all panned out differently last year, Coyne could well have replaced Peter Doust as chief executive, after overseeing the Dragons 'football committee', formed at the end of 2016.

    Instead, he's now on the independent body protecting the game, its image and from itself. Coyne had previously taken the Dragons' stance about de Belin, but has now fallen into line with the commission.

    “I obviously did speak about that two weeks ago,” Coyne said on Thursday.

    “I’ve had a fair bit of consultation with people throughout the game and the commissioners. I’ve changed my view around that, realising the risk the game has at the moment in terms of its future.”
https://www.illawarramercury.com.au...hip-as-game-tears-itself-apart-again/?cs=3713
 
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