Jdb case

[Obi Wan]

So everyone bagging the NRL and their stance, how do you feel about St George Bank and their position on this one?

Just curious

It's probably just more propaganda from the media to bring their name into it and get people talking about it therefore creating more pressure on our club. You'll be bowing down forever to this scum if you don't stand up to it. Strong leadership in the NRL would have made the world of difference to this situation, they've made David Gallop look like a champ. I applaud St George and Jack for the way they are handling it.

 

[possm]

It's probably just more propaganda from the media to bring their name into it and get people talking about it therefore creating more pressure on our club. You'll be bowing down forever to this scum if you don't stand up to it. Strong leadership in the NRL would have made the world of difference to this situation, they've made David Gallop look like a champ, I applaud St George and Jack for the way they are handling it.

Yes the ARLC/NRL has handled this very poorly. If they wanted De Belin to stand down, why not have a meeting with De Belin and the Club and thrash out a secret deal that is agreeable to all three entities. I am convinced that we would not be in this place now if:

1. The ARLC/NRL took all responsibility for the decision to stand down De Belin and then introduce the new rule.
2. The ARLC/NRL payout De Belin's contract and offer compensation to settle the matter.
3. The ARLC/NRL credit SGI salary cap equal to that what was used for De Belin.
4. De Belin agree to stand down with all the details above and the terms of this deal to be kept confidential.

If the above measures were implemented, De Belin would now be off the field without admitting any wrong doing and without having to sue the ARLC/NRL:

1. The ARLC/NRL would not be in litigation with all the media talk associated with this.
2. SGI would be moving forward without any financial loss and the capacity to replace De Belin.
3. De Belin would have his contract fully paid out and some compensation received. He would seem to be an honourable player who stood down for the good of the game.

 

[Willow]

So everyone bagging the NRL and their stance, how do you feel about St George Bank and their position on this one?

Just curious

What is their position?

Ah, I suspect you've been reading The Mole. I'm just curious as well... is this is your only source for this 'news'.

No details or direct quotes or statements.... but what do you expect from a gossip column?

If you have a more credible source, then please post it and we'll mull over it together. But if it's just gossip, then it certainly contradicts the previous, and only existing, report that I know of that contains a statement from St George bank

St George Bank has a 40-year relationship with the Dragons in one form or another. Their support stretches from junior rugby league to the women’s game.

They aren’t about to cut and run over the club’s handling of de Belin, as polarising as that may be. The relationship between the parties is stronger than that.

“As these allegations are before the court we are unable to comment on such legal matters, and individual player misconduct is a matter for the NRL,” a spokesperson for St George Bank said.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...t/news-story/05838fb816d23092494028337bb78f16

FTR, I still think due process should be respected, regardless of the media trial. But I suspect the gossip is an attempt to gain enough traction and drag out the story even further, thereby putting pressure on the sponsors to reverse their current stance. It may yet prove successful, we only have to look at how the NRL have allowed the tail to wag the dog.

What we do know is that JdB has the support of the Club, teammates, his partner and family... and all those members of the public who don't like to see anyone hung out to dry.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Cheers Willow, I get it, however regardless of the idiot source I’d be interested to know what supporters would think if the Bank does take such a stance? In respect of the source again are you suggesting hat these people lie? People like Paul Kent, the mole etc? well I never thought that would be the case.

 

[Willow]

Cheers Willow, I get it, however regardless of the idiot source I’d be interested to know what supporters would think if the Bank does take such a stance? In respect of the source again are you suggesting hat these people lie? People like Paul Kent, the mole etc? well I never thought that would be the case.

I gave my answer to that.
I still think due process should be respected, regardless of the media trial.

Do they lie? Are you serious? lol. They have a talent for words, let's leave it at that.

 

[Buz-V]

So everyone bagging the NRL and their stance, how do you feel about St George Bank and their position on this one?

Just curious

 

[nontime111]

The more this goes on and the action Jacks taking looks more and more like hes an innocent man, just saying, it doesnt seem to be the actions of someone whos guilty to me, that would mean hiding in shame...it really feels like hes been totally royally F(&*( over and is damn pissed and eager to fight this for his reputations sake and to get back on the field, the solid aggressive actions hes taking really makes me think he is an innocent man

 

[The calm one]

The more this goes on and the action Jacks taking looks more and more like hes an innocent man, just saying, it doesnt seem to be the actions of someone whos guilty to me, that would mean hiding in shame...it really feels like hes been totally royally F(&*( over and is damn pissed and eager to fight this for his reputations sake and to get back on the field, the solid aggressive actions hes taking really makes me think he is an innocent man

Me dragons man told me tonight. Jack WILL win his appeal and play for the Saints this year. No comments on the other matter

 

[nontime111]

Me dragons man told me tonight. Jack WILL win his appeal and play for the Saints this year. No comments on the other matter

good Im rapt! I prey its true for everyones sake

 

[The calm one]

good Im rapt! I prey its true for everyones sake

I can't guarantee it, but when old mate tells me something he normally comes up with the goods

 

[Dorsai]

For a criminal case, absolutely. But every single employer in Australia has the legal right to have a code of conduct that includes the right to investigate and suspend employees. And many of them include being charged with a serious offence as grounds for suspension.

So provided any process that does that is fair and allows for natural justice, it is legally enforcable.

No issue with having a code of conduct to abide by. I work with one in and out of work, so am very familiar with the concept.
The thing is, he has not breached a code of conduct. He may have been charged with an offence, however, there has been no court case to decide guilt. Therefore at this point, he has not breached the code as I is an allegation only.
The ARL have no legal standing to investigate this case as it is before the court. Technically, they are not permitted to do anything.
I would assume at this point if they scramble this rule in by next Thursday, it will be overturned in federal court. I can’t see how they have a leg to stand on but we won’t know till it goes before the court. Unless something else happens before then.
These are only my thoughts having seen this sort of thing happen in workplaces previously, but it will be an interesting week for sure.

 

[Pro Dragons]

While technically Jack is not employed by the Nrl they do pay 110% of his salary through the salary cap. Jack is absolutely entitled to his innocence until proven guilty or otherwise but you have to wonder at what price. From the day that Jack was charged (13/12) until today (7/3)...Dragons memberships are down 43% on the corresponding period from last year. While it's not helped by the media circus that will continue and only get worse I hope the Dragons are aware of the potential damage to their brand. (As a Sharks supporter i know all about that shit!)

What is the source stating 'Dragons memberships are down 43% on the corresponding period from last year'?

 

[possm]

What is their position?

Ah, I suspect you've been reading The Mole. I'm just curious as well... is this is your only source for this 'news'.

No details or direct quotes or statements.... but what do you expect from a gossip column?

If you have a more credible source, then please post it and we'll mull over it together. But if is just gossip, then it certainly contradicts the previous, and only existing, report that I know of that contains a statement from St George bank

St George Bank has a 40-year relationship with the Dragons in one form or another. Their support stretches from junior rugby league to the women’s game.

They aren’t about to cut and run over the club’s handling of de Belin, as polarising as that may be. The relationship between the parties is stronger than that.

“As these allegations are before the court we are unable to comment on such legal matters, and individual player misconduct is a matter for the NRL,” a spokesperson for St George Bank said.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...t/news-story/05838fb816d23092494028337bb78f16

FTR, I still think due process should be respected, regardless of the media trial. But I suspect the gossip is an attempt to gain enough traction and drag out the story even further, thereby putting pressure on the sponsors to reverse their current stance. It may yet prove successful, we only have to look at how the NRL have allowed the tail to wag the dog.

What we do know is that JdB has the support of the Club, teammates, his partner and family... and all those members of the public who don't like to see anyone hung out to dry.

I expect St George Bank - being a very professional organisation - to have the following view:
Sexual assault is a very serious crime and should be condemned by all.
SGI played no part in the current situation.
JDB is presumed innocent until deemed otherwise by the courts.
The current situation is due to the ARLC/NRL introducing new policy.
We have a long standing relationship with SGI and will continue to support the Club.

 

[possm]

What is the source stating 'Dragons memberships are down 43% on the corresponding period from last year'?

If membership is down look no further than the public announcement by the SGI CEO that is will recommend the contract extension of Mary. SGI fans will walk in droves as they as sick and tired of the unprofessional way SGI management are doing their job and the poor standard of achievement Mary as delivered over the past 5 years.

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

What is the source stating 'Dragons memberships are down 43% on the corresponding period from last year'?

In the main forum there is a membership tracker which is religiously updated by Timmah (mod). If you look at the two dates in question (13/12/18 to 7/3/19)...the Dragons were 6% in front of 2018 figures when Jack was charged. They are now 11% behind the 2018 figure. The 43% drop is only for the corresponding time period (last 12 weeks) but would have to be a concern. Unfortunately this situation will continue to play out in a very public manner including when Jack becomes a dad in the next few weeks.. You can only imagine the reception Jack will receive from opposition supporters... Round 3 v Broncos at Suncorp anyone? Jack is absolutely entitled to the presumption of innocence but try telling that to the average Joe with a gutfull of piss at the footy.
I sincerely hope that the Dragons have the right welfare and support in place for Jack and his family as this no win situation pans out.

 

[possm]

In the main forum there is a membership tracker which is religiously updated by Timmah (mod). If you look at the two dates in question (13/12/18 to 7/3/19)...the Dragons were 6% in front of 2018 figures when Jack was charged. They are now 11% behind the 2018 figure. The 43% drop is only for the corresponding time period (last 12 weeks) but would have to be a concern. Unfortunately this situation will continue to play out in a very public manner including when Jack becomes a dad in the next few weeks.. You can only imagine the reception Jack will receive from opposition supporters... Round 3 v Broncos at Suncorp anyone? Jack is absolutely entitled to the presumption of innocence but try telling that to the average Joe with a gutfull of piss at the footy.
I sincerely hope that the Dragons have the right welfare and support in place for Jack and his family as this no win situation pans out.

I would love to know the numbers for the period after our CEO announced that he will be recommending a Mary contract extension.

 

[The Damo]

No issue with having a code of conduct to abide by. I work with one in and out of work, so am very familiar with the concept.
The thing is, he has not breached a code of conduct. He may have been charged with an offence, however, there has been no court case to decide guilt. Therefore at this point, he has not breached the code as I is an allegation only.
The ARL have no legal standing to investigate this case as it is before the court. Technically, they are not permitted to do anything.
I would assume at this point if they scramble this rule in by next Thursday, it will be overturned in federal court. I can’t see how they have a leg to stand on but we won’t know till it goes before the court. Unless something else happens before then.
These are only my thoughts having seen this sort of thing happen in workplaces previously, but it will be an interesting week for sure.

They won’t be arguing he’s breached the code of conduct. They won’t investigate and now should they. The policy is based on him being charged. I personally would be very surprised if the court rules that a company is legally required to keep a person in a public role while facing criminal charges.

 

[Capital_Dragon]

The thing is, he has not breached a code of conduct. He may have been charged with an offence, however, there has been no court case to decide guilt. Therefore at this point, he has not breached the code as I is an allegation only.
The ARL have no legal standing to investigate this case as it is before the court. Technically, they are not permitted to do anything.

Once they bring in an actual written code of conduct (supposedly next week) that states a players can be stood down if they have been charged with a serious offence then he will be in breach of that. His guilt or innocence is irrelevant.

Also while the NRL of course has no power to investigate the criminal complaint, they can investigate his behaviour that night. And if there is enough other evidence to indicate he breached the NRL code of conduct then he can be stood down for that.

Which is what happened to Barba. Enough people witnessed what happened that the NRL could form their own view that what happened breached the code of conduct and he was turfed. This will of course be much tougher for JDB's situation.

 

[possm]

They won’t be arguing he’s breached the code of conduct. They won’t investigate and now should they. The policy is based on him being charged. I personally would be very surprised if the court rules that a company is legally required to keep a person in a public role while facing criminal charges.

The retrospectivity and criteria will come into question. To some people it seems that the rule was specifically designed to catch De Belin.

The ARLC/NRL need to accept responsibility for the stand down rule as they are standing down the player; not the Club. Because of this, clubs and players need to be compensated for decision. After all it is not in place to accommodate a club or player, it is place to accommodate the ARLC/NRL.

I believe the retrospectivity of the rule will be the greatest barrier for the court to grant the ARLC/NRL a win.

So De Belin will be a one off situation mainly because the rule did not apply at the time he was charged. If the ARLC/NRL want the rule to apply to De Belin they will need to negotiate with him privately and make it worth his while to agree otherwise, I am sure De Belin will be available to play until at least the end of the legal process and possibly after that if he is found to be not guilty.

 

[2218]

The NRL want to bring in this policy and then backdate it is just wrong. Consider the NRL have people playing in its league that have been convicted and served gaol sentences for acts of violence. So we will have players that have done gaol playing and those that haven’t been convicted of anything stood down? Not sure this policy will be backed by federal court and very sure backdating the policy will not