Josh Dugan Told To Shop Himself Around - Not happy with the Dragons.

[dragonssamy61]

I agree that it is paramount to get a top 5/8 who will play well with Hunt. I also agree that Tedesco would be great. I think if we could sign the likes Tedesco to play fullback and Bird or Moses to play 5/8, that we would have the right players to build our team around.

If we signed teddy and moses along with hunt we would have no salary cap to pay the rest of the squad.
So impossible to get them

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

The thing about Dugan is that he is only one player out of three*, who looks as though he takes pride in his performance with the Dragons.

*the others are Nightingale and Fritzell.

 

[The Doc]

Correct me if im wrong... but I remember an article last year or the year before... where Dugan himself was quoted as saying he would like to play in the centres on a permanent basis.
Now he is saying he wants to play centres/wing in rep teams but wants to be FB for his NRL team.
Anyone else recall this topic last year or the year before?
I really hope he stays... i rate him highly, but not highly enough to pay absurd money for.
I think our offer, 750k for 3 years, is a good one.

 

[Frank Facer]

If we signed teddy and moses along with hunt we would have no salary cap to pay the rest of the squad.
So impossible to get them

I disagree.

Wests want to keep Moses and Teddy. They also want to keep Woods, Brooks and build a team that can win the comp.

Melbourne have had much success with the likes of Smith, Cronk and Slater. They also have Jesse Bromwich and have had numerous other good players.

I am sure that clubs such as Brisbane, Easts and Canterbury could afford to have Teddy, Moses and Hunt all on their roster.

 

[Drakon]

Correct me if im wrong... but I remember an article last year or the year before... where Dugan himself was quoted as saying he would like to play in the centres on a permanent basis.
Now he is saying he wants to play centres/wing in rep teams but wants to be FB for his NRL team.
Anyone else recall this topic last year or the year before?
I really hope he stays... i rate him highly, but not highly enough to pay absurd money for.
I think our offer, 750k for 3 years, is a good one.

Yeah Doc. I recall that too. He seems like he's raised where the money is - fullback.

 

[The Doc]

Yeh, i recall he was adamant he wanted to switch to centre.
I think that was because he had no chance of playing rep footy at FB with Moylan, Tedesco etc in front of him.
Now that he gets selected in the centres while playing FB he wants to stay at fullback.
Either way i rate him, so i hope we come to a agreement and keep him for another 3 years.

 

[Dragon Revival]

Dugan scores about two tries per season and Dufty a try every second game. I know who I would prefer to have. Dugan has got worse every year.
Mc Gregor is a goose who plays Dufty, Field and Mann in the Nines and then
ignores them for slow plodders who he is scared to demote.

 

[Vinnie]

Dugan scores about two tries per season and Dufty a try every second game. I know who I would prefer to have. Dugan has got worse every year.
Mc Gregor is a goose who plays Dufty, Field and Mann in the Nines and then
ignores them for slow plodders who he is scared to demote.

Hey Dragon Revival I'm not sticking up for Duge or against him but what we all seem to forget is that on many times he has been our game breaker and had to do it on his own. Also and very importantly he has never had a average let alone good 9,7 or 6 to feed him. Widdop has tried on his own but again too much. Lets see him perform with and as part of a good (maybe great) spine then we can rate him.

the guy has never had a decent half since he's come to the dragons, now come next year he finally does in Hunt and a better 9 that actualy drives the team forward and the possibilty of a young exciting 5/8 in Field or even Widdop staying but never the less a much better spine and they want to shunt him to centres !!! Please i agree with him on this sorry to say.

 

[possm]

If Dugan does not want to be a centre, let him go.
If we let Dugan, Widdop, Lafai, Nightingale and some of the fringe backs go. A saving of about 2m dollars. We should have enough salary cap to sign:

Bird 900k - and we have so many options in the backline. Dufty and Field can be brought into first grade at either fullback or five-eighth. Both of these youngsters are signed long term and so do not need to be rushed.

Tedesco 1m - and we have a dynamic ball playing fullback.

With a new coach our backline could be a GF winner in 2018:

Tedesco - one of the best fullbacks in the competition
Herbert/Garrick/Field/Dufty - young juniors to be brought through
Milne - our best right centre option
Mann - proven on the left wing and has played left centre for the Storm
Macdonald - playing very well and has had a good combination with Milne in the past.
Bird - a real talent and so versatile and dynamic.
Hunt - our long term halfback who is playing great this year.

A great backline with youth and experience, speed and elusiveness. This backline would rival any in the competition. Our spine would take up approximately one third of our cap; a good and balanced figure.

Why are the Dragons reluctant to do this, because Millward has a list of names on his whiteboard who's salary fits within the cap. He does not want to upset this equation.

 

[possm]

Correct me if im wrong... but I remember an article last year or the year before... where Dugan himself was quoted as saying he would like to play in the centres on a permanent basis.
Now he is saying he wants to play centres/wing in rep teams but wants to be FB for his NRL team.
Anyone else recall this topic last year or the year before?
I really hope he stays... i rate him highly, but not highly enough to pay absurd money for.
I think our offer, 750k for 3 years, is a good one.

Yes I remember. A lot less work at centre and better longevity at NRL level.

His manager has rightly advised him to be quiet about his ambitions to play centre until after he is signed as a fullback and on the big dollars.

 

[TomRedVRiver]

If Dugan does not want to be a centre, let him go.
If we let Dugan, Widdop, Lafai, Nightingale and some of the fringe backs go. A saving of about 2m dollars. We should have enough salary cap to sign:

Bird 900k - and we have so many options in the backline. Dufty and Field can be brought into first grade at either fullback or five-eighth. Both of these youngsters are signed long term and so do not need to be rushed.

Tedesco 1m - and we have a dynamic ball playing fullback.

With a new coach our backline could be a GF winner in 2018:

Tedesco - one of the best fullbacks in the competition
Herbert/Garrick/Field/Dufty - young juniors to be brought through
Milne - our best right centre option
Mann - proven on the left wing and has played left centre for the Storm
Macdonald - playing very well and has had a good combination with Milne in the past.
Bird - a real talent and so versatile and dynamic.
Hunt - our long term halfback who is playing great this year.

A great backline with youth and experience, speed and elusiveness. This backline would rival any in the competition. Our spine would take up approximately one third of our cap; a good and balanced figure.

Why are the Dragons reluctant to do this, because Millward has a list of names on his whiteboard who's salary fits within the cap. He does not want to upset this equation.

The sad thing is that this could actually be possible if we went hard enough. If Dugan wants to play fullback then he needs to go, there's no two ways about it. I know a lot of people have said good luck trying to lure Tedesco away from the Tigers, but if there's $1m a season in it for him he would be crazy not to at least consider it.
that backline makes me salivate.

Gasnier was right a few weeks ago. The Dragons need to heavily invest in their spine. Look at teams like Melbourne, Canberra, Titans and the Broncos. It's those players that win you competitions.

1. Tedesco
6. Bird
7. Hunt
9. Mcinnes/Robson.
Arguably the best spine in the comp there.

 

[BrissyRedV]

I can't see any other club offering more as most big clubs have an established FB on books already or won't pay $$$ he wants

All the more reason for the club to stick to their original offer. Dugan is only worth what a club is willing to pay. Paying overs has implications that could hurt us in the long run once players like Field, Dufty, Herbert etc. establish themselves.

 

[BrissyRedV]

1. Tedesco
6. Bird
7. Hunt
9. Mcinnes/Robson.
Arguably the best spine in the comp there.

That would be a dream spine. But a pipedream of a spine.

 

[Frank Facer]

If Dugan does not want to be a centre, let him go.
If we let Dugan, Widdop, Lafai, Nightingale and some of the fringe backs go. A saving of about 2m dollars. We should have enough salary cap to sign:

Bird 900k - and we have so many options in the backline. Dufty and Field can be brought into first grade at either fullback or five-eighth. Both of these youngsters are signed long term and so do not need to be rushed.

Tedesco 1m - and we have a dynamic ball playing fullback.

With a new coach our backline could be a GF winner in 2018:

Tedesco - one of the best fullbacks in the competition
Herbert/Garrick/Field/Dufty - young juniors to be brought through
Milne - our best right centre option
Mann - proven on the left wing and has played left centre for the Storm
Macdonald - playing very well and has had a good combination with Milne in the past.
Bird - a real talent and so versatile and dynamic.
Hunt - our long term halfback who is playing great this year.

A great backline with youth and experience, speed and elusiveness. This backline would rival any in the competition. Our spine would take up approximately one third of our cap; a good and balanced figure.

Why are the Dragons reluctant to do this, because Millward has a list of names on his whiteboard who's salary fits within the cap. He does not want to upset this equation.

I like your thinking. I am not to sure about Mann at centre though. I would be looking for another good centre. Joey Leilua would be good.

I would rather us keep Milne for $400K a season over Dugan for $750K a season. I think Milne is the best centre prospect that we have had since Mark Gasnier. I can not believe that Mary has picked both Lafai and Aikten ahead of Milne.

 

[Dragon Revival]

Vinnie I am not anti-Dugan but believe that Dufty, Field and Mann need to be in the team as they are prolific tryscorers like Brett Morris (who we stupidly let go a year early because Doust stuffed up the salary cap) and who scored two tries for the Bulldogs last night and won them the game.

 

[Frank Facer]

The sad thing is that this could actually be possible if we went hard enough. If Dugan wants to play fullback then he needs to go, there's no two ways about it. I know a lot of people have said good luck trying to lure Tedesco away from the Tigers, but if there's $1m a season in it for him he would be crazy not to at least consider it.
that backline makes me salivate.

Gasnier was right a few weeks ago. The Dragons need to heavily invest in their spine. Look at teams like Melbourne, Canberra, Titans and the Broncos. It's those players that win you competitions.

1. Tedesco
6. Bird
7. Hunt
9. Mcinnes/Robson.
Arguably the best spine in the comp there.

Yes Yes Yes, we could build a team around that spine. We could be a regular genuine premiership contender with Teddy, Bird, Hunt and McInnis/Robson.

I agree 100% with Gasnier too.

 

[The Doc]

To compare Duftys try scoring rate and try assist rate to dugans is not right.
These stats are based on playing against boys.
Im not bagging Dufty, but the kid hasnt played first grade yet.
We seem quick to point out Dugans lack of ability to offload...
But what about his kick returns? Hoe often does his kick returns get us out of trouble?
He has alot of positives to his game also.
Im pretty sure dufty, unless its a broken line on a kick chase, will not make half the kick return metres that dugan makes.
But at the other end of the field he will chime in to backline moves better then Dugan.
Lets hope we get to see a glimpse of what he can offer before its too late.
Best way to rate the two is to see them both play.
We'v e seen dugan play in first grade... lets rate Dufty when we see him play against men.

 

[BennyV]

Dugan scores about two tries per season and Dufty a try every second game. I know who I would prefer to have. Dugan has got worse every year.
Mc Gregor is a goose who plays Dufty, Field and Mann in the Nines and then
ignores them for slow plodders who he is scared to demote.

Lol@comparing tries in U20s with tries in NRL, let alone those scored under McGregor!

 

[blacksafake]

Not saying he's confident. But we signed him as an established FB. He can ALSO play centre. Why punish his skill set because we may have a few juniors coming through? R they proven at NRL level? Whats the rush. He can move to centre, but God forbid we have an injury at FB, then what ? The NSW and Aussie selectors seem to rate him. BOTH at FB and centre. As he has played both.

The voice of reason.

 

[Vinnie]

Vinnie I am not anti-Dugan but believe that Dufty, Field and Mann need to be in the team as they are prolific tryscorers like Brett Morris (who we stupidly let go a year early because Doust stuffed up the salary cap) and who scored two tries for the Bulldogs last night and won them the game.

I agree .. buts let be realistic ... Tedesco aint coming, nor Bird at this stage stop forget the dreaming lets work with what we know we have ok ....
Dufty should and would be in my team i agree but he's long term and can be blooded even via wing even alternating with Dugan to be able to slot straight in at Origin time or in case of injury.
Field would be my 5/8 no point letting him play FB just to blood him for 5/8 as everyone is saying, imagine Hunt's leadership, organisational skills together with Fields speed and unpredictability !!! Wow. Bird and Hunt guys are similar players..... too similar and i will repeat i rate Field more and believe he will surpass and be better than bird .... and wont cost us 900k and loss of numerous players yet !!!
Mann should be in the centres with Milne ... they are the best 2 we have so wheres the problem.
Lets remember when Dugan was playing behind a solid team in Canberra he was the leading F/B in the comp ... there was no better.

1. Dugan
2. McDonald
3. Mann
4. Milne
5. Dufty / Field (if Widdop stays) then Aitken / Herbet / Garrick - plenty of depth for injuries and Origin time
6. Field / Widdop whichever, whatever
7. Hunt
9.Mcinnes

Thats not good ??? not rated ??? please there is enourmous possibilty there and we already have it it's ours don't need to spend millions just minor upgrades ... For f**ks sake lets utilise it build it prepare it and unleash it !!!!